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the trashing of Elvis continues by u. but u get upset if McCartney or the stones get trashed. who are u a bigger fan of? his last years have nothing to do with it, last albums, etc. none of it. those things still existed when Elvis was red hot but dead. people need to face it that promoting Elvis to young people will just not be easy. Young kids will not care about black and white footage of the ed Sullivan show. its alien to them. so cross off the 50's Elvis. after that the music that Elvis made would not appeal to the "rebellious youth". elvis grew up musically and stopped being rebel. Elvis is starting to be too old or far away to young people. it happens. and not many old acts sell lots of music anymore. not just a Elvis problem.




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not to mention that as other famous music stars die.... Most Notably Prince and David Bowie ,they may just naturally take Elvis' place just due to age. after he died Prince sold more music than anyone living or dead in 2016.




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r&b wrote:
brian wrote:Good point. That could help somewhat if a really good biopic was made.
Maybe but Cash went out with a string of highly acclaimed albums produced by a very well respected rock producer. He died soon after. Elvis went out playing Vegas, a parody of himself in awful jumpsuits with messy shows, and less than stellar albums that really added nothing great to his legacy. The bio would really have to concentrate on his productive years and less on the later ones.
I don't think that matters. The Millenials don't know much about Elvis anyway and a good movie made about him that gets a major theatrical release could bring him back into the news. It would introduce people to him that don't know much about him. The Johnny Cash movie and The Ray Charles movie only depicted about ten to fifteen years worth of their lives. Both Ray Charles and Cash got a little bit of a bounce from those films. If it's good I could see it doing the same for Elvis but being good is the key.




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You make some good points DEH.




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DEH wrote:the trashing of Elvis continues by u. but u get upset if McCartney or the stones get trashed. who are u a bigger fan of? his last years have nothing to do with it, last albums, etc. none of it. those things still existed when Elvis was red hot but dead. people need to face it that promoting Elvis to young people will just not be easy. Young kids will not care about black and white footage of the ed Sullivan show. its alien to them. so cross off the 50's Elvis. after that the music that Elvis made would not appeal to the "rebellious youth". elvis grew up musically and stopped being rebel. Elvis is starting to be too old or far away to young people. it happens. and not many old acts sell lots of music anymore. not just a Elvis problem.
Elvis. But you also continually throw McCartney under the bus. Now its Jagger . The only thing I can think of is jealousy. Jealously that their groups eclipsed Elvis in the 60's (they really did u know) and continue to be more revered than Elvis to this day by many people. Paul has def lost it, I admit, and I probably wouldnt want to see him in concert if I had to pay. Same with Jagger. But these men are in their mid-70s for goodness sake! Give them some credit for longevity at least and still treating their die hard fans to concerts that last more than an hour and are representative of their careers. Elvis lost it long before that age, and it was his own doing mostly with an assist from his manager and inner circle. I can say this as a fan and not be guilty or ashamed, because its true. I heard a few of those FTD soundboards, I saw EIC. I also dont agree he grew with his music either unless you want to tout the many boring country covers and MOR Vegas tunes he did as growing up musically. Its musically unappealing for the most part and very repetative.



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https://www.theguardian.com/music/shortcuts/2017/may/07/elvis-presley-memorabilia-plummeting-in-price

Two anti-Elvis rants in less than 10 days.

What odds a third? "Rip it Up: Elvis replica jumpsuit prices plummeting".

Ah, the internet.




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Indeed.

I guess members of this website are now writing for the Guardian!




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r&b wrote:Elvis. But you also continually throw McCartney under the bus. Now its Jagger . The only thing I can think of is jealousy. Jealously that their groups eclipsed Elvis in the 60's (they really did u know)
I don't think he was doing that. He was just saying Jagger is old and doesn't and can't appeal to younger people. Saying it happens to everyone including Elvis. If he does put Jagger down in the future so what. I don't like Jagger either.




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I wouldn't wipe my bum with the guardian. Stuffy sniffy 'aren't-i-so-clever-and-cool' lentil-chomping tree-hugging tripe. Written by, and for,wet namby-pamby big girl's blouses.



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sundial77 wrote:I wouldn't wipe my bum with the guardian. Stuffy sniffy 'aren't-i-so-clever-and-cool' lentil-chomping tree-hugging tripe. Written by, and for,wet namby-pamby big girl's blouses.
Hahaha, your comment made me remember two things - the other one being my all-time favorite comedy show, Bottom, since the word "blouse" was mentioned a lot, especially when the characters were nervous

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And then this scene - who reads the papers

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As for why Elvis's popularity is "plummenting" - a term I don't agree with, as it's not plummeting but just fading away which is just natural with a singer who is not releasing new stuff, especially difficult with Elvis since he's dead. The same can be said about this guy, since he hasn't released anything new since the 19th century (the b'stard!), and yet ..."One eyewitness recalled that ‘on one occasion a woman snatched up a half-smoked cigar that Liszt had cast aside and in spite of repeatedly retching she continued to smoke it with feigned delight’. Baronesses and countesses tore at each other’s hair in trying to lay hands on a glass or handkerchief that Liszt had used.”" Don't get me wrong, neither will ever be footnotes in the history of music.

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But ask anyone who Franz Liszt was and few will know without searching the internet. Sadly the same will happen with Elvis - eventually.


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r&b wrote:
DEH wrote:the trashing of Elvis continues by u. but u get upset if McCartney or the stones get trashed. who are u a bigger fan of? his last years have nothing to do with it, last albums, etc. none of it. those things still existed when Elvis was red hot but dead. people need to face it that promoting Elvis to young people will just not be easy. Young kids will not care about black and white footage of the ed Sullivan show. its alien to them. so cross off the 50's Elvis. after that the music that Elvis made would not appeal to the "rebellious youth". elvis grew up musically and stopped being rebel. Elvis is starting to be too old or far away to young people. it happens. and not many old acts sell lots of music anymore. not just a Elvis problem.
Elvis. But you also continually throw McCartney under the bus. Now its Jagger . The only thing I can think of is jealousy. Jealously that their groups eclipsed Elvis in the 60's (they really did u know) and continue to be more revered than Elvis to this day by many people. Paul has def lost it, I admit, and I probably wouldnt want to see him in concert if I had to pay. Same with Jagger. But these men are in their mid-70s for goodness sake! Give them some credit for longevity at least and still treating their die hard fans to concerts that last more than an hour and are representative of their careers. Elvis lost it long before that age, and it was his own doing mostly with an assist from his manager and inner circle. I can say this as a fan and not be guilty or ashamed, because its true. I heard a few of those FTD soundboards, I saw EIC. I also dont agree he grew with his music either unless you want to tout the many boring country covers and MOR Vegas tunes he did as growing up musically. Its musically unappealing for the most part and very repetative.
There is much here one can say yes to, but this is the puzzle about Elvis, for most of his career he was passé and yet many many years after, right to now he outsells almost all those you might say are more revered and those who were part of the trend during those times. I think that's actually more remarkable then anything else.



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When the Austin Powers movies were popular I thought I would be awesome to have Elvis appear in them using scenes from his (mostly later) 60's films. The scenes could appear as if Austin is frustrated or appearing to make fun of Elvis, but then Elvis really gets the last laugh. I may try to contact Mike Myers, he's probably easier to get ahold of these days.


An "Elvis Trilogy" could work if an awesome director with a creative but firm vision took the helm.

"Elvis" from age 9 or so until entering the Army, with the focus on his style, swagger and the effect he had on culture from 54-56.

"Elvis II: Elvis is Back" 1960-'68 Comeback. Ends on a high note.

"Elvis III: From Vegas to Memphis" post-Comeback, ending with the 1974 Memphis concert, but possibly opening with The Jungle Room Sessions. Shows the highs of the Vegas return, MSG and Aloha concerts occurring as his personal world crumbles.




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FatherJack1980 wrote:But ask anyone who Franz Liszt was and few will know without searching the internet. Sadly the same will happen with Elvis - eventually.
Do you think he would make the top ten Classical composer Liszt?



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I have a feeling that when young people see the ETA's they assume that Elvis looked and sounded like them,,,in other words they assume he sucks and looks like a clown,,,THAT is the damage ETA's have on his image..


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joshferrell wrote:I have a feeling that when young people see the ETA's they assume that Elvis looked and sounded like them,,,in other words they assume he sucks and looks like a clown,,,THAT is the damage ETA's have on his image..
I don't buy that completely. Unless they are so stupid (or live in a cave) to think Elvis was really like many of these ugly-ass no talent clowns.



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Juan Luis wrote:
joshferrell wrote:I have a feeling that when young people see the ETA's they assume that Elvis looked and sounded like them,,,in other words they assume he sucks and looks like a clown,,,THAT is the damage ETA's have on his image..
I don't buy that completely. Unless they are so stupid (or live in a cave) to think Elvis was really like many of these ugly-ass no talent clowns.
Maybe but if there isn't anyone to introduce him to them (properly) they may not know,,,,and places like Facebook don't help the matter at all,,, after all there are SO MANY fake photos of him being passed on as if they are him, some are actual ETAs and they have his name on them, while others have ETAs faces actually pasted unto his face and people from the actual sites will superimpose themselves into his photos as if they are posing with him, and in some cases they are posing with an ETA and they actually say it's Elvis , and then there are songs like "One pair of hands" and "Living to Love You" which are OBVIOUSLY NOT ELVIS are actually being passed onto facebook as if they are really him singing, and these songs are being passed on actual fan sites and by so called "fans" (who should know if its him or not but for some reason they either don't or they do but want to act like they are him as if he is still recording these songs in some fantasy land somewhere)..so these things alone that I just mentioned above are not good for his image and give false representation of him..


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BobDylan wrote:I've never understood why EPE and Gatorade didn't get together to feature Elvis in their adds. There are certainly enough photos of him holding a Gatorade bottle and they could even use concert tapes where he talks about drinking it: "It's supposed work twice as fast as water!"

Something along the lines of, "If it's good enough for the King," or "Even the King drank Gatorade." Something like that.

EPE could get a lot of publicity and Gatorade could reach markets other than sports. Food for thought as a friend of mine says!

Jockey - the innerwear specialist have a split second clip of Elvis in his Gold Jacket in the '50's: in their " American Originals" ad currently running through Asia from Hong Kong to India,and the Mid East. Sadly, the glimpse is so fast - I even wonder if they have EPE approval.



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brian wrote:Jagger is old and doesn't and can't appeal to younger people.
Not strictly true. His current girlfriend is 28. She seems to like him. :lol:



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DEH wrote:if its happening its just due to age. Elvis is going back further and further into the past. it will happen to other acts eventually. But Graceland is still doing great business. Elvis has always gone into periods where he is considered uncool even when he was alive.lol don't worry about it. everything will be ok.
Graceland is doing well simply because of the historical context of Elvis, a bit like people go to other places of interest, but many of these people are not going because of Elvis' music etc. Once these people have satisfied their curiosity of what Gra eland looks like and how Elvis lived etc, they probably move on to the next place of interest. There are so many things wrong with the way Elvis has been marketed in recent years, and one of the really big problems are these awful impersonators who the media will latch on to.


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skatterbrane wrote:
FatherJack1980 wrote:But ask anyone who Franz Liszt was and few will know without searching the internet. Sadly the same will happen with Elvis - eventually.
Do you think he would make the top ten Classical composer Liszt?
Number 8:

http://listverse.com/2009/12/17/top-15-greatest-composers-of-all-time/

My point was, that neither person will never have the following they once had. Same goes for all dead celebrities


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joshferrell wrote:I have a feeling that when young people see the ETA's they assume that Elvis looked and sounded like them,,,in other words they assume he sucks and looks like a clown,,,THAT is the damage ETA's have on his image..
Agreed :smt023

They become the "topic of conversation" not Elvis...

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EPA4368 wrote:
joshferrell wrote:I have a feeling that when young people see the ETA's they assume that Elvis looked and sounded like them,,,in other words they assume he sucks and looks like a clown,,,THAT is the damage ETA's have on his image..
Agreed :smt023

They become the "topic of conversation" not Elvis...

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Absolutely spot on. The trouble is, these idiots do not realise the damage they are doing to Elvis' legacy.


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emjel wrote:
EPA4368 wrote:
joshferrell wrote:I have a feeling that when young people see the ETA's they assume that Elvis looked and sounded like them,,,in other words they assume he sucks and looks like a clown,,,THAT is the damage ETA's have on his image..
Agreed :smt023

They become the "topic of conversation" not Elvis...

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Absolutely spot on. The trouble is, these idiots do not realise the damage they are doing to Elvis' legacy.
The ETAs are the most damaging aspect of the Elvis image as it exists today. They appear in movies, TV shows, TV commercials, and local bars. Its what many people think of when they think of Elvis. Perhaps if there were none, Elvis would be perceived a little more seriously as a musical talent, because these guys mostly have zero talent. Its why I have such little regard for the majority of the 70's period in Elvis' career. Beyond the mediocre and hodge-podge albums that came out, it launched the careers of these bozos. Again, the HBO doc better be good. It may not translate into sales, but respect a this point is just as important. I dont think the RPO albums did much in that regard either.




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FatherJack1980 wrote:
sundial77 wrote:I wouldn't wipe my bum with the guardian. Stuffy sniffy 'aren't-i-so-clever-and-cool' lentil-chomping tree-hugging tripe. Written by, and for,wet namby-pamby big girl's blouses.
Hahaha, your comment made me remember two things - the other one being my all-time favorite comedy show, Bottom, since the word "blouse" was mentioned a lot, especially when the characters were nervous

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And then this scene - who reads the papers

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As for why Elvis's popularity is "plummenting" - a term I don't agree with, as it's not plummeting but just fading away which is just natural with a singer who is not releasing new stuff, especially difficult with Elvis since he's dead. The same can be said about this guy, since he hasn't released anything new since the 19th century (the b'stard!), and yet ..."One eyewitness recalled that ‘on one occasion a woman snatched up a half-smoked cigar that Liszt had cast aside and in spite of repeatedly retching she continued to smoke it with feigned delight’. Baronesses and countesses tore at each other’s hair in trying to lay hands on a glass or handkerchief that Liszt had used.”" Don't get me wrong, neither will ever be footnotes in the history of music.

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But ask anyone who Franz Liszt was and few will know without searching the internet. Sadly the same will happen with Elvis - eventually.
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If Elvis popularity is plummeting why is the author writing on article on Elvis. mmmmmmm is it because his name still sells.

It makes one think.

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