GibbersGanfa wrote:I have never said that "every" or ANY fan "should" support any one release. I think that's an absurd concept - if you don't like something, don't support it. But at the same time, if and when it resonates with a large audience and becomes a success, simply writing off its success because you don't like it while feigning objectivity makes you less credible.
A good critic can admit that something might not for them and recognize a success in spite of their dislike of it, a poor critic pretends they are an all-knowing authority and acts like everyone else just doesn't get that their opinion is the only correct position.
...and the Gibber nails it yet again...why can`t a few here just admit defeat and move on ...it makes you a better person all around!!
No, not admitting defeat, because it isn't a competitive thing. There are no winners or losers in being an Elvis fan. Viva Elvis was a project that I supported a lot but I recognize that it was a failure, despite my appreciation for what it tried to do. Doesn't make me a loser for liking it in spite of its failure, nor are PMP or midnightx or anyone else a "loser" or "defeated" for disliking the RPO release in spite of its success... but at least I can acknowledge it for what it was without snarky backhanded comments, acting like I knew better and everyone else didn't get it, because that's just not true. But I get it, some people just like to argue and think they're right.
FYI...I was totally agreeing with your comments...the "defeat" word was used for fun only...my simple point is this;
with some on here you can discuss with words and facts until your blue in the face...rarely can you get through because they don`t want you to get through...how many times have you heard these words;
"I can see your point GibbersGanfa...that makes sense"
So wide of the mark, factually incorrect, and full of misinformation, it wasn't even worth the 30 seconds it took to read it.
Hasn't moved 10,000 copies?! Just for openers, Way Down... has sold 7000+ in the US and 3000+ in the UK alone, has gone top 10 in Australia, and has impacted a number of charts across Europe. But don't let that stop you waffling on with the usual negativity! You must be absolutely gutted to see another Elvis release exceed what many anticipated.... no doubt including Sony themselves, so spare us your "industry expert" bluffology.
Oh, so it is 10,000-15,000 sold. Huge numbers indeed. And 3,000 sold in the UK on the heels of the million selling first volume of RPO; it certainly has been a gateway for music fans to discover Elvis' body of work - they are certainly lining up to grab "Way Down..." after discovering the joy of Elvis via the RPO release.
So wide of the mark, factually incorrect, and full of misinformation, it wasn't even worth the 30 seconds it took to read it.
Hasn't moved 10,000 copies?! Just for openers, Way Down... has sold 7000+ in the US and 3000+ in the UK alone, has gone top 10 in Australia, and has impacted a number of charts across Europe. But don't let that stop you waffling on with the usual negativity! You must be absolutely gutted to see another Elvis release exceed what many anticipated.... no doubt including Sony themselves, so spare us your "industry expert" bluffology.
Oh, so it is 10,000-15,000 sold. Huge numbers indeed. And 3,000 sold in the UK on the heels of the million selling first volume of RPO; it certainly has been a gateway for music fans to discover Elvis' body of work - they are certainly lining up to grab "Way Down..." after discovering the joy of Elvis via the RPO release.
...since it`s release on Aug. 5 (12 days now for those unsure about these things ) and taking in account it`s 2016 and the artist has been long gone...the numbers clearly illustrate that it has done even better than the previous ELVIS TODAY...does the fact that the release in between probably has helped in a small way with it`s current sales?? YES...if your unsure what that release was...here`s a clue;
Well, if a million people buy Elvis with the RPO, and 15,000 buy Way Down, why not release another RPO record? It seems to be what the people want, right?
Arvis Paisley wrote:Well, if a million people buy Elvis with the RPO, and 15,000 buy Way Down, why not release another RPO record? It seems to be what the people want, right?
Howzabout 'Way Down with the RPO'? All the jungle room session tracks with brand new orchestral arrangements courtesy of the RPO. It's a sure-fire winner! You heard it here first!!
Well, Good evenin', don't that sun look good goin' down...
Arvis Paisley wrote:Well, if a million people buy Elvis with the RPO, and 15,000 buy Way Down, why not release another RPO record? It seems to be what the people want, right?
Howzabout 'Way Down with the RPO'? All the jungle room session tracks with brand new orchestral arrangements courtesy of the RPO. It's a sure-fire winner! You heard it here first!!
...they would line up for that like it`s fish 'n' chips and cups of tea!!
Arvis Paisley wrote:Well, if a million people buy Elvis with the RPO, and 15,000 buy Way Down, why not release another RPO record? It seems to be what the people want, right?
Howzabout 'Way Down with the RPO'? All the jungle room session tracks with brand new orchestral arrangements courtesy of the RPO. It's a sure-fire winner! You heard it here first!!
...they would line up for that like it`s fish 'n' chips and cups of tea!!
Stop it, you're makin' me hungry...
Well, Good evenin', don't that sun look good goin' down...
sweetangeline wrote:
...since it`s release on Aug. 5 (12 days now for those unsure about these things ) and taking in account it`s 2016 and the artist has been long gone...the numbers clearly illustrate that it has done even better than the previous ELVIS TODAY...does the fact that the release in between probably has helped in a small way with it`s current sales?? YES...
No. This release has two hit singles on it (one of them the title track), whereas the Today album didn't contain any. Meanwhile, the packaging is considerably more striking than the Today release, there have been multiple reviews from various prominent sources, and the Jungle Room is famous/infamous and that's without the morbid curiosity of it being Elvis's last session. It's hardly surprising it sold better.
So wide of the mark, factually incorrect, and full of misinformation, it wasn't even worth the 30 seconds it took to read it.
Hasn't moved 10,000 copies?! Just for openers, Way Down... has sold 7000+ in the US and 3000+ in the UK alone, has gone top 10 in Australia, and has impacted a number of charts across Europe. But don't let that stop you waffling on with the usual negativity! You must be absolutely gutted to see another Elvis release exceed what many anticipated.... no doubt including Sony themselves, so spare us your "industry expert" bluffology.
Oh, so it is 10,000-15,000 sold. Huge numbers indeed. And 3,000 sold in the UK on the heels of the million selling first volume of RPO; it certainly has been a gateway for music fans to discover Elvis' body of work - they are certainly lining up to grab "Way Down..." after discovering the joy of Elvis via the RPO release.
Way Down is the first Legacy release to hit the top 40 in the UK, let alone top 20. Coincidence ?
They have been charting 65-75. I assume it's the same in Aus?
"If you're looking fortrouble_jw......you came to the right place"
So wide of the mark, factually incorrect, and full of misinformation, it wasn't even worth the 30 seconds it took to read it.
Hasn't moved 10,000 copies?! Just for openers, Way Down... has sold 7000+ in the US and 3000+ in the UK alone, has gone top 10 in Australia, and has impacted a number of charts across Europe. But don't let that stop you waffling on with the usual negativity! You must be absolutely gutted to see another Elvis release exceed what many anticipated.... no doubt including Sony themselves, so spare us your "industry expert" bluffology.
Oh, so it is 10,000-15,000 sold. Huge numbers indeed. And 3,000 sold in the UK on the heels of the million selling first volume of RPO; it certainly has been a gateway for music fans to discover Elvis' body of work - they are certainly lining up to grab "Way Down..." after discovering the joy of Elvis via the RPO release.
Way Down is the first Legacy release to hit the top 40 in the UK, let alone top 20. Coincidence ?
They have been charting 65-75. I assume it's the same in Aus?
The REAL problem this guy has with Way Down... is that it was recorded in 1976! And the much-better-than-anticipated first week performance (alongside a host of generally very positive reviews calling into question the nonsense that Elvis was a washed-up has-been by 1976) knocks his oft-repeated derision on that year clean outta the park. And there you have it. Too bad about him.
By the way, his typically snide quote about the RPO album being "a gateway for music fans to discover Elvis' body of work" completely ignores the fact that Way Down isn't the only Presley release which is currently available for purchase by "new" fans. Clearly he's hurting a lot But that wont stop him desperately clutching at straws. So much for being an "industry expert" then. Pfft.
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sweetangeline wrote:
...since it`s release on Aug. 5 (12 days now for those unsure about these things ) and taking in account it`s 2016 and the artist has been long gone...the numbers clearly illustrate that it has done even better than the previous ELVIS TODAY...does the fact that the release in between probably has helped in a small way with it`s current sales?? YES...
No. This release has two hit singles on it (one of them the title track), whereas the Today album didn't contain any. Meanwhile, the packaging is considerably more striking than the Today release, there have been multiple reviews from various prominent sources, and the Jungle Room is famous/infamous and that's without the morbid curiosity of it being Elvis's last session. It's hardly surprising it sold better.
...YES all good points indeed plus that fact that the RPO success came before and it`s helped...in a small way as I said!! Is it really that difficult to admit that it has probably helped?? As I clearly admit that your key points have also played a part..C`mon it`s not rocket science
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Hard Rocker wrote:So much for being an "industry expert" then
I`ll put Ernst in that class and I`m sure he and many other Sony reps are extremely happy with the WAY DOWN results in 12 days...but on a more serious note...do you think we may be reading this in the headlines soon??
"SONY Legacy to discontinue all future Presley releases...due to low sales...Elvis has officially left the building"
sweetangeline wrote:
...since it`s release on Aug. 5 (12 days now for those unsure about these things ) and taking in account it`s 2016 and the artist has been long gone...the numbers clearly illustrate that it has done even better than the previous ELVIS TODAY...does the fact that the release in between probably has helped in a small way with it`s current sales?? YES...
No. This release has two hit singles on it (one of them the title track), whereas the Today album didn't contain any. Meanwhile, the packaging is considerably more striking than the Today release, there have been multiple reviews from various prominent sources, and the Jungle Room is famous/infamous and that's without the morbid curiosity of it being Elvis's last session. It's hardly surprising it sold better.
...YES all good points indeed plus that fact that the RPO success came before and it`s helped...in a small way as I said!! Is it really that difficult to admit that it has probably helped?? As I clearly admit that your key points have also played a part..C`mon it`s not rocket science
Yes, it is that difficult - and the graphs from a couple of pages ago only prove that. People buying the RPO project last year did not have to wait until August of this year to buy another Elvis product - there is plenty out there already.
Was there a sustained increase in the purchase of Elvis CDs since RPO? No.
Was there a sustained increase in Elvis being listened to on Spotify? No.
Was there a sustained increase in the general term "Elvis Presley" being used in search engines? No.
Was there a sustained increase in Elvis being watched on Youtube? No.
There's your answer as to the wonders of the RPO release in creating new fans eager to buy and listen to Elvis music!
Hard Rocker wrote:So much for being an "industry expert" then
I`ll put Ernst in that class and I`m sure he and many other Sony reps are extremely happy with the WAY DOWN results in 12 days...but on a more serious note...do you think we may be reading this in the headlines soon??
"SONY Legacy to discontinue all future Presley releases...due to low sales...Elvis has officially left the building"
Not in this lifetime. Not a snowball's chance in Hell.
Hard Rocker wrote:Not in this lifetime. Not a snowball's chance in Hell.
...that isn't the U.S male talking son...it`s the industry experts
On the contrary, but to make the suggestion that Way Down in the Jungle Room is benefitting from the RPO album is nonsense. There is absolutely no proof of that at all. As has been stated, it contains two hits, and there has always been a fondness for the Moody Blue album, especially in the UK. What's more, songs such as Danny Boy and Solitaire are universally known as well. On the face of it, it has much more going for it than something like Today which, for the most part, contains songs only known to country music fans and no hits at all. The fact it has sold better given the track listing and the packaging is hardly a surprise.
Hard Rocker wrote:Not in this lifetime. Not a snowball's chance in Hell.
...that isn't the U.S male talking son...it`s the industry experts
On the contrary, but to make the suggestion that Way Down in the Jungle Room is benefitting from the RPO album is nonsense. There is absolutely no proof of that at all. As has been stated, it contains two hits, and there has always been a fondness for the Moody Blue album, especially in the UK. What's more, songs such as Danny Boy and Solitaire are universally known as well. On the face of it, it has much more going for it than something like Today which, for the most part, contains songs only known to country music fans and no hits at all. The fact it has sold better given the track listing and the packaging is hardly a surprise.
HMV STORE...Wednesday August 17...approximately 2pm:
a man and woman are standing in line waiting to pay for there products...poormadpeter2 is third in line waiting patiently;
MAN: Oh I see you have the new Presley release?
WOMAN: Yes I bought the IF I CAN DREAM release late last year and just loved it...so I thought I would see what this is like!!
MAN: I hear it`s rather good...may end up buying it myself.
poormadpeter2: your all freakin` liars this is driving me batty...I`m outa here!!
you do realize it only takes one purchase to prove your theory above wrong
...it makes you a better person all around!!
But that wont stop him desperately clutching at straws. So much for being an "industry expert" then. Pfft.