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Elvis and Johnny Carson...

Wed Oct 16, 2013 9:12 pm

I was just skimming through a Johnny Carson biography by one of his friends. And he tells a story of meeting Elvis. Johnny arranged for him to have seats for Elvis' show. Johnny was performing in Vegas at the same time Elvis was. Then the next day Johnny asked him if he wanted to meet Elvis because Elvis was going to be attending Johnny's show and would be coming backstage afterwards. of course he said Yes. Elvis visited Johnny after the show. Elvis was wearing a cape according to him and Johnny made some good natured joke about the cape and they hung out for a bit.

If this guy is telling the truth about the cape then Elvis met Johnny more than once. Because the photo we have seen of the two looks to be either 69 or early 1970 and he was not into the capes yet. either that or this guy is just doing the whole elvis stereotype (dresses in white wearing a cape) and he is really talking about the meeting where that picture comes from.

anyway to find out when Elvis and Johnny were performing in Vegas at the same time? or close together?

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Wed Oct 16, 2013 9:24 pm

I looked online and Johnny would always perform at the Sahara Hotel in the Congo room.

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Wed Oct 16, 2013 9:25 pm

DEH wrote:I was just skimming through a Johnny Carson biography by one of his friends. And he tells a story of meeting Elvis. Johnny arranged for him to have seats for Elvis' show. Johnny was performing in Vegas at the same time Elvis was. Then the next day Johnny asked him if he wanted to meet Elvis because Elvis was going to be attending Johnny's show and would be coming backstage afterwards. of course he said Yes. Elvis visited Johnny after the show. Elvis was wearing a cape according to him and Johnny made some good natured joke about the cape and they hung out for a bit.

If this guy is telling the truth about the cape then Elvis met Johnny more than once. Because the photo we have seen of the two looks to be either 69 or early 1970 and he was not into the capes yet. either that or this guy is just doing the whole elvis stereotype (dresses in white wearing a cape) and he is really talking about the meeting where that picture comes from.

anyway to find out when Elvis and Johnny were performing in Vegas at the same time? or close together?


In the photo we have, they met in 1969. I'd like to find out if they met again as well.

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Wed Oct 16, 2013 9:34 pm

Johhny played from 1967 to 1980 at the Sahara hotel and casino. I saw Johnny in Vegas so Elvis was probably playing at the same time. I don't remember the exact date. I did have a beautiful menu from Johnny's show, but can't seem to find it. I can't imagine where it is!! It would have the date of Johnny's engagement the year I saw him. I went to see Elvis in Vegas every year from 1971 to 1976, so it was obviously during that time frame that I saw Johnny. I'll see if I can find the menu from Johnny's show. Maybe the Sahara would have the exact dates?? BTW, Johnny was a real CLASS act.

Elvisly,

Linda

Re: Elvis and Johnny Carson...

Wed Oct 16, 2013 9:58 pm

I always liked The Johnny Carson Show, i miss watching his show late at night.

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GOOD ONE JOHNNY :wink:

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Re: Elvis and Johnny Carson...

Wed Oct 16, 2013 10:44 pm

It's not hard to imagine they met up numerous times in Vegas.

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Wed Oct 16, 2013 11:37 pm

But they never met up on the show. Some of the most powerful and famous people in the world did "walk-on"s. He maybe didn't even have to talk!

The audience would have gone completely bonkers, both in the studio, and out there in TVLand.

Ah, well.

rjm

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Thu Oct 17, 2013 12:01 am

That picture looks to be more from February 1970, certainly not from July and August 1969. The fact he's wearing a dark top, with the collar up and the bandana, makes it LOOK like it was taken in 1969, when he wore dark apparel the most, but his facial expression does not resemble those one sees in the 100,000 Elvis pictures available from that one month period in 1969.The guy in the picture, his eyes, look a tad less natural than they did in 1969, when he was in ultra top shape.

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Thu Oct 17, 2013 3:27 am

Jaime1234 wrote:That picture looks to be more from February 1970, certainly not from July and August 1969. The fact he's wearing a dark top, with the collar up and the bandana, makes it LOOK like it was taken in 1969, when he wore dark apparel the most, but his facial expression does not resemble those one sees in the 100,000 Elvis pictures available from that one month period in 1969.The guy in the picture, his eyes, look a tad less natural than they did in 1969, when he was in ultra top shape.


The colourized screenshot was taken backstage in August 1969.

As for the other question raised, Johnny Carson played the Sahara in Las Vegas virtually every summer, usually July-August, up to 1975, when he moved over to Caesar's Palace for a booking that February.

Given Elvis' becaped garb in 1971, the second visit (described above, in an unidentified book), probably happened circa August 1971.

Re: Elvis and Johnny Carson...

Thu Oct 17, 2013 3:49 am

Didn't Presley become enraged after Johnny referred to him as "fat and forty" on the Tonight Show?

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Thu Oct 17, 2013 4:06 am

monkboughtlunch wrote:Didn't Presley become enraged after Johnny referred to him as "fat and forty" on the Tonight Show?


The story I recall is, after such jokes were made circa January 1975, he never watched Carson again.

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Thu Oct 17, 2013 6:50 am

rjm wrote:But they never met up on the show. Some of the most powerful and famous people in the world did "walk-on"s. He maybe didn't even have to talk!

The audience would have gone completely bonkers, both in the studio, and out there in TVLand.

Ah, well.

rjm

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He was so quick-witted he would have killed it on The Tonight Show.

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Thu Oct 17, 2013 6:59 am

I'm a member of Johnny Carson's clip licensing program found on his official website. I've always wondered about the "fat and forty" remarks that Billy Smith (Revelations from the Memphis Mafia) and certain publications have alleged that Carson said about Elvis. So I searched Carson's clip licensing database using "Elvis" as a keyword. I would have to pay a considerable fee to purchase the videos, but I can supply a transcript of what was actually said on four separate Carson Tonight Show opening monologues between 1974 and 1976. As you will see, Carson never made such a remark on The Tonight Show, and the jokes are pretty innocuous...



From the January 8, 1974 Tonight Show Starring Johnny Carson monologue:
“How about some happy news? You know who’s celebrating their 39th birthday today? Elvis Presley. It’s hard to think of Elvis pushing 40 years old. But just to show he still has it, he blew out the candles on his cake today with his hips.”

From the January 8, 1975 monologue:
“Guess who celebrated their 40th birthday today?” Elvis Presley. He is now wearing orthopedic blue suede shoes (laughter). He looks very young, though, but I hear he got an orthopedic, I mean he got a surgical hip lift… he is only allowed to swivel now in the presence of a registered nurse. That’s what the nurse told me [laughter].”

From the January 22, 1975 monologue:
“Most people have trouble with inflation, paying the rent, trying to buy a new car. Did you read today what Elvis Presley is thinking of buying? You think you got trouble making the house payments? Elvis’ father was apparently up in New Jersey today, and he is considering buying his own 707. I don’t mean a little two wheels with propellers on it. I mean a 707 jet airliner. It has a sauna, a dance floor, a gymnasium, two bedrooms and two dining rooms. It’s like a house that flies…Elvis’ plane does have some problems, though. Every time the plane takes off, it pulls Elvis’ plug out of his guitar. He does have another problem. As you are landing, the stewardesses remind you to keep your seatbelt fastened until Elvis’ hips come to a complete stop.”

From the January 21, 1976 monologue:
“Well, let’s go to the news and see if Elvis Presley gave his parakeet a new Cadillac. Did you notice that? Presley’s giving everybody Cadillacs. You say hello and Elvis gives you a Cadillac.”

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Thu Oct 17, 2013 7:35 am

Thanks for the monologue quotes!


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Thu Oct 17, 2013 9:57 am

I went to Vegas with my parents in the second half of August in 1973. I can't remember the exact date but it was probably the last week of August. We saw Johnny Carson the first night we were there at the Sarah Congo room and we saw Elvis the next night. I wanted to see Johnny Carson, my Mom wanted to see Elvis. I couldn't have cared less to see Elvis but his show blew me away and I became an Elvis fan that night. Carson put on a great show. He worked quite blue in person!

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Thu Oct 17, 2013 2:18 pm

Thanks for the quotes

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Thu Oct 17, 2013 2:45 pm

Thank you very much for the transcripts. I don't know much about american humor, but some quotes are not very funny in my opinion. So Elvis, who was depressed after his divorce, had the right to be angry.

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Thu Oct 17, 2013 2:48 pm

jeremylr wrote:I'm a member of Johnny Carson's clip licensing program found on his official website. I've always wondered about the "fat and forty" remarks that Billy Smith (Revelations from the Memphis Mafia) and certain publications have alleged that Carson said about Elvis. So I searched Carson's clip licensing database using "Elvis" as a keyword. I would have to pay a considerable fee to purchase the videos, but I can supply a transcript of what was actually said on four separate Carson Tonight Show opening monologues between 1974 and 1976. As you will see, Carson never made such a remark on The Tonight Show, and the jokes are pretty innocuous...



From the January 8, 1974 Tonight Show Starring Johnny Carson monologue:
“How about some happy news? You know who’s celebrating their 39th birthday today? Elvis Presley. It’s hard to think of Elvis pushing 40 years old. But just to show he still has it, he blew out the candles on his cake today with his hips.”

From the January 8, 1975 monologue:
“Guess who celebrated their 40th birthday today?” Elvis Presley. He is now wearing orthopedic blue suede shoes (laughter). He looks very young, though, but I hear he got an orthopedic, I mean he got a surgical hip lift… he is only allowed to swivel now in the presence of a registered nurse. That’s what the nurse told me [laughter].”

From the January 22, 1975 monologue:
“Most people have trouble with inflation, paying the rent, trying to buy a new car. Did you read today what Elvis Presley is thinking of buying? You think you got trouble making the house payments? Elvis’ father was apparently up in New Jersey today, and he is considering buying his own 707. I don’t mean a little two wheels with propellers on it. I mean a 707 jet airliner. It has a sauna, a dance floor, a gymnasium, two bedrooms and two dining rooms. It’s like a house that flies…Elvis’ plane does have some problems, though. Every time the plane takes off, it pulls Elvis’ plug out of his guitar. He does have another problem. As you are landing, the stewardesses remind you to keep your seatbelt fastened until Elvis’ hips come to a complete stop.”

From the January 21, 1976 monologue:
“Well, let’s go to the news and see if Elvis Presley gave his parakeet a new Cadillac. Did you notice that? Presley’s giving everybody Cadillacs. You say hello and Elvis gives you a Cadillac.”


You mean there is false information in that book? :smt003

Re: Elvis and Johnny Carson...

Thu Oct 17, 2013 4:52 pm

jurasic1968 wrote:Thank you very much for the transcripts. I don't know much about american humor, but some quotes are not very funny in my opinion. So Elvis, who was depressed after his divorce, had the right to be angry.


Reading them, they are not very funny, but Carson had a way of delivering a joke that was great. I'm sure if you heard him say these quotes, they would be funny.

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Thu Oct 17, 2013 5:18 pm

rjm wrote:But they never met up on the show. Some of the most powerful and famous people in the world did "walk-on"s. He maybe didn't even have to talk!

The audience would have gone completely bonkers, both in the studio, and out there in TVLand.

Ah, well.

rjm

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In order to do a walk-on, Elvis would have been paid next to nothing. The Colonel just wouldn't put up with that.
Another blotch on the Colonels "missed oppurtunity" list.
Damn him!

Re: Elvis and Johnny Carson...

Thu Oct 17, 2013 7:25 pm

Elvis and Johnny were each represented by Attorney E. Gregory Hookstratten, although I believe the Carson affiliation started some years after Elvis passed.

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Thu Oct 17, 2013 7:31 pm

jeremylr wrote:I'm a member of Johnny Carson's clip licensing program found on his official website. I've always wondered about the "fat and forty" remarks that Billy Smith (Revelations from the Memphis Mafia) and certain publications have alleged that Carson said about Elvis. So I searched Carson's clip licensing database using "Elvis" as a keyword. I would have to pay a considerable fee to purchase the videos, but I can supply a transcript of what was actually said on four separate Carson Tonight Show opening monologues between 1974 and 1976. As you will see, Carson never made such a remark on The Tonight Show, and the jokes are pretty innocuous...



From the January 8, 1974 Tonight Show Starring Johnny Carson monologue:
“How about some happy news? You know who’s celebrating their 39th birthday today? Elvis Presley. It’s hard to think of Elvis pushing 40 years old. But just to show he still has it, he blew out the candles on his cake today with his hips.”

From the January 8, 1975 monologue:
“Guess who celebrated their 40th birthday today?” Elvis Presley. He is now wearing orthopedic blue suede shoes (laughter). He looks very young, though, but I hear he got an orthopedic, I mean he got a surgical hip lift… he is only allowed to swivel now in the presence of a registered nurse. That’s what the nurse told me [laughter].”

From the January 22, 1975 monologue:
“Most people have trouble with inflation, paying the rent, trying to buy a new car. Did you read today what Elvis Presley is thinking of buying? You think you got trouble making the house payments? Elvis’ father was apparently up in New Jersey today, and he is considering buying his own 707. I don’t mean a little two wheels with propellers on it. I mean a 707 jet airliner. It has a sauna, a dance floor, a gymnasium, two bedrooms and two dining rooms. It’s like a house that flies…Elvis’ plane does have some problems, though. Every time the plane takes off, it pulls Elvis’ plug out of his guitar. He does have another problem. As you are landing, the stewardesses remind you to keep your seatbelt fastened until Elvis’ hips come to a complete stop.”

From the January 21, 1976 monologue:
“Well, let’s go to the news and see if Elvis Presley gave his parakeet a new Cadillac. Did you notice that? Presley’s giving everybody Cadillacs. You say hello and Elvis gives you a Cadillac.”


Thanks for posting those one-liners, but your "never" declaration is misguided. First of all, "fat and forty" is not directly quoted as something Carson said on TV, but a general reference. What Elvis perceived was Johnny making jokes about his aging, and it was enough for him to declare he would no longer watch the program. That's what is quite correctly remembered by the guys. Even your truncated quote from 1-8-1975 would have been enough to cause this reaction.

Interestingly, it is almost for certain that Elvis watched Carson on 1-22-1975, as someone special was on that Wednesday evening.


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Ann-Margret "I've Got the Music in Me" (NBC-TV "The Tonight Show," Wednesday, January 22, 1975)
http://www.paleycenter.org/collection/item/?q=Ann-Margret&p=1&item=B:78611

Re: Elvis and Johnny Carson...

Thu Oct 17, 2013 8:32 pm

Thanks guys for the nice replies regarding the quotes. When you're discussing comedy and Johnny Carson, so much more transpires in the delivery. Maybe one day the monologue videos will appear.

As for the "truncated" quote -- remember that a live audience plus Ed McMahon was also present. Carson had a habit of interrupting his joke delivery to banter with his straight man or the crowd if he heard an unexpected reaction like a laugh before the punch line, silence, groans, a loud noise from the crew, etc. That's why you see the ellipsis (...)

I concur that the only Johnny Carson quote where Elvis might have taken offense happened on January 8, 1975. The orthopedic blue suede shoes one. But I'm still not seeing anywhere where Johnny mentioned Elvis being fat and forty. It was my intention to illustrate how our perceptions alter and often elevate what really happened.

Dr. John, I love the Ann-Margret video from 1/22/75, even though it's a small sampling. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. Carson Enterprises has an annoying habit of only featuring snippets from historic interviews and sketches on The Tonight Show. As you said, it would seem almost certain that Elvis watched it.


And for reference purposes, here is Billy Smith's recollection, taken from Revelations from the Memphis Mafia, page 507: "Elvis was always crazy about Johnny Carson. But then a few years later, Johnny was doing his monologue one night and Elvis was watching him. Johnny said something about Elvis being 'fat and forty.' And boy, Elvis turned against him after that. He wouldn't hardly watch him anymore. Elvis took stuff like that hard..."
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Re: Elvis and Johnny Carson...

Thu Oct 17, 2013 8:37 pm

jeremylr wrote:Thanks guys for the nice replies regarding the quotes. When you're discussing comedy and Johnny Carson, so much more transpires in the delivery. Maybe one day the monologue videos will appear.

As for the "truncated" quote -- remember that a live audience plus Ed McMahon was also present. Carson had a habit of interrupting his joke delivery to banter with his straight man or the crowd if he heard an unexpected reaction like a laugh before the punch line, silence, groans, a loud noise from the crew, etc. That's why you see the ellipsis (...)

I concur that the only Johnny Carson quote where Elvis might have taken offense happened on January 8, 1975. The orthopedic blue suede shoes one. But I'm still not seeing anywhere where Johnny mentioned Elvis being fat and forty. It was my intention to illustrate how our perceptions alter and often elevate what really happened.


And for reference purposes, here is Billy Smith's recollection, taken from Revelations from the Memphis Mafia, page 507: "Elvis was always crazy about Johnny Carson. But then a few years later, Johnny was doing his monologue one night and Elvis was watching him. Johnny said something about Elvis being 'fat and forty.' And boy, Elvis turned against him after that. He wouldn't hardly watch him anymore. Elvis took stuff like that hard..."


Billy's quote proves my point. It is never said explicitly that Carson declared Elvis "fat and forty." The joke in the monologue of 1-08-1975 could clearly apply as the one Elvis did not appreciate. Why some fans are so quick to dismiss observations from people like Billy Smith is kind of pathetic.

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Thu Oct 17, 2013 8:57 pm

Thank you Jeremylr for those quotes, excellent!