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Re: Elvis At Stax: 40th Anniversary (3 CD)

Thu Jun 27, 2013 2:12 pm

luckyjackson1 wrote:Don't expect a better sound quality on the outtakes than on the FTD's (rather the opposite :roll: )... :wink:
If you're lucky, they'll sound the same.

How do you mean? Surely the outtakes will sound even better DSD'd.

Re: Elvis At Stax: 40th Anniversary (3 CD)

Thu Jun 27, 2013 6:13 pm

Made my own version of "Elvis at Stax"........and plays it a lot these days :)
1-18 is the masters and the rest is outtakes.

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Re: Elvis At Stax: 40th Anniversary (3 CD)

Thu Jun 27, 2013 6:30 pm

a mess of polk salad wrote:
luckyjackson1 wrote:Don't expect a better sound quality on the outtakes than on the FTD's (rather the opposite :roll: )... :wink:
If you're lucky, they'll sound the same.

How do you mean? Surely the outtakes will sound even better DSD'd.


Just like I wrote before, Roger Semon told me in 2002 that material that had already been remastered for FTD gets remastered once again for the wide spread public (no-noise etc.).
Let's hope that eleven years later this is not the case anymore.

All I'd like to know is what fades they used this time for the outtakes and which songs are clipped or have mastering faults... (gosh, I already sound like Tony.. :P ).

Re: Elvis At Stax: 40th Anniversary (3 CD)

Thu Jun 27, 2013 6:59 pm

SuspiciousMind wrote:
elvis-fan wrote:
norrie wrote:
poormadpeter wrote:It seems odd that the forum is even debating whether Sony is releasing something for financial reasons. The last I heard, they were not a charity.


Maybe not but they were selling Viva Elvis for charity shop prices.

norrie

Viva Elvis doesn't qualify as Elvis' music... they can't price that trash low enough...


That album may not be the best or liked by some life long fans, but it's still an Elvis Presley album and always will be seen as one.

I think I can safely speak for all real Elvis Presley fans when I say, no it isn't and no it won't...

Re: Elvis At Stax: 40th Anniversary (3 CD)

Thu Jun 27, 2013 7:04 pm

luckyjackson1 wrote:
a mess of polk salad wrote:
luckyjackson1 wrote:Don't expect a better sound quality on the outtakes than on the FTD's (rather the opposite :roll: )... :wink:
If you're lucky, they'll sound the same.

How do you mean? Surely the outtakes will sound even better DSD'd.


Just like I wrote before, Roger Semon told me in 2002 that material that had already been remastered for FTD gets remastered once again for the wide spread public (no-noise etc.).
Let's hope that eleven years later this is not the case anymore.

All I'd like to know is what fades they used this time for the outtakes and which songs are clipped or have mastering faults... (gosh, I already sound like Tony.. :P ).


They say the outtakes have been remixed.

By the way, what's the limited edition about? There is the single cd, the vinyl edition and then the deluxe 3 cd edition but at amazon there is also a limited edition at $72


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Re: Elvis At Stax: 40th Anniversary (3 CD)

Thu Jun 27, 2013 10:44 pm

luckyjackson1 wrote:
a mess of polk salad wrote:
luckyjackson1 wrote:I already sound like Tony.. :P .



Being like Tony.. is the end result (a bi-product, if you would) of us collectors becoming jaded from years of a never ending stream of repeat "far-from-perfect" CD's from both official and bootleg releases. I predict one day all of us on this forum will eventually end up like Tony. Sad, but true. (No offence, Tony..) :wink:

Re: Elvis At Stax: 40th Anniversary (3 CD)

Fri Jun 28, 2013 12:19 am

frus75 wrote:They say the outtakes have been remixed.

It will be interesting to learn if that is true, since the outtakes were remixed for the Raised On Rock, Good Times, and Promised Land FTDs anyway.

Re: Elvis At Stax: 40th Anniversary (3 CD)

Fri Jun 28, 2013 9:39 am

frus75 wrote:
luckyjackson1 wrote:
a mess of polk salad wrote:
luckyjackson1 wrote:Don't expect a better sound quality on the outtakes than on the FTD's (rather the opposite :roll: )... :wink:
If you're lucky, they'll sound the same.

How do you mean? Surely the outtakes will sound even better DSD'd.


Just like I wrote before, Roger Semon told me in 2002 that material that had already been remastered for FTD gets remastered once again for the wide spread public (no-noise etc.).
Let's hope that eleven years later this is not the case anymore.

All I'd like to know is what fades they used this time for the outtakes and which songs are clipped or have mastering faults... (gosh, I already sound like Tony.. :P ).


They say the outtakes have been remixed.

By the way, what's the limited edition about? There is the single cd, the vinyl edition and then the deluxe 3 cd edition but at amazon there is also a limited edition at $72


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It's probably the deluxe edition with a different cover. :smt005

I don't think the outtakes got remixed for this release again. Just remastered (for the worse). Hope I'm wrong.

Re: Elvis At Stax: 40th Anniversary (3 CD)

Fri Jun 28, 2013 10:32 am

luckyjackson1 wrote:
frus75 wrote:
luckyjackson1 wrote:
a mess of polk salad wrote:
luckyjackson1 wrote:Don't expect a better sound quality on the outtakes than on the FTD's (rather the opposite :roll: )... :wink:
If you're lucky, they'll sound the same.

How do you mean? Surely the outtakes will sound even better DSD'd.


Just like I wrote before, Roger Semon told me in 2002 that material that had already been remastered for FTD gets remastered once again for the wide spread public (no-noise etc.).
Let's hope that eleven years later this is not the case anymore.

All I'd like to know is what fades they used this time for the outtakes and which songs are clipped or have mastering faults... (gosh, I already sound like Tony.. :P ).


They say the outtakes have been remixed.

By the way, what's the limited edition about? There is the single cd, the vinyl edition and then the deluxe 3 cd edition but at amazon there is also a limited edition at $72


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It's probably the deluxe edition with a different cover. :smt005

I don't think the outtakes got remixed for this release again. Just remastered (for the worse). Hope I'm wrong.

Why remastered for the worse?
I'd love to have the whole Promised Land FTD in a higher resolution (DSD) - that's for sure!

Re: Elvis At Stax: 40th Anniversary (3 CD)

Fri Jun 28, 2013 11:17 am

a mess of polk salad wrote:
luckyjackson1 wrote:
frus75 wrote:
luckyjackson1 wrote:
a mess of polk salad wrote:
luckyjackson1 wrote:Don't expect a better sound quality on the outtakes than on the FTD's (rather the opposite :roll: )... :wink:
If you're lucky, they'll sound the same.

How do you mean? Surely the outtakes will sound even better DSD'd.


Just like I wrote before, Roger Semon told me in 2002 that material that had already been remastered for FTD gets remastered once again for the wide spread public (no-noise etc.).
Let's hope that eleven years later this is not the case anymore.

All I'd like to know is what fades they used this time for the outtakes and which songs are clipped or have mastering faults... (gosh, I already sound like Tony.. :P ).


They say the outtakes have been remixed.

By the way, what's the limited edition about? There is the single cd, the vinyl edition and then the deluxe 3 cd edition but at amazon there is also a limited edition at $72


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It's probably the deluxe edition with a different cover. :smt005

I don't think the outtakes got remixed for this release again. Just remastered (for the worse). Hope I'm wrong.

Why remastered for the worse?
I'd love to have the whole Promised Land FTD in a higher resolution (DSD) - that's for sure!

I can't imagine they used DSD for this release.

Re: Elvis At Stax: 40th Anniversary (3 CD)

Fri Jun 28, 2013 1:14 pm

frus75 wrote:
By the way, what's the limited edition about? There is the single cd, the vinyl edition and then the deluxe 3 cd edition but at amazon there is also a limited edition at $72




The $72 limited edition is a Japanese import.

MT

Re: Elvis At Stax: 40th Anniversary (3 CD)

Fri Jun 28, 2013 2:32 pm

MysteryTrain wrote:
frus75 wrote:
By the way, what's the limited edition about? There is the single cd, the vinyl edition and then the deluxe 3 cd edition but at amazon there is also a limited edition at $72




The $72 limited edition is a Japanese import.

MT

Thanks, MT.

Does the tracklisting differ from the regular edition?

Re: Elvis At Stax: 40th Anniversary (3 CD)

Fri Jun 28, 2013 2:41 pm

luckyjackson1 wrote:
MysteryTrain wrote:
frus75 wrote:
By the way, what's the limited edition about? There is the single cd, the vinyl edition and then the deluxe 3 cd edition but at amazon there is also a limited edition at $72




The $72 limited edition is a Japanese import.

MT

Thanks, MT.

Does the tracklisting differ from the regular edition?




No, but you'll get Japanese written songsheets for each track.

Re: Elvis At Stax: 40th Anniversary (3 CD)

Fri Jun 28, 2013 2:52 pm

Oh, wow! Now that's worth $72 (USD). NOT!

Re: Elvis At Stax: 40th Anniversary (3 CD)

Fri Jun 28, 2013 9:20 pm

luckyjackson1 wrote:
a mess of polk salad wrote:
luckyjackson1 wrote:
frus75 wrote:
luckyjackson1 wrote:
a mess of polk salad wrote:
luckyjackson1 wrote:Don't expect a better sound quality on the outtakes than on the FTD's (rather the opposite :roll: )... :wink:
If you're lucky, they'll sound the same.

How do you mean? Surely the outtakes will sound even better DSD'd.


Just like I wrote before, Roger Semon told me in 2002 that material that had already been remastered for FTD gets remastered once again for the wide spread public (no-noise etc.).
Let's hope that eleven years later this is not the case anymore.

All I'd like to know is what fades they used this time for the outtakes and which songs are clipped or have mastering faults... (gosh, I already sound like Tony.. :P ).


They say the outtakes have been remixed.

By the way, what's the limited edition about? There is the single cd, the vinyl edition and then the deluxe 3 cd edition but at amazon there is also a limited edition at $72


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

It's probably the deluxe edition with a different cover. :smt005

I don't think the outtakes got remixed for this release again. Just remastered (for the worse). Hope I'm wrong.

Why remastered for the worse?
I'd love to have the whole Promised Land FTD in a higher resolution (DSD) - that's for sure!

I can't imagine they used DSD for this release.


Why not? They' ve used it for most mainstream Elvis releases.

Re: Elvis At Stax: 40th Anniversary (3 CD)

Sat Jun 29, 2013 2:24 am

a mess of polk salad wrote:
luckyjackson1 wrote:
a mess of polk salad wrote:
luckyjackson1 wrote:
frus75 wrote:
luckyjackson1 wrote:
a mess of polk salad wrote:
luckyjackson1 wrote:Don't expect a better sound quality on the outtakes than on the FTD's (rather the opposite :roll: )... :wink:
If you're lucky, they'll sound the same.

How do you mean? Surely the outtakes will sound even better DSD'd.


Just like I wrote before, Roger Semon told me in 2002 that material that had already been remastered for FTD gets remastered once again for the wide spread public (no-noise etc.).
Let's hope that eleven years later this is not the case anymore.

All I'd like to know is what fades they used this time for the outtakes and which songs are clipped or have mastering faults... (gosh, I already sound like Tony.. :P ).


They say the outtakes have been remixed.

By the way, what's the limited edition about? There is the single cd, the vinyl edition and then the deluxe 3 cd edition but at amazon there is also a limited edition at $72


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

It's probably the deluxe edition with a different cover. :smt005

I don't think the outtakes got remixed for this release again. Just remastered (for the worse). Hope I'm wrong.

Why remastered for the worse?
I'd love to have the whole Promised Land FTD in a higher resolution (DSD) - that's for sure!

I can't imagine they used DSD for this release.


Why not? They' ve used it for most mainstream Elvis releases.

Could you name a box-set where they used DSD please? I really don't know.

The ones that come to my mind are the DSD remasters of his first three albums and the theme CD's from quite some years ago (2005/2006?).

Update: found a list I borrowed from the Steve Hoffman-Forum (don't know if it's complete though):

2003 BMG-USA Elvis 56
2003 BMG-USA Great Country Songs
2003 BMG-USA Heart And Soul
2003 BMG-USA Can't Help Falling In Love: The Hollywood Hits

2003 BMG-USA Close Up (4-CD Set) [discs 1-3]
2003 BMG-USA Christmas Peace (2-CD)

2004 BMG-USA Ultimate Gospel
2004 BMG-USA Elvis at Sun

2005 BMG-USA Elvis Presley
2005 BMG-USA Elvis
2005 BMG-USA Loving You

2005 BMG-USA Love, Elvis
2005 BMG-USA Elvis By The Presleys (w/Bonus CD)
2005 BMG-USA Hitstory (3-CD) [disc 3 of U.S. version]

2006 BMG-USA Elvis #1 Singles (20 CD-Singles Box Set)

2006 BMG-USA Elvis Rock
2006 BMG-USA Elvis Country
2006 BMG-USA Elvis Inspirational

Re: Elvis At Stax: 40th Anniversary (3 CD)

Sat Jun 29, 2013 2:32 am

DSD is a high resolution digital storage technology. It is not a mastering trick that magically makes things sound better on CDs.

Re: Elvis At Stax: 40th Anniversary (3 CD)

Sat Jun 29, 2013 10:22 am

luckyjackson1 wrote:
a mess of polk salad wrote:
luckyjackson1 wrote:
a mess of polk salad wrote:
luckyjackson1 wrote:
frus75 wrote:
luckyjackson1 wrote:
a mess of polk salad wrote:
luckyjackson1 wrote:Don't expect a better sound quality on the outtakes than on the FTD's (rather the opposite :roll: )... :wink:
If you're lucky, they'll sound the same.

How do you mean? Surely the outtakes will sound even better DSD'd.


Just like I wrote before, Roger Semon told me in 2002 that material that had already been remastered for FTD gets remastered once again for the wide spread public (no-noise etc.).
Let's hope that eleven years later this is not the case anymore.

All I'd like to know is what fades they used this time for the outtakes and which songs are clipped or have mastering faults... (gosh, I already sound like Tony.. :P ).


They say the outtakes have been remixed.

By the way, what's the limited edition about? There is the single cd, the vinyl edition and then the deluxe 3 cd edition but at amazon there is also a limited edition at $72


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

It's probably the deluxe edition with a different cover. :smt005

I don't think the outtakes got remixed for this release again. Just remastered (for the worse). Hope I'm wrong.

Why remastered for the worse?
I'd love to have the whole Promised Land FTD in a higher resolution (DSD) - that's for sure!

I can't imagine they used DSD for this release.


Why not? They' ve used it for most mainstream Elvis releases.

Could you name a box-set where they used DSD please? I really don't know.

The ones that come to my mind are the DSD remasters of his first three albums and the theme CD's from quite some years ago (2005/2006?).

Update: found a list I borrowed from the Steve Hoffman-Forum (don't know if it's complete though):

2003 BMG-USA Elvis 56
2003 BMG-USA Great Country Songs
2003 BMG-USA Heart And Soul
2003 BMG-USA Can't Help Falling In Love: The Hollywood Hits

2003 BMG-USA Close Up (4-CD Set) [discs 1-3]
2003 BMG-USA Christmas Peace (2-CD)

2004 BMG-USA Ultimate Gospel
2004 BMG-USA Elvis at Sun

2005 BMG-USA Elvis Presley
2005 BMG-USA Elvis
2005 BMG-USA Loving You

2005 BMG-USA Love, Elvis
2005 BMG-USA Elvis By The Presleys (w/Bonus CD)
2005 BMG-USA Hitstory (3-CD) [disc 3 of U.S. version]

2006 BMG-USA Elvis #1 Singles (20 CD-Singles Box Set)

2006 BMG-USA Elvis Rock
2006 BMG-USA Elvis Country
2006 BMG-USA Elvis Inspirational


Plus I BELIEVE - THE COMPLETE GOSPEL MASTERS - 30 NUMBER 1 HITS - TCM Box set - SECOND TO NONE - ELVIS 75 - Good Rockin' Tonight - all DSD I believe.
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Re: Elvis At Stax: 40th Anniversary (3 CD)

Sat Jun 29, 2013 10:23 am

Matthew wrote:DSD is a high resolution digital storage technology. It is not a mastering trick that magically makes things sound better on CDs.

As Ernst said the FTD STAX outtakes will be transferred in high-resolution...

Re: Elvis At Stax: 40th Anniversary (3 CD)

Sat Jun 29, 2013 11:13 am

I didn't really plan on buying this set anyway. But I'll gladly await reviews. Just like I should have on PFAP... :roll:

Re: Elvis At Stax: 40th Anniversary (3 CD)

Sat Jun 29, 2013 3:10 pm

I'm optimistic that this upcoming set will be sonically great, as for artwork, I like the picture of Elvis, (even tho it's not a '73 Elvis), it's just not that appealing.

And these titles they come up with, "Elvis at Stax" ... The average person who walks around and decides to check out an Elvis cd and sees , "Elvis at Stax" and says, "What and where the hell is Stax ?" Lmao ....

Unless, of course, your a hardcore or music enthusiast, these titles are just as bad as the artwork.

Re: Elvis At Stax: 40th Anniversary (3 CD)

Sat Jun 29, 2013 3:19 pm

midnightx wrote:
poormadpeter wrote:
midnightx wrote:
Winston wrote:The historical significance of Presley’s work at Stax is appreciated by such music scholars as Peter Guralnick, the award-winning author of Last Train to Memphis: The Rise of Elvis Presley (1994) and Careless Love: The Unmaking of Elvis Presley (1999); and producer Ernst Mikael Jørgensen, respected director of RCA’s Presley catalog for over two decades, and author of the critical research guide, Elvis Presley: A Life In Music (St. Martin’s Press, 1998).

Jørgensen has long been concerned with doing justice to the Stax sessions, which were never acknowledged by the artist's record label RCA as a unified whole.

If one re-reads the Stax chapter in Ernst's "A Life In Music," there isn't much there that suggests that Ernst "appreciates" the "historical significance" of the Stax sessions.


Does something have to be historically significant in order for it to receive a decent re-release?

Typically an expansive set under the banner of an "anniversary" title suggests the material should be historically significant. Rarely does a label celebrate the anniversary of mediocre sessions. If you look beyond your hyper-sensitive, defensive point of view - you will see that this "anniversary" set of "STAX" material is a marketing ploy to entice buyers and a somewhat disingenuous way to move mediocre 70's product. As pointed out, Sony is a business, and clearly this was the best way it could try to create a buzz and sales potential around these inconsistent recordings from an era in Elvis' career that doesn't typically sell big mainstream figures in 2013. Not everything is an attack on Elvis; sometimes the realities are what they are.


So, what happened with, "I Am An Elvis Fan" ?

Supposedly, over 250,000 voters and the disc didn't sell a quarter of that figure ...

Re: Elvis At Stax: 40th Anniversary (3 CD)

Sat Jun 29, 2013 3:33 pm

minkahed wrote:I'm optimistic that this upcoming set will be sonically great, as for artwork, I like the picture of Elvis, (even tho it's not a '73 Elvis), it's just not that appealing.

And these titles they come up with, "Elvis at Stax" ... The average person who walks around and decides to check out an Elvis cd and sees , "Elvis at Stax" and says, "What and where the hell is Stax ?" Lmao ....

Unless, of course, your a hardcore or music enthusiast, these titles are just as bad as the artwork.

That's true. Then on the other hand a casual fan will be educated on STAX through the release. Maybe check out the FTD related STAX releases...

I think it WILL be sonically great!

Re: Elvis At Stax: 40th Anniversary (3 CD)

Sat Jun 29, 2013 6:48 pm

Is there new materialen on this box? Hope so

Re: Elvis At Stax: 40th Anniversary (3 CD)

Sat Jun 29, 2013 7:39 pm

Charley Rogers wrote:Is there new materialen on this box? Hope so


new material no.
Just re-mixed outtakes and masters. every outtake thats on here is already released by ftd.