Tue Mar 26, 2013 12:42 am
Tue Mar 26, 2013 1:54 am
megocollector.com wrote:The RCA Victor Gold Standard Series are re-releases of the original RCA catalog. The re-releases have been re-cataloged and had changed labels throughout their release history. Early Gold Standard Series records were black label dog on top, later black label dog on side, to orange, red, and back to a black label in 1976.
elvisrecords.us wrote:Gold Standard Series (GSS) 45 RPM singles with the prefix 447. The labels may indicate an original point of reference, as the Dog on Top ("DOT") is generally identified with the series beginning in 1958. Wherein 1965 the Dog on Side ("DOS") replaced the DOT label. The orange labels are generally were introduced in 1968. The red labels may have been introduced in 1969, where 1970 is the generally accepted year. The final label, Dog Near Top ("DNT") is accepted as 1977. The actual initial release dates were taken from the original LISTING NOTICEs for the GOLD STANDARD SINGLE RELEASEs used by RCA. The sleeves are also in estimation as various sleeves were used throughout the years, even overlapped. In cases, generic sleeves and company sleeves may also have been used.
Tue Mar 26, 2013 5:48 am
Tue Mar 26, 2013 7:48 am
Tue Mar 26, 2013 9:10 am
Tue Mar 26, 2013 11:23 am
murph1031 wrote:Can someone explain exactly what these releases are? My understanding is that they are re-issues, but where I'm confused it re-issues of what. For example I just purchased the Puppet on a String/Wooden Heart single. I don't see where this was released before, so is the gold standard series re-issues of "songs" that had already been released on single before but now with different b sides. When did these issues start? was it during the 60's?
Thanks, I know this is probably a pretty dumb question, but I'm trying to complete my singles collection, and these have always confused me for some reason. When I started collecting I confused them with the collector series of re-issues, these are something totally different correct?
Murph
Tue Mar 26, 2013 1:08 pm
murph1031 wrote:Can someone explain exactly what these releases are? My understanding is that they are re-issues, but where I'm confused it re-issues of what. For example I just purchased the Puppet on a String/Wooden Heart single. I don't see where this was released before, so is the gold standard series re-issues of "songs" that had already been released on single before but now with different b sides. When did these issues start? was it during the 60's?
Thanks, I know this is probably a pretty dumb question, but I'm trying to complete my singles collection, and these have always confused me for some reason. When I started collecting I confused them with the collector series of re-issues, these are something totally different correct?
Murph
Wed Mar 27, 2013 12:09 am
Wed Mar 27, 2013 3:41 am
murph1031 wrote:So let me see if I got this right. Lets take the Mystery Train 45. It was released first by sun and RCA in 1955.
murph1031 wrote:... wow looks like I have further to go than I first thought.
Wed Mar 27, 2013 5:09 pm
Blue River wrote:The following 7 singles were released on the Gold Standard Series label initially without ever having been released before as a single in the U.S. ~
1964
447-0639 Kiss Me Quick / Suspicion
447-0720 Wooden Heart / Blue Christmas
1965
447-0643 Crying In The Chapel / I Believe In The Man In The Sky
447-0650 Puppet On A String / Wooden Heart
447-0647 Santa Claus Is Back In Town / Blue Christmas
1966
447-0651 Joshua Fit The Battle / Known Only To Him
447-0652 Milky White Way / Swing Down Sweet Chariot
It's strange that There's Always Me/Judy (1967) & His Hand In Mine/How Great Thou Art (1969) weren't initially released the same way.
Wed Mar 27, 2013 5:52 pm
Wed Mar 27, 2013 8:41 pm
Blue River wrote:Would it be safe to assume that "We Can Make The Morning" (APKS-1286) was actually the A-side to "Until It's Time For You To Go" (APKS-1289) ?
>> http://www.elvisrecords.us/until-it-is- ... e-morning/
Wed Mar 27, 2013 11:26 pm
Keith wrote:Blue River wrote:Would it be safe to assume that "We Can Make The Morning" (APKS-1286) was actually the A-side to "Until It's Time For You To Go" (APKS-1289) ?
>> http://www.elvisrecords.us/until-it-is- ... e-morning/
According to RCA's listing notice for the single 74-0619 and session log, "Until It's Time For You To Go" was the A-Side and "We Can Make The Morning" was the B-Side.
Thu Mar 28, 2013 12:34 am
Blue River wrote:Keith wrote:Blue River wrote:Would it be safe to assume that "We Can Make The Morning" (APKS-1286) was actually the A-side to "Until It's Time For You To Go" (APKS-1289) ?
>> http://www.elvisrecords.us/until-it-is- ... e-morning/
According to RCA's listing notice for the single 74-0619 and session log, "Until It's Time For You To Go" was the A-Side and "We Can Make The Morning" was the B-Side.
So we can't always go by the sub-number below the catalog number to determine an A-side from a B-side.
Thu Mar 28, 2013 12:53 am
Thu Mar 28, 2013 1:11 am
Blue River wrote:drjohncarpenter and a few others on this forum have often suggested that the way to determine
the A side from the B side (1954 -1972) is to go by the matrix letters/numbers. That seems to hold true on some singles, but not all of them.
Thu Mar 28, 2013 1:22 am
Keith wrote:Blue River wrote:drjohncarpenter and a few others on this forum have often suggested that the way to determine
the A side from the B side (1954 -1972) is to go by the matrix letters/numbers. That seems to hold true on some singles, but not all of them.
Sorry, but whoever suggested that the A and B side of a single can be determined by the matrix number of the songs is taking complete and utter rubbish!
It may be coincidence in some cases, but nothing more!
Thu Mar 28, 2013 3:24 am
Blue River wrote:So from Elvis' first RCA singles in December 1955 all the way through to early 1973 (Steamroller Blues/Fool) there was never a way to determine the actual A/B side simply by looking at the labels? Wow, that's very interesting!
Thu Mar 28, 2013 3:32 am
Keith wrote:Blue River wrote:So from Elvis' first RCA singles in December 1955 all the way through to early 1973 (Steamroller Blues/Fool) there was never a way to determine the actual A/B side simply by looking at the labels? Wow, that's very interesting!
Well, looking at the analogy you mentioned earlier and that some members on here have suggested that the A and B sides of a single can be determined by the matrix letters/numbers - If you look at "Steamroller Blues / Fool" for example, going by the matrix numbers it would indicate that "Fool" would be the A-Side (BPKS 1258) and "Steamroller Blues" was the B-Side (CPKS 4728), but clearly this wasn't the case as it's actually printed on the record label that "Steamroller Blues" is side 1 and "Fool" is side 2.
As I've already said, the matrix numbers of songs cannot determine which is the A and B sides of a single - The only REAL documentation that show the A and B sides are the official RCA listing notices, as shown on my site - Mostly never seen before by fans and kindly given to me from someone who worked at RCA, who thought I would be able to put them to good use on my site.
Keith
Thu Mar 28, 2013 7:27 am
Keith wrote:... it's actually printed on the record label that "Steamroller Blues" is side 1 and "Fool" is side 2.
Thu Mar 28, 2013 10:43 am
Thu Mar 28, 2013 1:40 pm
Blue River wrote:Keith wrote:... it's actually printed on the record label that "Steamroller Blues" is side 1 and "Fool" is side 2.
I don't see "side 1" or "side 2" printed on the record label >> http://www.elvisrecords.us/steamroller-blues-fool/
Thu Mar 28, 2013 6:17 pm
Keith wrote:Blue River wrote:Keith wrote:... it's actually printed on the record label that "Steamroller Blues" is side 1 and "Fool" is side 2.
I don't see "side 1" or "side 2" printed on the record label >> http://www.elvisrecords.us/steamroller-blues-fool/
It's printed on this record label, although this appears to be a European (German) pressing
.
Keith wrote: Sorry, I should have said that from the next single release "Raised On Rock / For Ol' Times Sake" they printed the sides on U.S. discs too.
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