Sun Mar 17, 2013 12:33 am
poormadpeter wrote:joshferrell wrote:Brian Quinn wrote:Jaime1234 wrote:Let's take it optimistically. In 2006, Elvis didn't appear in the top 20 list of Soundscan catalog artists. The leader was the Beatles. The next to last time i saw, and that was in 2007, he was now inside the Top 20. The Beatles, still on top. Then, last year, he was inside the top 15, landing at 14. The Beatles still on top. And this year, he's went inside the top 12, landing at number 11, the Beatles still on top. Same with the RIAA, in terms of albums. In 2007, as was the case in 2010, and even now, it's the Beatles, followed by Elvis, 99 percent of nthe time, with Garth Brooks getting ahead of Elvis once in that period, but the period being very short, as Elvis bounced back to second place real quickly. It's the Beatles and Elvis, in alnums, and Elvis and the Beatles, in singles sales in the US and the4 UK, the world's two largest markets. When you add all the countries of the world, only they, Elvis and the Beatles, can reach a billion units of singles, albums, and boxes.
Billboard’s 2012 Year End Catalog Artists
1. Whitney Houston
3. Taylor Swift
5. The Black Keys
6. Lady Antebellum
7. Florence + The Machine
8. Guns n' Roses
9. Zac Brown Band
10. ELVIS PRESLEY
Interesting that there is no Beach Boys or Stones since they both celebrated 50 years last year
But we need to look at these figures and what they mean. If we are going by total albums sold, the picture isn't so rosy as it looks. Elvis is there a number 10, yes. But think how many Elvis CDs are out there - how many greatest hits, how many legacy edition, back catalogue albums etc. Because the catalogue is so vast, only a relatively small amount of units of each CD would need to be sold to get Elvis on to that list?
Looking at that more closely, Amazon UK (as an example) has 84 guns n roses CDs that are available via Prime (I'm using Prime as a rough indication that they are in still in print)
The same site has 263 Elvis CDs available via Prime - the search I did was for "Elvis Presley Sony", in order to avoid the public domain issues. A further 56 come up under the search "Elvis Presley BMG" (making approx 327 Elvis Sony CDs in stock)
That means there are four times the amount of Elvis titles out there as Guns N Roses. Or, to put it another way, Guns N Roses need to sell 4 times as many copies of each CD as Elvis does to reach number 10 in the above chart - but actually they are above him.
If you look at it that way, Elvis CD aren't selling in high numbers, there is just a high number of CDs available.
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Sun Mar 17, 2013 7:59 pm
sgoodyear62 wrote:No doubt that Elvis' music will never die, It's just a shame that all used record shops in our area do not have Elvis in their bins.Yesterday my husband and I drove out to Rainbow records in Newark, Delaware with about 15 albums he had spares of, just to see if he could sell them. Long story short..the dealer looked at them and passed.So my huband said no problem and put them back in the car.This store also had no Elvis section, but plenty of Bowie, stones and high priced Beatles!
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Sun Mar 17, 2013 10:06 pm
r&b wrote:I grew up on the East Coast. Although there are some Elvis fans, he was not popular at all when I went to high school, mid-60's. He already was thought of as passé and less hip than Dean Martin who had a very popular TV show then. I once asked a classmate about Elvis' music, and his response was, 'Isnt he just a movie star now?' This was about 1966. So much for that. Yes, The Beatles , Stones & Dylan, plus Motown ruled here. Elvis' movie years harmed him more than u can imagine.
Sun Mar 17, 2013 10:10 pm
frus75 wrote:I'm sorry, but when you have a product as good as elvis music, if you don't sell it then you're not marketing it well enough. No need to go back to 2002. Just take a look at what happened recently with an afternoon in the garden.
And one more thing: sorry to tell you, but besides real music fans, the sun era, and even the 50's and 60's elvis is hard to sell for the general public. They'll found the 68-73 era more "palatable". I have tons of music lovers friends and they always marvel at something like in the ghetto or madison square garden and don't care about blue moon of Kentucky or teddy bear. It happens with the sinatra Columbia period too...the only 50's material that usually makes some impact on them is part of the king creole album.
Sun Mar 17, 2013 10:55 pm
Mon Mar 18, 2013 2:50 am
sgoodyear62 wrote:It just seems that since the last couple of years, Elvis is not relevant in used record shops.I can remember going into some in the late '90's and early '00's and always found Elvis product.What caused this turnaround? And the theory that Elvis was not big on the east coast is off kelter. Our local record shops were always stocked with Elvis records when I was growing up.He played sold out shows in Philadelphia, Maryland, New York..not popular on the east coast? I beg to differ. As much as I like the Beatles I sometimes think the fuss over them after all these years is unwarrented. Yes they made good music but so did alot of other groups! i don't deny that they were a major force in music but there is no comparrison between them and Elvis. No one wants Bing Crosby music nowadays or Perry Como, or Don Cherry. They just want the auto-tuned crap that gets churned out that I turn off. My Elvis collection will be with me until I die. Maybe it will be worthless like old '78's are, but i don't care.Every new Beatles release is hyped, why not Elvis? Yes, he's been dead for 35 years, but two Beatles are dead too. I just don't know what happened that Elvis is so "not cool" in used record shops anymore.I think it's unfair and he should be counted especially since he was a major force in the early years of Rock N' Roll. Now i know i think like this because I grew up listning to his music and buying the records and Cassettes and CD's into my adult life. It just makes me sad.It bugs the crap out of my husband too. He always included a couple Elvis songs in his set when he was playing in bands and it always went over well.He wonders now if people would boo or walk out if Elvis songs were performed by a band today.Maybe the imitators ruined it. who knows? It's left both of us scratching our heads.
Mon Mar 18, 2013 3:03 am
poormadpeter wrote:No-one can make Elvis popular again by simply reissuing his albums. But they can at least make the catalogue look attractive and classy for those that do want to explore it. As it is, and FTD aside, it's a complete shambles, and cluttered with needless multiple greatest hits collections, multiple christmas collections and more. Quantity over quality has always ruled when it comes to Elvis product, and Sony is continuing that trend at retail.
Mon Mar 18, 2013 7:59 am
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