Fri Mar 15, 2013 1:52 pm
poormadpeter wrote:Jaime1234 wrote:sweetangeline wrote:I think it`s more fair to say that "Elvis don`t sell like he used too", but that is a sign of the times! I`m quite sure that Sony is happy with the 4th quarter sales from last year alone, on new and catalog items. I mentioned this in another thread that I believe Elvis` sales will increase between 2014 - 2017, but I don`t mean on the scale of Elvis 30#1 Hits back in 2002. There is alot of Elvis product out there from many, many different sources and it isn`t continuing to being produced just to look at, but I do think that people put way too much into things like the BILLBOARD 200 or the HOT 100, Sony are happy with TOTAL SALES overall, including FTD products or they would not be produced. Even MUSICONVINYL, FRIDAYMUSIC and SPEAKERS CORNER have put out some very nice Elvis vinyl. It comes and goes with Elvis, it always has!!
Right on. Thirty five million and two hundred thousand (LOL ) albums beind sold, since Soundscan, is fantastic. Second to the Beatles, amongst catalog artists, and second to the Beatles, by RIAA figures, amongst all artists (134.5 to 177 million). They're happy...
Yes, but how many of those albums were sold in the period 1992 to, say, 2006? I'm sure the figures for the last few years are way down on the previous decade or so.
But the blame for some of that has to rest with Sony - they have basically used FTD for all unreleased/interesting material. There has been no new career spanning boxed sets containing interesting material for fan and casual buyer alike since around 2002, for example. Yes, there was YMWTBB - but it contained material that had been available to fans already (with the exception of about half an hour), and most casual buyers won't want endless takes of the same song. Platinum etc, just contained one take of each song making it more palatable. While FTD results in an almost guaranteed number of sales, it also keeps new and interesting Elvis product off Amazon, out of shops, and therefore out of the buyers spotlight.
Fri Mar 15, 2013 4:22 pm
sweetangeline wrote:poormadpeter wrote:Jaime1234 wrote:sweetangeline wrote:I think it`s more fair to say that "Elvis don`t sell like he used too", but that is a sign of the times! I`m quite sure that Sony is happy with the 4th quarter sales from last year alone, on new and catalog items. I mentioned this in another thread that I believe Elvis` sales will increase between 2014 - 2017, but I don`t mean on the scale of Elvis 30#1 Hits back in 2002. There is alot of Elvis product out there from many, many different sources and it isn`t continuing to being produced just to look at, but I do think that people put way too much into things like the BILLBOARD 200 or the HOT 100, Sony are happy with TOTAL SALES overall, including FTD products or they would not be produced. Even MUSICONVINYL, FRIDAYMUSIC and SPEAKERS CORNER have put out some very nice Elvis vinyl. It comes and goes with Elvis, it always has!!
Right on. Thirty five million and two hundred thousand (LOL ) albums beind sold, since Soundscan, is fantastic. Second to the Beatles, amongst catalog artists, and second to the Beatles, by RIAA figures, amongst all artists (134.5 to 177 million). They're happy...
Yes, but how many of those albums were sold in the period 1992 to, say, 2006? I'm sure the figures for the last few years are way down on the previous decade or so.
But the blame for some of that has to rest with Sony - they have basically used FTD for all unreleased/interesting material. There has been no new career spanning boxed sets containing interesting material for fan and casual buyer alike since around 2002, for example. Yes, there was YMWTBB - but it contained material that had been available to fans already (with the exception of about half an hour), and most casual buyers won't want endless takes of the same song. Platinum etc, just contained one take of each song making it more palatable. While FTD results in an almost guaranteed number of sales, it also keeps new and interesting Elvis product off Amazon, out of shops, and therefore out of the buyers spotlight.
with regards to the soundscan figures from 1991 - 2013, over that period I would agree that sales were higher between `91 and `2003 then they are the last 10 yrs, however as I stated earlier that is simply down to the sign of the times and diminishing cd sales. Although I don`t agree with every decision Sony makes, I`m not quite sure that had they done things differently (specifically in the last 10 yrs) would there have been some major increase of sales over that ten year period, for example lets put out PLATINUM or TODAY,TOMORROW & FOREVER in 2010, how much do you think they really would have sold...??
Fri Mar 15, 2013 4:49 pm
Fri Mar 15, 2013 4:54 pm
Fri Mar 15, 2013 5:38 pm
poormadpeter wrote:There were stories, whether true or not we don't know for sure, that Prince for Another Planet has only relatively small runs in Europe - this wouldnt happen if Elvis sold well. That's not the way it works. That long awaited release barely made a dent in the album charts despite great predictions from people on here.
As for used record stores, they can only buy in what people sell them - there isn't a big warehouse where they can buy quality used albums over camdens or greatest hits. Either way, the owners of those shops know whether an artist sells or not. No matter what they have in their racks, they know how many people come in and ask about that artist, or talk about that artist, or reminisce about that artist. Used record store owners are savvy and more often that not track the ups and down in sales of various artists far better than walmart, or hmv or whoever. There is no reason for them to lie to you.
There is this blinkered view on here that Elvis is still remarkably popular - but how many people actually visit these boards on a regular basis? Not many - it's basically just a small core group. Perhaps 100 regulars at any one time. Out of the whole internet - and this is generally regarded as the best forum. What does that tell you about Presley's popularity at this time?
As I have said many times before, the popularity of certain singers, film actors, film directors, authors - whoever - rise and fall during different periods and, for various reasons, Presley is in a trough at the moment. I don't think it's helped by a lack of imagination in rejuvenating the catalogue and making it accessible and interesting to non-fans or casual fans - Johnny Cash's complete Columbia output of 59 albums can be bought for just over £100, the complete Elvis was four times that amount; the Legacy editions are basically twofers with little of interest in the way of bonus tracks. That's some of it, and causes interest to wane. But it's not all of it. It's just one of those things that happens. At some point a director will use an Elvis soundtrack in a film, for example, and it will capture the imagination and Elvis will rise again.
Fri Mar 15, 2013 6:07 pm
FredAistair wrote:poormadpeter wrote:There were stories, whether true or not we don't know for sure, that Prince for Another Planet has only relatively small runs in Europe - this wouldnt happen if Elvis sold well. That's not the way it works. That long awaited release barely made a dent in the album charts despite great predictions from people on here.
As for used record stores, they can only buy in what people sell them - there isn't a big warehouse where they can buy quality used albums over camdens or greatest hits. Either way, the owners of those shops know whether an artist sells or not. No matter what they have in their racks, they know how many people come in and ask about that artist, or talk about that artist, or reminisce about that artist. Used record store owners are savvy and more often that not track the ups and down in sales of various artists far better than walmart, or hmv or whoever. There is no reason for them to lie to you.
There is this blinkered view on here that Elvis is still remarkably popular - but how many people actually visit these boards on a regular basis? Not many - it's basically just a small core group. Perhaps 100 regulars at any one time. Out of the whole internet - and this is generally regarded as the best forum. What does that tell you about Presley's popularity at this time?
As I have said many times before, the popularity of certain singers, film actors, film directors, authors - whoever - rise and fall during different periods and, for various reasons, Presley is in a trough at the moment. I don't think it's helped by a lack of imagination in rejuvenating the catalogue and making it accessible and interesting to non-fans or casual fans - Johnny Cash's complete Columbia output of 59 albums can be bought for just over £100, the complete Elvis was four times that amount; the Legacy editions are basically twofers with little of interest in the way of bonus tracks. That's some of it, and causes interest to wane. But it's not all of it. It's just one of those things that happens. At some point a director will use an Elvis soundtrack in a film, for example, and it will capture the imagination and Elvis will rise again.
One has to agree with this - but there is another side that needs to be explained, hopefully someone can.
I recall reading here a few months ago that Elvis was the 10th best selling artist on the Billboard catalogue charts in 2012, and if I recall rightly those above him were active acts eg, Adele, T Swift or recently departed Whitney Houston.
Many major acts did not appear in the top 10, no Stones, Dylan, J Z, Beyonce, Maria Carey, Madonna nor many other grade A artists dead or alive, active or inactive.
This needs explaining.
Fri Mar 15, 2013 6:15 pm
drjohncarpenter wrote:Mike Windgren wrote:It was explained to me by big record dealers on those Record Fairs that Elvis was never such a big hit on the East Coast he was more a Mid-West of USA hit. Then I understood why Elvis was so afraid of performing in New York.
Elvis was more of a hit in the Midwest? Those dealers fed you a line of hogwash
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Fri Mar 15, 2013 6:35 pm
sgoodyear62 wrote:My husband found a cool little used record store called "Grooves and Tubes" here in Delaware and we went today to check it out.Had LOTS of vinyl everything from jazz to grunge.Huge Beatles and Stones section.So here I am looking around for the Elvis section.Found a few albums in the "'50's vocals" section. "Pot Luck with Elvis", "Blue Hawaii" a few others. So my husband asks the owner "Where's your Elvis section at?" ..the owner says "Elvis doesn't sell too good here.That's why there is no Elvis section". I was shocked! and so was my hubby. We've hit a few Used record stores around here and it's all the same "Elvis doesn't sell!" I can't believe this is true! Has anyone else had this experience when visiting a used record store? I never thought i'd see a day like this come. Or is it only in Delaware?? We both spent about an hour looking around and then left in disgust. The thrill is gone visiting these places now.Both our combined Elvis collections will just age and rot I guess since no one wants Elvis around here !
Fri Mar 15, 2013 6:42 pm
Fri Mar 15, 2013 8:34 pm
Jaime1234 wrote:Let's take it optimistically. In 2006, Elvis didn't appear in the top 20 list of Soundscan catalog artists. The leader was the Beatles. The next to last time i saw, and that was in 2007, he was now inside the Top 20. The Beatles, still on top. Then, last year, he was inside the top 15, landing at 14. The Beatles still on top. And this year, he's went inside the top 12, landing at number 11, the Beatles still on top. Same with the RIAA, in terms of albums. In 2007, as was the case in 2010, and even now, it's the Beatles, followed by Elvis, 99 percent of nthe time, with Garth Brooks getting ahead of Elvis once in that period, but the period being very short, as Elvis bounced back to second place real quickly. It's the Beatles and Elvis, in alnums, and Elvis and the Beatles, in singles sales in the US and the4 UK, the world's two largest markets. When you add all the countries of the world, only they, Elvis and the Beatles, can reach a billion units of singles, albums, and boxes.
Fri Mar 15, 2013 9:20 pm
poormadpeter wrote:I don't know is the answer.
poormadpeter wrote:prince for another planet...possibly
poormadpeter wrote: A boy From Tupelo might well have got that interest in Elvis stirred up in Elvis again (at least amongst rock music lovers) had it been released in stores,
poormadpeter wrote:That eye-opening release to spark interest just hasn't been there.
Fri Mar 15, 2013 10:20 pm
Brian Quinn wrote:Jaime1234 wrote:Let's take it optimistically. In 2006, Elvis didn't appear in the top 20 list of Soundscan catalog artists. The leader was the Beatles. The next to last time i saw, and that was in 2007, he was now inside the Top 20. The Beatles, still on top. Then, last year, he was inside the top 15, landing at 14. The Beatles still on top. And this year, he's went inside the top 12, landing at number 11, the Beatles still on top. Same with the RIAA, in terms of albums. In 2007, as was the case in 2010, and even now, it's the Beatles, followed by Elvis, 99 percent of nthe time, with Garth Brooks getting ahead of Elvis once in that period, but the period being very short, as Elvis bounced back to second place real quickly. It's the Beatles and Elvis, in alnums, and Elvis and the Beatles, in singles sales in the US and the4 UK, the world's two largest markets. When you add all the countries of the world, only they, Elvis and the Beatles, can reach a billion units of singles, albums, and boxes.
Hi Jaime,
Billboard’s 2012 Year End Catalog Artists
1. Whitney Houston
2. Adele
3. Taylor Swift
4. Eminem
5. The Black Keys
6. Lady Antebellum
7. Florence + The Machine
8. Guns n' Roses
9. Zac Brown Band
10. ELVIS PRESLEY
Brian
Sat Mar 16, 2013 1:58 am
Sat Mar 16, 2013 2:18 am
joshferrell wrote:Brian Quinn wrote:Jaime1234 wrote:Let's take it optimistically. In 2006, Elvis didn't appear in the top 20 list of Soundscan catalog artists. The leader was the Beatles. The next to last time i saw, and that was in 2007, he was now inside the Top 20. The Beatles, still on top. Then, last year, he was inside the top 15, landing at 14. The Beatles still on top. And this year, he's went inside the top 12, landing at number 11, the Beatles still on top. Same with the RIAA, in terms of albums. In 2007, as was the case in 2010, and even now, it's the Beatles, followed by Elvis, 99 percent of nthe time, with Garth Brooks getting ahead of Elvis once in that period, but the period being very short, as Elvis bounced back to second place real quickly. It's the Beatles and Elvis, in alnums, and Elvis and the Beatles, in singles sales in the US and the4 UK, the world's two largest markets. When you add all the countries of the world, only they, Elvis and the Beatles, can reach a billion units of singles, albums, and boxes.
Hi Jaime,
Billboard’s 2012 Year End Catalog Artists
1. Whitney Houston
2. Adele
3. Taylor Swift
4. Eminem
5. The Black Keys
6. Lady Antebellum
7. Florence + The Machine
8. Guns n' Roses
9. Zac Brown Band
10. ELVIS PRESLEY
Brian
Interesting that there is no Beach Boys or Stones since they both celebrated 50 years last year
Sat Mar 16, 2013 3:17 am
joshferrell wrote:I had that happen in Boulder Colorado awhile back, of course the crowd in Boulder is more hippy and preppy and the hippies are more into the grateful dead, the beatles and Bob marley, and the preppys are more into jazz . so this one local record store didn't have any Elvis at all and I asked him why and he said he doesn't sell around these parts..so there you go.. I think there's a class thing that may be going on as well..
Sat Mar 16, 2013 7:40 pm
Sat Mar 16, 2013 8:02 pm
Shakin48 wrote:but what annoys me these days is when I look for Elvis CDs in Dutch record shops is that all I see are CDs with songs that are in Public Domain with shitty covers for just a couple of euros. No quality products or whatsoever.
Sat Mar 16, 2013 8:19 pm
sweetangeline wrote:Shakin48 wrote:but what annoys me these days is when I look for Elvis CDs in Dutch record shops is that all I see are CDs with songs that are in Public Domain with shitty covers for just a couple of euros. No quality products or whatsoever.
nice description. and I totally agree, most Elvis PD releases suck big time!!
Sat Mar 16, 2013 8:32 pm
eligain wrote:joshferrell wrote:I had that happen in Boulder Colorado awhile back, of course the crowd in Boulder is more hippy and preppy and the hippies are more into the grateful dead, the beatles and Bob marley, and the preppys are more into jazz . so this one local record store didn't have any Elvis at all and I asked him why and he said he doesn't sell around these parts..so there you go.. I think there's a class thing that may be going on as well..
Boulder used to have a great used record store on Pearl Street that had a great big Elvis vinyl section and many rarities behind the counter. Don't know if they moved or went out of business last year. In Denver there is Twist And Shout Records. They have a big Elvis vinyl album section and a big Elvis singles and ep section. They even have many of the old vinyl bootlegs.
Sat Mar 16, 2013 8:49 pm
sweetangeline wrote:Shakin48 wrote:but what annoys me these days is when I look for Elvis CDs in Dutch record shops is that all I see are CDs with songs that are in Public Domain with shitty covers for just a couple of euros. No quality products or whatsoever.
nice description. and I totally agree, most Elvis PD releases suck big time!!
Sat Mar 16, 2013 9:12 pm
sweetangeline wrote:poormadpeter wrote:I don't know is the answer.
probably no more than ELVIS 75 GOOD ROCKIN` TONIGHT.poormadpeter wrote:prince for another planet...possibly
absolutelypoormadpeter wrote: A boy From Tupelo might well have got that interest in Elvis stirred up in Elvis again (at least amongst rock music lovers) had it been released in stores,
it will be...just a different version, hence my comments about upcoming releases between 2014 - 2017poormadpeter wrote:That eye-opening release to spark interest just hasn't been there.
be patient...there all coming...eventually
Sat Mar 16, 2013 9:13 pm
zolderopruiming1 wrote:According to the producers of these PD titles, they sell quite well because they are very cheap and people want to have some hits without having to pay full price.
Sat Mar 16, 2013 9:17 pm
joshferrell wrote:eligain wrote:joshferrell wrote:I had that happen in Boulder Colorado awhile back, of course the crowd in Boulder is more hippy and preppy and the hippies are more into the grateful dead, the beatles and Bob marley, and the preppys are more into jazz . so this one local record store didn't have any Elvis at all and I asked him why and he said he doesn't sell around these parts..so there you go.. I think there's a class thing that may be going on as well..
Boulder used to have a great used record store on Pearl Street that had a great big Elvis vinyl section and many rarities behind the counter. Don't know if they moved or went out of business last year. In Denver there is Twist And Shout Records. They have a big Elvis vinyl album section and a big Elvis singles and ep section. They even have many of the old vinyl bootlegs.
if you're talking about Barts cd cellar, yeah they went out of business, yeah they had a great selection, they also had great deals on dvds and box sets..
Sat Mar 16, 2013 11:04 pm
Sat Mar 16, 2013 11:32 pm
r&b wrote:sweetangeline wrote:poormadpeter wrote:I don't know is the answer.
probably no more than ELVIS 75 GOOD ROCKIN` TONIGHT.poormadpeter wrote:prince for another planet...possibly
absolutelypoormadpeter wrote: A boy From Tupelo might well have got that interest in Elvis stirred up in Elvis again (at least amongst rock music lovers) had it been released in stores,
it will be...just a different version, hence my comments about upcoming releases between 2014 - 2017poormadpeter wrote:That eye-opening release to spark interest just hasn't been there.
be patient...there all coming...eventually
An eye-opening release? If you are talking any of the Elvis masters, they have been out there for 50 years in all types of diff releases so why would they matter again now repackaged? What could stir up interest (and the purists will hate this) is to present Elvis' music in a newer modern fashion and by that I mean strip everything off but the vocal and put modern arrangements on them because lets face it, they sound dated to young music buyers today. Maybe a duet album with todays top stars and I don't mean country stars (think Adele, Gaga, etc). Should be mostly unknown songs like ALLC instead of the classics. Back it with a huge promo campaign and I guarantee people would take notice. For the folks that hate this idea, you always have your masters to play. Viva Elvis was awful, it must be better than that!
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