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Re: Elvis doing 2 shows a day on tour was crazy.

Sun Jan 20, 2013 11:15 am

People are different. Even when Elvis was barely more than a boy, there were two incidents where he passed out, one in '55, another in '56. Once, directly in front of Bill Black, another with the Carter Family. I believe in both cases, he was hospitalized. (He tried to minimize the incident with the Carters, but the hospital kept him, and they paid the bill. It's in Helen Carter's book.) Perhaps he was just wasn't constitutionally strong enough for that kind of work. It really is a very different kind of work than other "manual labor," and the stress of being on stage is a major factor. The stress of being in front of large numbers of people can be quite extreme, and very draining. And it depends on the person, as to how they deal with it physically, and emotionally.

I've taught since the '80s, and there's a MAJOR difference in doing essentially the same thing without "an audience" (small groups in an office, for instance), than in getting in front of a large group of people, especially at night. You're totally hopped up for hours afterwards, and also completely drained. After you get used to it, you calm down and it's much easier to sleep, but it's still very draining. The stress hormones flow and flow, and you can fly through anything, and then when it's over, boom! It's not like "bricklaying" or whatever. Ask anyone who does such work, and they'll describe it to you. But, of course, people are different.

In his case, though that's part of it - since he did always have quite a bit of stage fright, I'd say it's true that not-working is worst of all. And is more energy-draining than anything. And when you start to repeat yourself, that's a kind of "not-working," and it's really a spirit-killer. And "spirit" is what one needs to get up there in front of people to do one's thing. People can be very good at things that they are just not "wired-up" for, physically, psychologically, emotionally.

rjm (Look at my current avatar: ever feel like Elvis looks there? Like he's reached the end of the steps, and then just slumps down by the wall? He looks overwhelmed.)
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Re: Elvis doing 2 shows a day on tour was crazy.

Sun Jan 20, 2013 11:19 am

Good post rjm

Re: Elvis doing 2 shows a day on tour was crazy.

Sun Jan 20, 2013 11:26 am

Let's count 1976 and 1977 from march 1976 to june 1977: in this period Elvis did close to 200 concerts. Except January 1977, Elvis was on tour every month. He was a very sick man but the Colonel put him in a frenetic schedule and overworked him. These are facts from statistic, not personal views.

Re: Elvis doing 2 shows a day on tour was crazy.

Sun Jan 20, 2013 12:46 pm

jurasic1968 wrote:Let's count 1976 and 1977 from march 1976 to june 1977: in this period Elvis did close to 200 concerts. Except January 1977, Elvis was on tour every month. He was a very sick man but the Colonel put him in a frenetic schedule and overworked him. These are facts from statistic, not personal views.


Elvis working in 1976 and 1977:
(source: All shook up, Elvis day by day 1954-1977 by Lee Cotten and not from the mind of people who are programmed to say The Colonel overworked Elvis)

January 1976: no work
February 1976: recording for 5 days at Graceland, remainder of the month no work, just fun
March 1976: concert tour, the first since July 1975, from March 17 to March 22. Remainder of the month no work, just fun.
So the first quarter of 1976 Elvis worked 10 days out of 90.

April 1976: concert tour from April 21 to April 27 plus opening at the Sahara Tahoe on April 30. This month Elvis worked 8 days out of 30.
May 1976: Sahara Tahoe opened April 30 and ended May 9. Touring from May 27 onwards. Elvis worked 15 days out of 31.
June 1976: Tour ended June 6, new tour starts on June 25. Elvis worked 12 days out of 30.
Second quarter of 1976 Elvis worked 35 days out of 91.

July 1976: touring continued until July 5. Next tour started July 23. Elvis worked 14 days out of 31.
August 1976: touring continued until August 5. Tour number 6 starts August 27. Elvis worked 10 days out of 31.
September 1976: touring continued until September 8.
Third quarter of 1976 Elvis worked 32 days out of 92.

October 1976: touring from October 14 to October 27. Sessions at Graceland on October 30 & 31. Elvis worked 16 days out of 31.
November 1976: touring from November 24 to November 30. Elvis worked 7 days out of 30.
December 1976: Las Vegas shows from December 2 to December 12 plus touring December 27 to December 31. Elvis worked 16 days out of 31.
Fourth quarter of 1976 Elvis worked 16 days out of 31.

In 1976 Elvis worked 93 days.

January 1977: no work!
February 1977: touring from February 12 to February 21. Elvis worked 10 days out of 28.
March 1977: touring from March 23 to March 30. Elvis worked 8 days out of 31. There was a concert scheduled for March 31 but Elvis flew back to Memphis being ill.
First quarter 1977 Elvis worked 18 days out of 90.

April 1977: touring from April 21 to April 30. Elvis worked 10 days out of 30.
May 1977: touring continued from May 1 to May 3. Another tour from May 20 to May 31. Elvis worked 15 days out of 31.
June 1977: touring continued from June 1 to June 2, Final tour from June 17 to June 26. Elvis worked 12 days out of 30.
Second quarter of 1977 Elvis worked 37 days out of 91.

July 1977: no work!
August 1-16: no work!

In 1977 Elvis worked 55 days out of 227 days.

Please let me know where and when Elvis was overworked!?!

Re: Elvis doing 2 shows a day on tour was crazy.

Sun Jan 20, 2013 12:52 pm

rjm wrote:People are different. Even when Elvis was barely more than a boy, there were two incidents where he passed out, one in '55, another in '56. Once, directly in front of Bill Black, another with the Carter Family. I believe in both cases, he was hospitalized. (He tried to minimize the incident with the Carters, but the hospital kept him, and they paid the bill. It's in Helen Carter's book.) Perhaps he was just wasn't constitutionally strong enough for that kind of work. It really is a very different kind of work than other "manual labor," and the stress of being on stage is a major factor. The stress of being in front of large numbers of people can be quite extreme, and very draining. And it depends on the person, as to how they deal with it physically, and emotionally.

I've taught since the '80s, and there's a MAJOR difference in doing essentially the same thing without "an audience" (small groups in an office, for instance), than in getting in front of a large group of people, especially at night. You're totally hopped up for hours afterwards, and also completely drained. After you get used to it, you calm down and it's much easier to sleep, but it's still very draining. The stress hormones flow and flow, and you can fly through anything, and then when it's over, boom! It's not like "bricklaying" or whatever. Ask anyone who does such work, and they'll describe it to you. But, of course, people are different.

In his case, though that's part of it - since he did always have quite a bit of stage fright, I'd say it's true that not-working is worst of all. And is more energy-draining than anything. And when you start to repeat yourself, that's a kind of "not-working," and it's really a spirit-killer. And "spirit" is what one needs to get up there in front of people to do one's thing. People can be very good at things that they are just not "wired-up" for, physically, psychologically, emotionally.

rjm (Look at my current avatar: ever feel like Elvis looks there? Like he's reached the end of the steps, and then just slumps down by the wall? He looks overwhelmed.)

Best post of the entire topic.

Re: Elvis doing 2 shows a day on tour was crazy.

Sun Jan 20, 2013 1:01 pm

Matt Ashton wrote:
poormadpeter wrote:Well, I can only he hope he sang better after shows than he did during them, or the experience would have been miserable for all concerned.

Even so, in 1976 Elvis performed approx 125 shows. Let's add in to that the time spent doing the jungle room sessions. That still means he got over 200 days off that year. In 1974 he was doing 2 shows a day for the most part - but was only on stage for less than a hundred days. That's 250 days off. He wasn't in the studio, he rarely rehearsed.

Of course acts today don't generally perform that much, but then their time in the studio is often much longer because of the way the recording process is done now, they certainly rehearse for their tours, they do TV chat shows, guest appearance, make videos, and they tour the world not just the USA. While they may only record one album every two years, they still have to do all the publicity events for that album in each country as it comes out.

While Justin Bieber is performing on about 65 dates between now and august, that involves travelling to 18 countries, and no doubt a number of television guest spots, chat shows, radio interviews, press interviews in each country, and maybe even tv specials. It's pretty certain his days off over the next eight months will be very few. It also goes without saying that each show will be rehearsed in each venue, and will be considerably longer and energetic than any show Presley did.


Great post succinctly put.

Some would have you believe that Elvis worked harder, faster & better than the good lord himself! No matter what evidence or reasonable theory you put forward these guys will simply not agree smt136


No it's not.

Why are we arguing about who puts on the most energetic show or works harder? I started this thread and it was about the wisdom of having Elvis do 2 shows a day on tour, not because of the physical demand of it but more about the psychological toll it probably took getting up for a show then coming down only to have to get up for a show again. It also fueled his drug intake.

I don't think Elvis was a natural performer. He admitted in EOT that he has stage fright before every show so it probably took a lot out of him after every show.

Re: Elvis doing 2 shows a day on tour was crazy.

Sun Jan 20, 2013 4:39 pm

promiseland wrote:
rjm wrote:People are different. Even when Elvis was barely more than a boy, there were two incidents where he passed out, one in '55, another in '56. Once, directly in front of Bill Black, another with the Carter Family. I believe in both cases, he was hospitalized. (He tried to minimize the incident with the Carters, but the hospital kept him, and they paid the bill. It's in Helen Carter's book.) Perhaps he was just wasn't constitutionally strong enough for that kind of work. It really is a very different kind of work than other "manual labor," and the stress of being on stage is a major factor. The stress of being in front of large numbers of people can be quite extreme, and very draining. And it depends on the person, as to how they deal with it physically, and emotionally.

I've taught since the '80s, and there's a MAJOR difference in doing essentially the same thing without "an audience" (small groups in an office, for instance), than in getting in front of a large group of people, especially at night. You're totally hopped up for hours afterwards, and also completely drained. After you get used to it, you calm down and it's much easier to sleep, but it's still very draining. The stress hormones flow and flow, and you can fly through anything, and then when it's over, boom! It's not like "bricklaying" or whatever. Ask anyone who does such work, and they'll describe it to you. But, of course, people are different.

In his case, though that's part of it - since he did always have quite a bit of stage fright, I'd say it's true that not-working is worst of all. And is more energy-draining than anything. And when you start to repeat yourself, that's a kind of "not-working," and it's really a spirit-killer. And "spirit" is what one needs to get up there in front of people to do one's thing. People can be very good at things that they are just not "wired-up" for, physically, psychologically, emotionally.

rjm (Look at my current avatar: ever feel like Elvis looks there? Like he's reached the end of the steps, and then just slumps down by the wall? He looks overwhelmed.)

Best post of the entire topic.


Just to add to this excellent post, remember in the 68 comeback when he sang If I Can Dream, on completion of that brilliant performance he was absolutely drained, barely being able to speak. Not everybody is the same!!

Re: Elvis doing 2 shows a day on tour was crazy.

Sun Jan 20, 2013 4:41 pm

zolderopruiming1 wrote:
jurasic1968 wrote:Let's count 1976 and 1977 from march 1976 to june 1977: in this period Elvis did close to 200 concerts. Except January 1977, Elvis was on tour every month. He was a very sick man but the Colonel put him in a frenetic schedule and overworked him. These are facts from statistic, not personal views.


Elvis working in 1976 and 1977:
(source: All shook up, Elvis day by day 1954-1977 by Lee Cotten and not from the mind of people who are programmed to say The Colonel overworked Elvis)

January 1976: no work
February 1976: recording for 5 days at Graceland, remainder of the month no work, just fun
March 1976: concert tour, the first since July 1975, from March 17 to March 22. Remainder of the month no work, just fun.
So the first quarter of 1976 Elvis worked 10 days out of 90.

April 1976: concert tour from April 21 to April 27 plus opening at the Sahara Tahoe on April 30. This month Elvis worked 8 days out of 30.
May 1976: Sahara Tahoe opened April 30 and ended May 9. Touring from May 27 onwards. Elvis worked 15 days out of 31.
June 1976: Tour ended June 6, new tour starts on June 25. Elvis worked 12 days out of 30.
Second quarter of 1976 Elvis worked 35 days out of 91.

July 1976: touring continued until July 5. Next tour started July 23. Elvis worked 14 days out of 31.
August 1976: touring continued until August 5. Tour number 6 starts August 27. Elvis worked 10 days out of 31.
September 1976: touring continued until September 8.
Third quarter of 1976 Elvis worked 32 days out of 92.

October 1976: touring from October 14 to October 27. Sessions at Graceland on October 30 & 31. Elvis worked 16 days out of 31.
November 1976: touring from November 24 to November 30. Elvis worked 7 days out of 30.
December 1976: Las Vegas shows from December 2 to December 12 plus touring December 27 to December 31. Elvis worked 16 days out of 31.
Fourth quarter of 1976 Elvis worked 16 days out of 31.

In 1976 Elvis worked 93 days.

January 1977: no work!
February 1977: touring from February 12 to February 21. Elvis worked 10 days out of 28.
March 1977: touring from March 23 to March 30. Elvis worked 8 days out of 31. There was a concert scheduled for March 31 but Elvis flew back to Memphis being ill.
First quarter 1977 Elvis worked 18 days out of 90.

April 1977: touring from April 21 to April 30. Elvis worked 10 days out of 30.
May 1977: touring continued from May 1 to May 3. Another tour from May 20 to May 31. Elvis worked 15 days out of 31.
June 1977: touring continued from June 1 to June 2, Final tour from June 17 to June 26. Elvis worked 12 days out of 30.
Second quarter of 1977 Elvis worked 37 days out of 91.

July 1977: no work!
August 1-16: no work!

In 1977 Elvis worked 55 days out of 227 days.

Please let me know where and when Elvis was overworked!?!


You are talking about a period of Elvis' life when arguably he shouldn't have been working at all. He needed time off, not to work more!

Re: Elvis doing 2 shows a day on tour was crazy.

Sun Jan 20, 2013 4:46 pm

Joe Car wrote:
zolderopruiming1 wrote:
jurasic1968 wrote:Let's count 1976 and 1977 from march 1976 to june 1977: in this period Elvis did close to 200 concerts. Except January 1977, Elvis was on tour every month. He was a very sick man but the Colonel put him in a frenetic schedule and overworked him. These are facts from statistic, not personal views.


Elvis working in 1976 and 1977:
(source: All shook up, Elvis day by day 1954-1977 by Lee Cotten and not from the mind of people who are programmed to say The Colonel overworked Elvis)

January 1976: no work
February 1976: recording for 5 days at Graceland, remainder of the month no work, just fun
March 1976: concert tour, the first since July 1975, from March 17 to March 22. Remainder of the month no work, just fun.
So the first quarter of 1976 Elvis worked 10 days out of 90.

April 1976: concert tour from April 21 to April 27 plus opening at the Sahara Tahoe on April 30. This month Elvis worked 8 days out of 30.
May 1976: Sahara Tahoe opened April 30 and ended May 9. Touring from May 27 onwards. Elvis worked 15 days out of 31.
June 1976: Tour ended June 6, new tour starts on June 25. Elvis worked 12 days out of 30.
Second quarter of 1976 Elvis worked 35 days out of 91.

July 1976: touring continued until July 5. Next tour started July 23. Elvis worked 14 days out of 31.
August 1976: touring continued until August 5. Tour number 6 starts August 27. Elvis worked 10 days out of 31.
September 1976: touring continued until September 8.
Third quarter of 1976 Elvis worked 32 days out of 92.

October 1976: touring from October 14 to October 27. Sessions at Graceland on October 30 & 31. Elvis worked 16 days out of 31.
November 1976: touring from November 24 to November 30. Elvis worked 7 days out of 30.
December 1976: Las Vegas shows from December 2 to December 12 plus touring December 27 to December 31. Elvis worked 16 days out of 31.
Fourth quarter of 1976 Elvis worked 16 days out of 31.

In 1976 Elvis worked 93 days.

January 1977: no work!
February 1977: touring from February 12 to February 21. Elvis worked 10 days out of 28.
March 1977: touring from March 23 to March 30. Elvis worked 8 days out of 31. There was a concert scheduled for March 31 but Elvis flew back to Memphis being ill.
First quarter 1977 Elvis worked 18 days out of 90.

April 1977: touring from April 21 to April 30. Elvis worked 10 days out of 30.
May 1977: touring continued from May 1 to May 3. Another tour from May 20 to May 31. Elvis worked 15 days out of 31.
June 1977: touring continued from June 1 to June 2, Final tour from June 17 to June 26. Elvis worked 12 days out of 30.
Second quarter of 1977 Elvis worked 37 days out of 91.

July 1977: no work!
August 1-16: no work!

In 1977 Elvis worked 55 days out of 227 days.

Please let me know where and when Elvis was overworked!?!


You are talking about a period of Elvis' life when arguably he shouldn't have been working at all. He needed time off, not to work more!


Elvis took nearly three months off prior to the first tour of 76, and had a similar amount of time off prior to december 75, and again prior to March 75. If Elvis was ill, it was due to drugs, not what Jurassic calls a "frenetic schedule". The problem here wasn't how much Elvis was performing, but the boredom of performing in the same places.

Returning to the original post, 2 shows a day was not crazy. It was the norm at the time - most artists of Elvis's ilk did the same.

Re: Elvis doing 2 shows a day on tour was crazy.

Sun Jan 20, 2013 4:54 pm

poormadpeter wrote:
Joe Car wrote:
zolderopruiming1 wrote:
jurasic1968 wrote:Let's count 1976 and 1977 from march 1976 to june 1977: in this period Elvis did close to 200 concerts. Except January 1977, Elvis was on tour every month. He was a very sick man but the Colonel put him in a frenetic schedule and overworked him. These are facts from statistic, not personal views.


Elvis working in 1976 and 1977:
(source: All shook up, Elvis day by day 1954-1977 by Lee Cotten and not from the mind of people who are programmed to say The Colonel overworked Elvis)

January 1976: no work
February 1976: recording for 5 days at Graceland, remainder of the month no work, just fun
March 1976: concert tour, the first since July 1975, from March 17 to March 22. Remainder of the month no work, just fun.
So the first quarter of 1976 Elvis worked 10 days out of 90.

April 1976: concert tour from April 21 to April 27 plus opening at the Sahara Tahoe on April 30. This month Elvis worked 8 days out of 30.
May 1976: Sahara Tahoe opened April 30 and ended May 9. Touring from May 27 onwards. Elvis worked 15 days out of 31.
June 1976: Tour ended June 6, new tour starts on June 25. Elvis worked 12 days out of 30.
Second quarter of 1976 Elvis worked 35 days out of 91.

July 1976: touring continued until July 5. Next tour started July 23. Elvis worked 14 days out of 31.
August 1976: touring continued until August 5. Tour number 6 starts August 27. Elvis worked 10 days out of 31.
September 1976: touring continued until September 8.
Third quarter of 1976 Elvis worked 32 days out of 92.

October 1976: touring from October 14 to October 27. Sessions at Graceland on October 30 & 31. Elvis worked 16 days out of 31.
November 1976: touring from November 24 to November 30. Elvis worked 7 days out of 30.
December 1976: Las Vegas shows from December 2 to December 12 plus touring December 27 to December 31. Elvis worked 16 days out of 31.
Fourth quarter of 1976 Elvis worked 16 days out of 31.

In 1976 Elvis worked 93 days.

January 1977: no work!
February 1977: touring from February 12 to February 21. Elvis worked 10 days out of 28.
March 1977: touring from March 23 to March 30. Elvis worked 8 days out of 31. There was a concert scheduled for March 31 but Elvis flew back to Memphis being ill.
First quarter 1977 Elvis worked 18 days out of 90.

April 1977: touring from April 21 to April 30. Elvis worked 10 days out of 30.
May 1977: touring continued from May 1 to May 3. Another tour from May 20 to May 31. Elvis worked 15 days out of 31.
June 1977: touring continued from June 1 to June 2, Final tour from June 17 to June 26. Elvis worked 12 days out of 30.
Second quarter of 1977 Elvis worked 37 days out of 91.

July 1977: no work!
August 1-16: no work!

In 1977 Elvis worked 55 days out of 227 days.

Please let me know where and when Elvis was overworked!?!


You are talking about a period of Elvis' life when arguably he shouldn't have been working at all. He needed time off, not to work more!


Elvis took nearly three months off prior to the first tour of 76, and had a similar amount of time off prior to december 75, and again prior to March 75. If Elvis was ill, it was due to drugs, not what Jurassic calls a "frenetic schedule". The problem here wasn't how much Elvis was performing, but the boredom of performing in the same places.

Returning to the original post, 2 shows a day was not crazy. It was the norm at the time - most artists of Elvis's ilk did the same.


He was ill, you know this and not just from drugs. Either way, Elvis never complained about doing the two a days. As a matter of fact, he did 3 shows to close the August-Sept 1972 Vegas season.

Re: Elvis doing 2 shows a day on tour was crazy.

Sun Jan 20, 2013 5:33 pm

Joe Car wrote:
He was ill, you know this and not just from drugs. Either way, Elvis never complained about doing the two a days. As a matter of fact, he did 3 shows to close the August-Sept 1972 Vegas season.


Two a day was NORMAL for what he was doing. It wasn't like he was doing something different to everybody else. What you are suggesting is that Elvis never complained for doing normal working hours for his trade. How ludicrous does that sound?

Re: Elvis doing 2 shows a day on tour was crazy.

Sun Jan 20, 2013 5:49 pm

Let it go....

Re: Elvis doing 2 shows a day on tour was crazy.

Sun Jan 20, 2013 5:57 pm

I agree...let it GO!!! Does the original poster think he could have done sny better if he were trying to manage Elvis Presley. Shoot, two shows (and sometimes three or four) are commonplace for some artists nowadays.


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Re: Elvis doing 2 shows a day on tour was crazy.

Sun Jan 20, 2013 6:11 pm

Tony Trout wrote:I agree...let it GO!!! Does the original poster think he could have done sny better if he were trying to manage Elvis Presley. Shoot, two shows (and sometimes three or four) are commonplace for some artists nowadays.


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Are you talking full shows or a performance of a few songs? Because I really wouldn't know any artist nowadays. Could you give an example?

Re: Elvis doing 2 shows a day on tour was crazy.

Sun Jan 20, 2013 6:21 pm

Wiebe wrote:
Tony Trout wrote:I agree...let it GO!!! Does the original poster think he could have done sny better if he were trying to manage Elvis Presley. Shoot, two shows (and sometimes three or four) are commonplace for some artists nowadays.


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Are you talking full shows or a performance of a few songs? Because I really wouldn't know any artist nowadays. Could you give an example?




Actually, I may have misled my own self. I was referring to full shows. The only one I could think of that MIGHT pull off doing three shows a day would be someone like Garth Brooks (who just recently finished a run in Las Vegas before Tim McGraw and Faith Hill came there with their shows. I apologize.......

Re: Elvis doing 2 shows a day on tour was crazy.

Sun Jan 20, 2013 8:07 pm

Joe Car wrote:
zolderopruiming1 wrote:
jurasic1968 wrote:Let's count 1976 and 1977 from march 1976 to june 1977: in this period Elvis did close to 200 concerts. Except January 1977, Elvis was on tour every month. He was a very sick man but the Colonel put him in a frenetic schedule and overworked him. These are facts from statistic, not personal views.


Elvis working in 1976 and 1977:
(source: All shook up, Elvis day by day 1954-1977 by Lee Cotten and not from the mind of people who are programmed to say The Colonel overworked Elvis)

January 1976: no work
February 1976: recording for 5 days at Graceland, remainder of the month no work, just fun
March 1976: concert tour, the first since July 1975, from March 17 to March 22. Remainder of the month no work, just fun.
So the first quarter of 1976 Elvis worked 10 days out of 90.

April 1976: concert tour from April 21 to April 27 plus opening at the Sahara Tahoe on April 30. This month Elvis worked 8 days out of 30.
May 1976: Sahara Tahoe opened April 30 and ended May 9. Touring from May 27 onwards. Elvis worked 15 days out of 31.
June 1976: Tour ended June 6, new tour starts on June 25. Elvis worked 12 days out of 30.
Second quarter of 1976 Elvis worked 35 days out of 91.

July 1976: touring continued until July 5. Next tour started July 23. Elvis worked 14 days out of 31.
August 1976: touring continued until August 5. Tour number 6 starts August 27. Elvis worked 10 days out of 31.
September 1976: touring continued until September 8.
Third quarter of 1976 Elvis worked 32 days out of 92.

October 1976: touring from October 14 to October 27. Sessions at Graceland on October 30 & 31. Elvis worked 16 days out of 31.
November 1976: touring from November 24 to November 30. Elvis worked 7 days out of 30.
December 1976: Las Vegas shows from December 2 to December 12 plus touring December 27 to December 31. Elvis worked 16 days out of 31.
Fourth quarter of 1976 Elvis worked 16 days out of 31.

In 1976 Elvis worked 93 days.

January 1977: no work!
February 1977: touring from February 12 to February 21. Elvis worked 10 days out of 28.
March 1977: touring from March 23 to March 30. Elvis worked 8 days out of 31. There was a concert scheduled for March 31 but Elvis flew back to Memphis being ill.
First quarter 1977 Elvis worked 18 days out of 90.

April 1977: touring from April 21 to April 30. Elvis worked 10 days out of 30.
May 1977: touring continued from May 1 to May 3. Another tour from May 20 to May 31. Elvis worked 15 days out of 31.
June 1977: touring continued from June 1 to June 2, Final tour from June 17 to June 26. Elvis worked 12 days out of 30.
Second quarter of 1977 Elvis worked 37 days out of 91.

July 1977: no work!
August 1-16: no work!

In 1977 Elvis worked 55 days out of 227 days.

Please let me know where and when Elvis was overworked!?!


You are talking about a period of Elvis' life when arguably he shouldn't have been working at all. He needed time off, not to work more!


Excellent point... I'll add... Elvis doing any shows a day on tour was crazy.

From an EIN interview in 2005 with Lamar Fike...

EIN..."Do you feel the Vegas schedule of 4 weeks with 2 shows a night contributed to Elvis' physical and emotional decline in the 1970's?"

Lamar... "Absolutely. It sapped his motivation and desire to perform. Nobody goes to Vegas and plays four weeks anymore, they usually only do a week. Four weeks is a marathon and the repetition of cramming 60 shows into that period can be really monotonous and mind and body sapping."

EIN... "A few days before Elvis died you had an almost prophetic conversation with Joe Esposito. Can you share it with us?"

Lamar... "I'd been talking to Elvis and he told me he was tired and didn't feel good. I told him he could cancel the tour but he said he needed the money. What he really needed was a long break, six months in Hawaii or Europe or something. I suggested that to him but he felt obligated."


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Re: Elvis doing 2 shows a day on tour was crazy.

Sun Jan 20, 2013 9:05 pm

eligain wrote:
Matt Ashton wrote:
poormadpeter wrote:Well, I can only he hope he sang better after shows than he did during them, or the experience would have been miserable for all concerned.

Even so, in 1976 Elvis performed approx 125 shows. Let's add in to that the time spent doing the jungle room sessions. That still means he got over 200 days off that year. In 1974 he was doing 2 shows a day for the most part - but was only on stage for less than a hundred days. That's 250 days off. He wasn't in the studio, he rarely rehearsed.

Of course acts today don't generally perform that much, but then their time in the studio is often much longer because of the way the recording process is done now, they certainly rehearse for their tours, they do TV chat shows, guest appearance, make videos, and they tour the world not just the USA. While they may only record one album every two years, they still have to do all the publicity events for that album in each country as it comes out.

While Justin Bieber is performing on about 65 dates between now and august, that involves travelling to 18 countries, and no doubt a number of television guest spots, chat shows, radio interviews, press interviews in each country, and maybe even tv specials. It's pretty certain his days off over the next eight months will be very few. It also goes without saying that each show will be rehearsed in each venue, and will be considerably longer and energetic than any show Presley did.


Great post succinctly put.

Some would have you believe that Elvis worked harder, faster & better than the good lord himself! No matter what evidence or reasonable theory you put forward these guys will simply not agree smt136


eligain wrote:No it's not.


Don't you ever get tired of being rude?

eligain wrote:Why are we arguing about who puts on the most energetic show or works harder?


I quoted and provided information what other entertainers do and have to put up with nowadays compared to what Elvis did in the 1970's which directly links into your original post and you have responded with little other than a handful of weak explanations and rudeness. If you don't like the answer, don't ask the question!

eligain wrote:I started this thread and it was about the wisdom of having Elvis do 2 shows a day on tour, not because of the physical demand of it but more about the psychological toll it probably took getting up for a show then coming down only to have to get up for a show again. It also fueled his drug intake.


I will quote your original post...

eligain wrote:I can see the 2 shows a night in Vegas. Most performers were doing that in the 50's 60's and 70's but 2 shows a day on tour just seems nuts. I can't recall that being the norm for any other performers. Was this a country thing? I saw Johnny Cash at a Saturday afternoon show in the 80's. Don't know if he had an evening show or not but it was weird going to a concert in the afternoon.


Clearly you memory evades you, you didn't mention any of the following in your original post as you have later alluded too:-

physical demand
psychological toll
drug intake

However it was asked:-

Pete Dube wrote:
Matt Ashton wrote: Elvis didn't have all the pressures that entertainers have today.


How is it different today?


I have responded, as have others. Clearly you are not ready to hear a reasonable hypothesis appertaining to your original inquiry.

Re: Elvis doing 2 shows a day on tour was crazy.

Sun Jan 20, 2013 9:23 pm

Pete Dube wrote:Matt, the point I've been trying to make isn't that Elvis worked harder than anyone else. It's that, in the years 69-72 the standard was different! When you talk about the Elvis of 76-77 nobody would argue that isn't the man at his worse. But you can't compare the Elvis of 69-72 (let alone the Elvis of 76-77) to Bruce or Macca of today. You've got to compare him to the major artists of that period: The Stones; CCR; Neil Diamond; Tom Jones (arguably the most valid comparison). How long were the shows of these artists in these years? Heck, toss in Lennon at the Garden in '72. Those are the reasonable comparisons. Look, I witnessed Springsteen on the 1978 Darkness On The Edge Of Town tour, arguably the greatest live shows by a rock & roll artist ever. I say unequivacally that on that tour Bruce Springsteen was the king of rock & roll. But it would be invalid to compare Bruce on that tour to Elvis in 69-72 because by 1978 the standard had changed! (And Springsteen was largely responsible for changing it.)


I said that Elvis didn't have the same stresses and strains that other artists have today with modern media etc, I agree you cannot compare different artists equally as there are different factors to take into consideration. However it is reasonable to question was Elvis capable of doing two shows when necessary! Given what other artist provided back then and now we can reasonably deduct (Genetics haven't changed in humans much in 4 decades) that a human, even one with stage freight would be capable.

The sad and inescapable truth is Elvis was more than capable but due to his dependency on prescription drugs and the apathy they induced, it robbed him of the will/ability.

Looking at some of the responses on this thread there is a predisposition to make excuses for Elvis (I can see why, he was awesome) but this is not a personal attack on the people on this board, but some respond as if I have spat on them...

Re: Elvis doing 2 shows a day on tour was crazy.

Sun Jan 20, 2013 9:33 pm

Again the talk about drugs: why don't you understand that Elvis had serious phisical ilnesses from 1973 on? He had an enlarged heart, hepathitis, glaucoma, a high blood pressure, a high collesterol and a twisted colon. I am not denying he abused prescription drugs but by August 1975 he was a very sick man. And in 1976-1977 his health got worse. So to think how lazy and how few concerts did from March 1976 to June 1977 (almost 200 as I wrote before) it's nonsense.

Re: Elvis doing 2 shows a day on tour was crazy.

Sun Jan 20, 2013 9:40 pm

EPA4368 wrote:Four weeks is a marathon and the repetition of cramming 60 shows into that period can be really monotonous and mind and body sapping."[/i]



Really? Because I'd bet anything that virtually anybody who works in a factory, or an office, or does manual labour, could tell Lamar just what monotony is and how it saps the mind and body with considerably more experience behind them than a man who has to cope with it for four weeks.

Re: Elvis doing 2 shows a day on tour was crazy.

Sun Jan 20, 2013 9:52 pm

poormadpeter wrote:
EPA4368 wrote:Four weeks is a marathon and the repetition of cramming 60 shows into that period can be really monotonous and mind and body sapping."[/i]



Really? Because I'd bet anything that virtually anybody who works in a factory, or an office, or does manual labour, could tell Lamar just what monotony is and how it saps the mind and body with considerably more experience behind them than a man who has to cope with it for four weeks.


Be that as it may the endless cycle of Vegas shows could have started to take it's toll on Elvis at some point.

2 shows a night in Vegas for a month straight and two months out of the year.

It could have have helped increase his dependency on uppers and sleeping pills and been hard on Elvis like Lamar said.

Elvis did play a lot of shows in Las Vegas.

Re: Elvis doing 2 shows a day on tour was crazy.

Sun Jan 20, 2013 10:09 pm

Matt Ashton wrote:
eligain wrote:
Matt Ashton wrote:
poormadpeter wrote:Well, I can only he hope he sang better after shows than he did during them, or the experience would have been miserable for all concerned.

Even so, in 1976 Elvis performed approx 125 shows. Let's add in to that the time spent doing the jungle room sessions. That still means he got over 200 days off that year. In 1974 he was doing 2 shows a day for the most part - but was only on stage for less than a hundred days. That's 250 days off. He wasn't in the studio, he rarely rehearsed.

Of course acts today don't generally perform that much, but then their time in the studio is often much longer because of the way the recording process is done now, they certainly rehearse for their tours, they do TV chat shows, guest appearance, make videos, and they tour the world not just the USA. While they may only record one album every two years, they still have to do all the publicity events for that album in each country as it comes out.

While Justin Bieber is performing on about 65 dates between now and august, that involves travelling to 18 countries, and no doubt a number of television guest spots, chat shows, radio interviews, press interviews in each country, and maybe even tv specials. It's pretty certain his days off over the next eight months will be very few. It also goes without saying that each show will be rehearsed in each venue, and will be considerably longer and energetic than any show Presley did.


Great post succinctly put.

Some would have you believe that Elvis worked harder, faster & better than the good lord himself! No matter what evidence or reasonable theory you put forward these guys will simply not agree smt136


eligain wrote:No it's not.


Don't you ever get tired of being rude?

eligain wrote:Why are we arguing about who puts on the most energetic show or works harder?


I quoted and provided information what other entertainers do and have to put up with nowadays compared to what Elvis did in the 1970's which directly links into your original post and you have responded with little other than a handful of weak explanations and rudeness. If you don't like the answer, don't ask the question!

eligain wrote:I started this thread and it was about the wisdom of having Elvis do 2 shows a day on tour, not because of the physical demand of it but more about the psychological toll it probably took getting up for a show then coming down only to have to get up for a show again. It also fueled his drug intake.


I will quote your original post...

eligain wrote:I can see the 2 shows a night in Vegas. Most performers were doing that in the 50's 60's and 70's but 2 shows a day on tour just seems nuts. I can't recall that being the norm for any other performers. Was this a country thing? I saw Johnny Cash at a Saturday afternoon show in the 80's. Don't know if he had an evening show or not but it was weird going to a concert in the afternoon.


Clearly you memory evades you, you didn't mention any of the following in your original post as you have later alluded too:-

physical demand
psychological toll
drug intake

However it was asked:-

Pete Dube wrote:
Matt Ashton wrote: Elvis didn't have all the pressures that entertainers have today.


How is it different today?


I have responded, as have others. Clearly you are not ready to hear a reasonable hypothesis appertaining to your original inquiry.


I asked the question, was it normal for a star of Elvis's stature in the 70's (arguably the biggest music star in the world) to be doing 2 shows a day. To me, it seems crazy that some one as big as Elvis had to have such a hectic schedule, whether he worked only 93 days or not. When he was working his schedule seemed too grueling for someone as big and established as him. In that question I am alluding to the psychological toll and of course the increased drug use. I didn't think I needed to spell those out. They are a given. It seems that his schedule should have been more slower paced when he was on tour. I also wondered if it was the norm for any other performers at the time. I don't think it was. I don't recall any other performers like McCartney, Neil Diamond, Led Zepplin, etc. doing an afternoon and evening show the same day. If there was high ticket demand they would add a second show the next night, not an afternoon show the same day. Like I said, except for seeing Johnny Cash on a Sunday afternoon in the 80's, I have never been to a afternoon concert. That just seems strange. Vegas seemed more logical; a dinner show at 7:30 and then a midnight show.

After that you came up with all these things about stars having to do talk shows and videos and how it's so much harder for stars today than for Elvis which I don't agree. You also floated some lame theory on how Elvis was much more protected that todays stars which I clearly debunked. Stars today (even lower wrung stars) have publicists, agents, professional assistants, professional accountants and full time attorneys. All Elvis had was the Colonel. Elvis was really under represented compared to today's stars.

So I will ask the question again; Was there any stars at or near Elvis's stature doing 2 shows a day (a afternoon and evening show) in the 70's ?

BTW; telling someone they are wrong about something is not being rude.

Re: Elvis doing 2 shows a day on tour was crazy.

Sun Jan 20, 2013 10:23 pm

eligain wrote:I asked the question, was it normal for a star of Elvis's stature in the 70's (arguably the biggest music star in the world) to be doing 2 shows a day. To me, it seems crazy that some one as big as Elvis had to have such a hectic schedule, whether he worked only 93 days or not. When he was working his schedule seemed too grueling for someone as big and established as him. In that question I am alluding to the psychological toll and of course the increased drug use. I didn't think I needed to spell those out. They are a given. It seems that his schedule should have been more slower paced when he was on tour. I also wondered if it was the norm for any other performers at the time. I don't think it was. I don't recall any other performers like McCartney, Neil Diamond, Led Zepplin, etc. doing an afternoon and evening show the same day. If there was high ticket demand they would add a second show the next night, not an afternoon show the same day. Like I said, except for seeing Johnny Cash on a Sunday afternoon in the 80's, I have never been to a afternoon concert. That just seems strange. Vegas seemed more logical; a dinner show at 7:30 and then a midnight show.

After that you came up with all these things about stars having to do talk shows and videos and how it's so much harder for stars today than for Elvis which I don't agree. You also floated some lame theory on how Elvis was much more protected that todays stars which I clearly debunked. Stars today (even lower wrung stars) have publicists, agents, professional assistants, professional accountants and full time attorneys. All Elvis had was the Colonel. Elvis was really under represented compared to today's stars.

So I will ask the question again; Was there any stars at or near Elvis's stature doing 2 shows a day (a afternoon and evening show) in the 70's ?

BTW; telling someone they are wrong about something is not being rude.


Wrong on ALL counts, Nothing debunked!

Re: Elvis doing 2 shows a day on tour was crazy.

Sun Jan 20, 2013 11:10 pm

eligain wrote:
Matt Ashton wrote:
eligain wrote:
Matt Ashton wrote:
poormadpeter wrote:Well, I can only he hope he sang better after shows than he did during them, or the experience would have been miserable for all concerned.

Even so, in 1976 Elvis performed approx 125 shows. Let's add in to that the time spent doing the jungle room sessions. That still means he got over 200 days off that year. In 1974 he was doing 2 shows a day for the most part - but was only on stage for less than a hundred days. That's 250 days off. He wasn't in the studio, he rarely rehearsed.

Of course acts today don't generally perform that much, but then their time in the studio is often much longer because of the way the recording process is done now, they certainly rehearse for their tours, they do TV chat shows, guest appearance, make videos, and they tour the world not just the USA. While they may only record one album every two years, they still have to do all the publicity events for that album in each country as it comes out.

While Justin Bieber is performing on about 65 dates between now and august, that involves travelling to 18 countries, and no doubt a number of television guest spots, chat shows, radio interviews, press interviews in each country, and maybe even tv specials. It's pretty certain his days off over the next eight months will be very few. It also goes without saying that each show will be rehearsed in each venue, and will be considerably longer and energetic than any show Presley did.


Great post succinctly put.

Some would have you believe that Elvis worked harder, faster & better than the good lord himself! No matter what evidence or reasonable theory you put forward these guys will simply not agree smt136


eligain wrote:No it's not.


Don't you ever get tired of being rude?

eligain wrote:Why are we arguing about who puts on the most energetic show or works harder?


I quoted and provided information what other entertainers do and have to put up with nowadays compared to what Elvis did in the 1970's which directly links into your original post and you have responded with little other than a handful of weak explanations and rudeness. If you don't like the answer, don't ask the question!

eligain wrote:I started this thread and it was about the wisdom of having Elvis do 2 shows a day on tour, not because of the physical demand of it but more about the psychological toll it probably took getting up for a show then coming down only to have to get up for a show again. It also fueled his drug intake.


I will quote your original post...

eligain wrote:I can see the 2 shows a night in Vegas. Most performers were doing that in the 50's 60's and 70's but 2 shows a day on tour just seems nuts. I can't recall that being the norm for any other performers. Was this a country thing? I saw Johnny Cash at a Saturday afternoon show in the 80's. Don't know if he had an evening show or not but it was weird going to a concert in the afternoon.


Clearly you memory evades you, you didn't mention any of the following in your original post as you have later alluded too:-

physical demand
psychological toll
drug intake

However it was asked:-

Pete Dube wrote:
Matt Ashton wrote: Elvis didn't have all the pressures that entertainers have today.


How is it different today?


I have responded, as have others. Clearly you are not ready to hear a reasonable hypothesis appertaining to your original inquiry.


I asked the question, was it normal for a star of Elvis's stature in the 70's (arguably the biggest music star in the world) to be doing 2 shows a day. To me, it seems crazy that some one as big as Elvis had to have such a hectic schedule, whether he worked only 93 days or not. When he was working his schedule seemed too grueling for someone as big and established as him. In that question I am alluding to the psychological toll and of course the increased drug use. I didn't think I needed to spell those out. They are a given. It seems that his schedule should have been more slower paced when he was on tour. I also wondered if it was the norm for any other performers at the time. I don't think it was. I don't recall any other performers like McCartney, Neil Diamond, Led Zepplin, etc. doing an afternoon and evening show the same day. If there was high ticket demand they would add a second show the next night, not an afternoon show the same day. Like I said, except for seeing Johnny Cash on a Sunday afternoon in the 80's, I have never been to a afternoon concert. That just seems strange. Vegas seemed more logical; a dinner show at 7:30 and then a midnight show.

After that you came up with all these things about stars having to do talk shows and videos and how it's so much harder for stars today than for Elvis which I don't agree. You also floated some lame theory on how Elvis was much more protected that todays stars which I clearly debunked. Stars today (even lower wrung stars) have publicists, agents, professional assistants, professional accountants and full time attorneys. All Elvis had was the Colonel. Elvis was really under represented compared to today's stars.

So I will ask the question again; Was there any stars at or near Elvis's stature doing 2 shows a day (a afternoon and evening show) in the 70's ?

BTW; telling someone they are wrong about something is not being rude.


Sinatra was doing two shows a night in Vegas and he was approaching sixty during the period you are discussing. In 1975, the year he turned sixty, he performed approximately 100 concerts in countries including American, UK, Israel and Iran (more travelling required than a tour bus). He also ventured into the studio on at least six occasions. In the same year he was also the host of a TV special paying tribute to Orson Welles, was the co-host of the Oscars, and made at least four appearances on american TV (probably more) including 22 songs during that year's telethon.

In 1977, he did 125 shows (often two a night in Vegas and Westchester). 5 recording sessions, hosted a TV tribute to John Wayne, had his own TV special, hosted the Tonight show on at least one occasions and appeared on 4 other TV shows.

Re: Elvis doing 2 shows a day on tour was crazy.

Sun Jan 20, 2013 11:16 pm

Matt Ashton wrote:
eligain wrote:I asked the question, was it normal for a star of Elvis's stature in the 70's (arguably the biggest music star in the world) to be doing 2 shows a day. To me, it seems crazy that some one as big as Elvis had to have such a hectic schedule, whether he worked only 93 days or not. When he was working his schedule seemed too grueling for someone as big and established as him. In that question I am alluding to the psychological toll and of course the increased drug use. I didn't think I needed to spell those out. They are a given. It seems that his schedule should have been more slower paced when he was on tour. I also wondered if it was the norm for any other performers at the time. I don't think it was. I don't recall any other performers like McCartney, Neil Diamond, Led Zepplin, etc. doing an afternoon and evening show the same day. If there was high ticket demand they would add a second show the next night, not an afternoon show the same day. Like I said, except for seeing Johnny Cash on a Sunday afternoon in the 80's, I have never been to a afternoon concert. That just seems strange. Vegas seemed more logical; a dinner show at 7:30 and then a midnight show.

After that you came up with all these things about stars having to do talk shows and videos and how it's so much harder for stars today than for Elvis which I don't agree. You also floated some lame theory on how Elvis was much more protected that todays stars which I clearly debunked. Stars today (even lower wrung stars) have publicists, agents, professional assistants, professional accountants and full time attorneys. All Elvis had was the Colonel. Elvis was really under represented compared to today's stars.

So I will ask the question again; Was there any stars at or near Elvis's stature doing 2 shows a day (a afternoon and evening show) in the 70's ?

BTW; telling someone they are wrong about something is not being rude.



Wrong on ALL counts, Nothing debunked!



So Elvis was being so well protected by the Colonel when all the unflattering photos of him were splashed all over the tabloid and movie magazine covers on display in every supermarket check out line, drugstore and newsstand around the world in 75, 76, 77 and beyond? Was he so well protected if covers like the National Lampoon were able to come out making him a national joke? Was he so well protected if Elvis What Happened was allowed to come out or his picture in his casket was able to be published on the cover of the National Enquirer? So how was Elvis so much more protected than today's stars? Do tell!