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Jackie

Fri Dec 07, 2012 7:20 am

I've just watched PFAP and it is obvious the New York audience didn't like Jackie Kahane.
Has anyone heard Jackie's routine or even had the pleasure of seeing him life as part of Elvis' show. If so, what was he like and what was the crowd reaction?
From what I've heard he didn't seem very funny and was probably more in tune with a Vegas audience than a 20,000 seat stadium.

Re: Jackie

Fri Dec 07, 2012 7:22 am

Jackie wasn't even funny for the average Vegas crowd.

Re: Jackie

Fri Dec 07, 2012 7:38 am

SuspiciousMind wrote:Jackie wasn't even funny for the average Vegas crowd.


And he'd dress like "Huggy Bear"

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Re: Jackie

Fri Dec 07, 2012 8:01 am

rickeap wrote:I've just watched PFAP and it is obvious the New York audience didn't like Jackie Kahane.
Has anyone heard Jackie's routine or even had the pleasure of seeing him life as part of Elvis' show. If so, what was he like and what was the crowd reaction?
From what I've heard he didn't seem very funny and was probably more in tune with a Vegas audience than a 20,000 seat stadium.

http://www.elvis-collectors.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=73580&p=1106704&#p1106704

Re: Jackie

Fri Dec 07, 2012 8:08 am

You guys are way too harsh. He was pretty funny if you hadn't seen him, though he was no headliner. I saw him with Elvis a number of times and he was pretty tedious the third or fourth time, but so were the Inspirations or Voice.

What happened in New York and elsewhere is the show started with The Sweet Inspirations and audiences weren't used to multiple opening acts. After they were done and then Jackie was announced, the tension for Elvis was so strong the audience could hardly stand it. After an audible groan, Jackie would come out and the people would usually be polite and actually laugh at his jokes sometimes. In New York they weren't as nice and they booed him off the stage.

The first time I saw Elvis I felt sorry for Jackie because the people didn't want him, they wanted Elvis but he did a creditable job. The New York audience was just too rude to back off.

Re: Jackie

Fri Dec 07, 2012 8:33 am

stevelecher wrote:You guys are way too harsh. He was pretty funny if you hadn't seen him, though he was no headliner. I saw him with Elvis a number of times and he was pretty tedious the third or fourth time, but so were the Inspirations or Voice.

What happened in New York and elsewhere is the show started with The Sweet Inspirations and audiences weren't used to multiple opening acts. After they were done and then Jackie was announced, the tension for Elvis was so strong the audience could hardly stand it. After an audible groan, Jackie would come out and the people would usually be polite and actually laugh at his jokes sometimes. In New York they weren't as nice and they booed him off the stage.

The first time I saw Elvis I felt sorry for Jackie because the people didn't want him, they wanted Elvis but he did a creditable job. The New York audience was just too rude to back off.

If he had been reasonably funny, he wouldn't have been booed off the stage.

Re: Jackie

Fri Dec 07, 2012 8:50 am

Thanks Steve, interesting thoughts.
If he was tedious on multiple viewings, I assume he didn't do much to change his act.
I'd imagine that Elvis was a bit worried when (assuming he knew) the NY crowd booed Jackie.

Re: Jackie

Fri Dec 07, 2012 8:57 am

rickeap wrote:Thanks Steve, interesting thoughts.
If he was tedious on multiple viewings, I assume he didn't do much to change his act.
I'd imagine that Elvis was a bit worried when (assuming he knew) the NY crowd booed Jackie.

Yup.

http://www.elvis-collectors.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=73580&start=50#p1105595
http://www.elvis-collectors.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=73580&start=75#p1106392

Re: Jackie

Fri Dec 07, 2012 10:36 am

rickeap wrote:Thanks Steve, interesting thoughts.
If he was tedious on multiple viewings, I assume he didn't do much to change his act.
I'd imagine that Elvis was a bit worried when (assuming he knew) the NY crowd booed Jackie.


It begs the qusetion - Why did Elvis have a Bullshitter like that in his act at all ?

Re: Jackie

Fri Dec 07, 2012 10:44 am

Robt wrote:
rickeap wrote:Thanks Steve, interesting thoughts.
If he was tedious on multiple viewings, I assume he didn't do much to change his act.
I'd imagine that Elvis was a bit worried when (assuming he knew) the NY crowd booed Jackie.


It begs the qusetion - Why did Elvis have a Bullshitter like that in his act at all ?

Management liked his price.

Re: Jackie

Fri Dec 07, 2012 1:04 pm

For what it's worth I've worked in comedy promotion in my time and one of basic lessons there is that comedy rarely works after a music act. The problem being that music by its nature gets a crowd revved up to a certain degree but then suddenly they're supposed to drop down a few levels to listen to someone telling stories or jokes? It's not a universal rule as a celebrity comic following a band will command an automatic level of attention and maybe in Vegas where food was being served (and people need a laugh after losing a few bucks in the casino!) it could work more often than not - but bookers and comics hate gigs where the comedian follows and band or singer. So slamming the brakes onto the MSG crowd's night by having a Vegas type comic telling old fashioned jokes to a 'hip' New York crowd who were probably more used to seeing big name and modern comedians after the Sweets and the Stamps had already got them in the mood for the main event was always going to be a difficult ask. Wrong comedian, wrong crowd, wrong running order. Of course all of this depends on whether or not the booker (or the Colonel) even cared how Jackie's set was received. I suspect not. That's just my two cents for what it's worth.

Re: Jackie

Fri Dec 07, 2012 1:06 pm

Robt wrote:
rickeap wrote:Thanks Steve, interesting thoughts.
If he was tedious on multiple viewings, I assume he didn't do much to change his act.
I'd imagine that Elvis was a bit worried when (assuming he knew) the NY crowd booed Jackie.


It begs the qusetion - Why did Elvis have a Bullshitter like that in his act at all ?

All the more to appreciate Elvis - You don't think Elvis wanted someone who was going to steal the show do ya?

Re: Jackie

Fri Dec 07, 2012 2:31 pm

His act is preserved at least on this release. From what I remember, it was OK, nothing earth shattering, but pleasant enough.

Re: Jackie

Fri Dec 07, 2012 4:38 pm

drjohncarpenter wrote:
Robt wrote:
rickeap wrote:Thanks Steve, interesting thoughts.
If he was tedious on multiple viewings, I assume he didn't do much to change his act.
I'd imagine that Elvis was a bit worried when (assuming he knew) the NY crowd booed Jackie.


It begs the qusetion - Why did Elvis have a Bullshitter like that in his act at all ?

Management liked his price.


The Lene Reidel of his day then! :smt003

Re: Jackie

Fri Dec 07, 2012 5:52 pm

I saw Elvis a number of times in the 70's. I was a teenager then but thought Jackie was "OK." I wasn't there to hear a comedian I wanted to see Elvis. In the earlier shows of the 70's, the crowds were polite, but obviously restless, even noisy during his act. In Philly in 71, while the crowd was not necessarily rude, he did use the line, "There are 16,000 of you and only one of me." It leads me to think that this was part of his act more than a spontaneous response to the MSG crowd(?). As the years went on, the crowds seemed to know that he was part of the show and would be polite and not hostile, at least at the shows I attended. Overall, I give Jackie a lot of credit. Going out on stage before Elvis, you really have no chance. Personally, I thought he was OK.

rlj

Re: Jackie

Fri Dec 07, 2012 6:24 pm

As a couple of people and I said, Jackie was ok but not great. In my post, I was writing about my experience in Minneapolis in 1971 and the audience wanted Elvis so it was very difficult for Jackie but he was ok. Everyone knows how tough those east coast crowds are and apparently he had a rough time in Philly and New York.

What happened in New York, IMO, is more about the rudeness of that crowd and not the quality of Kahane's presentation. They wanted Elvis.

Re: Jackie

Fri Dec 07, 2012 10:52 pm

This is where the Colonel really faltered. A comedian really had no place in an arena show in the first place but especially before Elvis. But, if Elvis was going to have a comedian on tour, it certainly shouldn't have been some Catskills hack like Jackie. For the same price or cheaper he could have had a hip up coming comedian who was actually funny. It's also what he should have had in Vegas since it was pretty standard to have a comedian in Vegas. I've seen Tom Jones 5 times and in 78, 82 and 93 he had a hip up coming comedian. The 2 shows I saw after 93 there was no comedian opening. In 78, in Vegas, he had Jay Leno!. In 82 on the road, he had Arsenio Hall and in 93 he had George Wallace.

Any comedian would have jumped at the chance to open for Elvis. The ironic thing is, Jackie probably played to bigger audiences than any other comedian in the country!

Re: Jackie

Fri Dec 07, 2012 11:19 pm

stevelecher wrote:As a couple of people and I said, Jackie was ok but not great. In my post, I was writing about my experience in Minneapolis in 1971 and the audience wanted Elvis so it was very difficult for Jackie but he was ok. Everyone knows how tough those east coast crowds are and apparently he had a rough time in Philly and New York.

What happened in New York, IMO, is more about the rudeness of that crowd and not the quality of Kahane's presentation. They wanted Elvis.


Will someone put up on YT(or something like that) Jackie's MSG opening in it's entirity ? That'll be good for a few :lol:

Re: Jackie

Fri Dec 07, 2012 11:49 pm

That full 'Kahane gig' :wink: from memphis '75 gives an idea on his talents.
He has a few nice one liners but his job was being a warmup act, and you even get the feeling he was some kind of master of ceremony..

I can imagine the more polite part of the audience felt comfortable with the guy.

Worked pretty well in Memphis, you hear a good audience reaction even it's a soundboard.

Re: Jackie

Sat Dec 08, 2012 12:13 am

rlj4ep wrote:I saw Elvis a number of times in the 70's. I was a teenager then but thought Jackie was "OK." I wasn't there to hear a comedian I wanted to see Elvis. In the earlier shows of the 70's, the crowds were polite, but obviously restless, even noisy during his act. In Philly in 71, while the crowd was not necessarily rude, he did use the line, "There are 16,000 of you and only one of me." It leads me to think that this was part of his act more than a spontaneous response to the MSG crowd(?). As the years went on, the crowds seemed to know that he was part of the show and would be polite and not hostile, at least at the shows I attended. Overall, I give Jackie a lot of credit. Going out on stage before Elvis, you really have no chance. Personally, I thought he was OK.

rlj


Boy i dont remember him saying that in philly. But i do remember a restless crowd tingling with electricity and that any second Jackie could have beaten to death by the one of the toughest crowds in America, Btw Jackie was simply dreadful but when read some of his accounts about Lisa makes you think he was a really good guy.