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Re: My NO-nonsense mini review of Prince from another Planet

Wed Nov 28, 2012 3:54 am

luckyjackson1 wrote:
ekenee wrote:
luckyjackson1 wrote:Just once more: I think it's a overall nice package for a good price but the CD audio... to my ears Brauer f***ed it up - big time.

Can't wait for the 50th anniversary release in hope they'll get it right this time.


Geeze, it is weird how so many fans can hear different things.

Since so many think the sound is "brilliant", we are in the minority.

Of course, I recall how people went ape when E1 was released and thought it was just great.
And the sound on that thing really was bad.
I think people have a tendacy to rave about something just because it's new and different.

I wonder if history will be kind to this release.

Oveall it's a good release, but not bad.

The highlight for me is the footage.
Yeah, I think the footage is the highlight of the package. BTW, I've seen more complete versions of the press conference on youtube.
When I first listened to the sound sample of "You've Lost That Lovin' Feelin'" all my worst fears came true. I hoped that they were a hoax - unfortunately they weren't... :roll:


Yes the press conference has been seen in varying degrees of completeness over 40 years, and not one company has bothered to edit it together proper.

Re: My NO-nonsense mini review of Prince from another Planet

Wed Nov 28, 2012 4:02 am

ekenee wrote:Yes the press conference has been seen in varying degrees of completeness over 40 years, and not one company has bothered to edit it together proper.

Phoenix did.

Re: My NO-nonsense mini review of Prince from another Planet

Wed Nov 28, 2012 4:11 am

ekenee wrote:
luckyjackson1 wrote:
ekenee wrote:
luckyjackson1 wrote:Just once more: I think it's a overall nice package for a good price but the CD audio... to my ears Brauer f***ed it up - big time.

Can't wait for the 50th anniversary release in hope they'll get it right this time.


Geeze, it is weird how so many fans can hear different things.

Since so many think the sound is "brilliant", we are in the minority.

Of course, I recall how people went ape when E1 was released and thought it was just great.
And the sound on that thing really was bad.
I think people have a tendacy to rave about something just because it's new and different.

I wonder if history will be kind to this release.

Oveall it's a good release, but not bad.

The highlight for me is the footage.
Yeah, I think the footage is the highlight of the package. BTW, I've seen more complete versions of the press conference on youtube.
When I first listened to the sound sample of "You've Lost That Lovin' Feelin'" all my worst fears came true. I hoped that they were a hoax - unfortunately they weren't... :roll:


Yes the press conference has been seen in varying degrees of completeness over 40 years, and not one company has bothered to edit it together proper.


Indeed Ekenee, it's a bloody shame and outrage that even this time when Sony releases the 'ultimate' MSG box set they didn't even gather all the footage from ABC, NBC, Warner and put together the complete thing.
For crying out loud if it didn't get done this time we can kiss the chance of the complete conference ever emerging goodbye.
Many fans rave over the DVD in this package but I find it flawed in every sense, a small portion of the press conference, not even edited, not complete, shoddy 8mm footage, 40 minutes of black screen, not even putting the 3 songs filmed by NBC from opening night on it, a shallow documentary. Whomever is glad with it more power to you, but I find a shambles.

Re: My NO-nonsense mini review of Prince from another Planet

Wed Nov 28, 2012 4:24 am

'Shoddy' 8mm footage?

Re: My NO-nonsense mini review of Prince from another Planet

Wed Nov 28, 2012 4:28 am

Matthew wrote:'Shoddy' 8mm footage?


Quite clearly some people think that someone who went to the concert in 1972 with a camera tucked under their coat should have set up a tripod in the front row, filmed the entire concert (why didn't he take in 2 cameras so he could have changed film and not lost any footage of the show?), and actually forgotten the fact that they were there to see a once in a lifetime show themselves. I mean, what kind of fan is so selfish that he would not spend all his time filming instead of watching and enjoying the show? It's disgusting really that the guy filming didn't think ahead 40 years and realise we would all be watching his footage.

Re: My NO-nonsense mini review of Prince from another Planet

Wed Nov 28, 2012 4:41 am

poormadpeter wrote:
Matthew wrote:'Shoddy' 8mm footage?


Quite clearly some people think that someone who went to the concert in 1972 with a camera tucked under their coat should have set up a tripod in the front row, filmed the entire concert (why didn't he take in 2 cameras so he could have changed film and not lost any footage of the show?), and actually forgotten the fact that they were there to see a once in a lifetime show themselves. I mean, what kind of fan is so selfish that he would not spend all his time filming instead of watching and enjoying the show? It's disgusting really that the guy filming didn't think ahead 40 years and realise we would all be watching his footage.



You are right poormadpeter.So selfish.He should have bought tickets for all the shows and bought enough film to record the lot.Some people eh? Sheesh.Shoddy indeed

Re: My NO-nonsense mini review of Prince from another Planet

Wed Nov 28, 2012 5:28 am

Instead of using the shoddy 8mm footage they could have used the 3 songs from NBC, pro footage, they could have used the Jonas 16mm footage, much much better, but this probably cost too much, so they went with the shoddy fragments of songs. What a shambles. And to top it off we got 40 minutes of black screen, nobody thought of filling this with stills or anything?

I mean, I don't find it odd that most record stores only had a couple of copies in stock. Can you imagine the rampage that would have followed if they'd had plenty and the more general Elvis fan would have bought it? 'Hey man, something's wrong with my DVD, I only get fragments of shoddy fan film and 40 minutes of black screen'. Wise decision to keep it low profile.

Re: My NO-nonsense mini review of Prince from another Planet

Wed Nov 28, 2012 5:33 am

Simon1 wrote:Instead of using the shoddy 8mm footage they could have used the 3 songs from NBC, pro footage, they could have used the Jonas 16mm footage, much much better, but this probably cost too much, so they went with the shoddy fragments of songs. What a shambles. And to top it off we got 40 minutes of black screen, nobody thought of filling this with stills or anything?

I mean, I don't find it odd that most record stores only had a couple of copies in stock. Can you imagine the rampage that would have followed if they'd had plenty and the more general Elvis fan would have bought it? 'Hey man, something's wrong with my DVD, I only get fragments of shoddy fan film and 40 minutes of black screen'. Wise decision to keep it low profile.


If they had changed the screen to yellow instead of black, would that have been better do you think?

Re: My NO-nonsense mini review of Prince from another Planet

Wed Nov 28, 2012 5:38 am

poormadpeter wrote:
Simon1 wrote:Instead of using the shoddy 8mm footage they could have used the 3 songs from NBC, pro footage, they could have used the Jonas 16mm footage, much much better, but this probably cost too much, so they went with the shoddy fragments of songs. What a shambles. And to top it off we got 40 minutes of black screen, nobody thought of filling this with stills or anything?

I mean, I don't find it odd that most record stores only had a couple of copies in stock. Can you imagine the rampage that would have followed if they'd had plenty and the more general Elvis fan would have bought it? 'Hey man, something's wrong with my DVD, I only get fragments of shoddy fan film and 40 minutes of black screen'. Wise decision to keep it low profile.


If they had changed the screen to yellow instead of black, would that have been better do you think?


Don't give up your day job.

Re: My NO-nonsense mini review of Prince from another Planet

Wed Nov 28, 2012 5:52 am

Simon1 wrote:
poormadpeter wrote:
Simon1 wrote:Instead of using the shoddy 8mm footage they could have used the 3 songs from NBC, pro footage, they could have used the Jonas 16mm footage, much much better, but this probably cost too much, so they went with the shoddy fragments of songs. What a shambles. And to top it off we got 40 minutes of black screen, nobody thought of filling this with stills or anything?

I mean, I don't find it odd that most record stores only had a couple of copies in stock. Can you imagine the rampage that would have followed if they'd had plenty and the more general Elvis fan would have bought it? 'Hey man, something's wrong with my DVD, I only get fragments of shoddy fan film and 40 minutes of black screen'. Wise decision to keep it low profile.


If they had changed the screen to yellow instead of black, would that have been better do you think?


Don't give up your day job.


Ditto. Sony managed to produce a deluxe package, with a 20 minute documentary, very nice booklet, 2 remixed concerts over 2 cds as well as the new 8mm footage and footage of the press conference. All that for 25% less than the price of a single soundboard concert from FTD. To me that sounds like a bargain.

Re: My NO-nonsense mini review of Prince from another Planet

Wed Nov 28, 2012 6:07 am

poormadpeter wrote:
Simon1 wrote:
poormadpeter wrote:
Simon1 wrote:Instead of using the shoddy 8mm footage they could have used the 3 songs from NBC, pro footage, they could have used the Jonas 16mm footage, much much better, but this probably cost too much, so they went with the shoddy fragments of songs. What a shambles. And to top it off we got 40 minutes of black screen, nobody thought of filling this with stills or anything?

I mean, I don't find it odd that most record stores only had a couple of copies in stock. Can you imagine the rampage that would have followed if they'd had plenty and the more general Elvis fan would have bought it? 'Hey man, something's wrong with my DVD, I only get fragments of shoddy fan film and 40 minutes of black screen'. Wise decision to keep it low profile.


If they had changed the screen to yellow instead of black, would that have been better do you think?


Don't give up your day job.


Ditto. Sony managed to produce a deluxe package, with a 20 minute documentary, very nice booklet, 2 remixed concerts over 2 cds as well as the new 8mm footage and footage of the press conference. All that for 25% less than the price of a single soundboard concert from FTD. To me that sounds like a bargain.


As I already stated before I think the CD's sound wonderful, I praised the booklet and packaging.
I only wasn't as flabbergasted with the DVD as many are. No big deal Peter.

Re: My NO-nonsense mini review of Prince from another Planet

Wed Nov 28, 2012 9:43 am

JimmyCool wrote:
ekenee wrote:Yes the press conference has been seen in varying degrees of completeness over 40 years, and not one company has bothered to edit it together proper.

Phoenix did.


What is Phoenix?

I would like to know if this is really complete.

There are still questions on the transcription that I have never seen in video form.

Yes, I have seen 95% of the conference in various videos, but I am sceptical that the full thing is out there.

How do you get this Phoenix version?

Re: My NO-nonsense mini review of Prince from another Planet

Wed Nov 28, 2012 11:23 am

Simon1 wrote:
ekenee wrote:
luckyjackson1 wrote:
ekenee wrote:
luckyjackson1 wrote:Just once more: I think it's a overall nice package for a good price but the CD audio... to my ears Brauer f***ed it up - big time.

Can't wait for the 50th anniversary release in hope they'll get it right this time.


Geeze, it is weird how so many fans can hear different things.

Since so many think the sound is "brilliant", we are in the minority.

Of course, I recall how people went ape when E1 was released and thought it was just great.
And the sound on that thing really was bad.
I think people have a tendacy to rave about something just because it's new and different.

I wonder if history will be kind to this release.

Oveall it's a good release, but not bad.

The highlight for me is the footage.
Yeah, I think the footage is the highlight of the package. BTW, I've seen more complete versions of the press conference on youtube.
When I first listened to the sound sample of "You've Lost That Lovin' Feelin'" all my worst fears came true. I hoped that they were a hoax - unfortunately they weren't... :roll:


Yes the press conference has been seen in varying degrees of completeness over 40 years, and not one company has bothered to edit it together proper.


Indeed Ekenee, it's a bloody shame and outrage that even this time when Sony releases the 'ultimate' MSG box set they didn't even gather all the footage from ABC, NBC, Warner and put together the complete thing.
For crying out loud if it didn't get done this time we can kiss the chance of the complete conference ever emerging goodbye.
Many fans rave over the DVD in this package but I find it flawed in every sense, a small portion of the press conference, not even edited, not complete, shoddy 8mm footage, 40 minutes of black screen, not even putting the 3 songs filmed by NBC from opening night on it, a shallow documentary. Whomever is glad with it more power to you, but I find a shambles.


Why is the documentary shallow? I love it...

Re: My NO-nonsense mini review of Prince from another Planet

Wed Nov 28, 2012 12:31 pm

ekenee wrote:
JimmyCool wrote:
ekenee wrote:Yes the press conference has been seen in varying degrees of completeness over 40 years, and not one company has bothered to edit it together proper.

Phoenix did.


What is Phoenix?

I would like to know if this is really complete.

There are still questions on the transcription that I have never seen in video form.

Yes, I have seen 95% of the conference in various videos, but I am sceptical that the full thing is out there.

How do you get this Phoenix version?



This was the one it was the best MSG Dvd to date the complete press was on there but with a few little tricks
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Re: My NO-nonsense mini review of Prince from another Planet

Wed Nov 28, 2012 2:38 pm

Simon1 wrote:
poormadpeter wrote:
Simon1 wrote:
poormadpeter wrote:
Simon1 wrote:Instead of using the shoddy 8mm footage they could have used the 3 songs from NBC, pro footage, they could have used the Jonas 16mm footage, much much better, but this probably cost too much, so they went with the shoddy fragments of songs. What a shambles. And to top it off we got 40 minutes of black screen, nobody thought of filling this with stills or anything?

I mean, I don't find it odd that most record stores only had a couple of copies in stock. Can you imagine the rampage that would have followed if they'd had plenty and the more general Elvis fan would have bought it? 'Hey man, something's wrong with my DVD, I only get fragments of shoddy fan film and 40 minutes of black screen'. Wise decision to keep it low profile.


If they had changed the screen to yellow instead of black, would that have been better do you think?


Don't give up your day job.


Ditto. Sony managed to produce a deluxe package, with a 20 minute documentary, very nice booklet, 2 remixed concerts over 2 cds as well as the new 8mm footage and footage of the press conference. All that for 25% less than the price of a single soundboard concert from FTD. To me that sounds like a bargain.


As I already stated before I think the CD's sound wonderful, I praised the booklet and packaging.
I only wasn't as flabbergasted with the DVD as many are. No big deal Peter.



No big deal? It's not that you weren't as "flabbergasted" with the DVD as some, you called it an "outrage", "flawed in every sense", "shoddy" and a "shambles".

Re: My NO-nonsense mini review of Prince from another Planet

Wed Nov 28, 2012 3:11 pm

For christ's sake, Peter, calm down. It's only a CD/DVD.

Just like I said: for that price it's alright. But I would have gladly paid more to get a better product. Well, maybe in 2022...

Re: My NO-nonsense mini review of Prince from another Planet

Wed Nov 28, 2012 3:26 pm

luckyjackson1 wrote:For christ's sake, Peter, calm down. It's only a CD/DVD.

Just like I said: for that price it's alright. But I would have gladly paid more to get a better product. Well, maybe in 2022...


But a higher price doesn't mean more revenue in order to pay for a better product. It probably means that more people would have opted for the cheaper Legacy Edition issue instead.

Re: My NO-nonsense mini review of Prince from another Planet

Wed Nov 28, 2012 3:39 pm

There is nothing wrong with the packaging but who ever thought it was a good ifdea to have the whole concert on the dvd with only limited footage and a blank screen for most of it must have been out late the night before! The DVD should have been done a bit better, the footage is great but its presented silly.

Re: My NO-nonsense mini review of Prince from another Planet

Wed Nov 28, 2012 3:51 pm

nod3million wrote:There is nothing wrong with the packaging but who ever thought it was a good ifdea to have the whole concert on the dvd with only limited footage and a blank screen for most of it must have been out late the night before! The DVD should have been done a bit better, the footage is great but its presented silly.


Why they didn't fill in those blanks with this guy Is beyond comprehension!
Damn Sony think next time!

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Re: My NO-nonsense mini review of Prince from another Planet

Wed Nov 28, 2012 9:37 pm

ekenee wrote:
JimmyCool wrote:
ekenee wrote:Yes the press conference has been seen in varying degrees of completeness over 40 years, and not one company has bothered to edit it together proper.

Phoenix did.

What is Phoenix?
I would like to know if this is really complete.
There are still questions on the transcription that I have never seen in video form.
Yes, I have seen 95% of the conference in various videos, but I am sceptical that the full thing is out there.
How do you get this Phoenix version?

Check this out, ekenee:
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=40896

It's one of my favorite DVDs.

Re: My NO-nonsense mini review of Prince from another Planet

Wed Nov 28, 2012 9:45 pm

JimmyCool wrote:
ekenee wrote:
JimmyCool wrote:
ekenee wrote:Yes the press conference has been seen in varying degrees of completeness over 40 years, and not one company has bothered to edit it together proper.

Phoenix did.

What is Phoenix?
I would like to know if this is really complete.
There are still questions on the transcription that I have never seen in video form.
Yes, I have seen 95% of the conference in various videos, but I am sceptical that the full thing is out there.
How do you get this Phoenix version?

Check this out, ekenee:
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=40896

It's one of my favorite DVDs.


Thanks, I don't recall this one, but since I don't really have a source for boot DVD's it's no wonder.
Looks like what Sony could have done if they choose to.

Re: My NO-nonsense mini review of Prince from another Planet

Thu Nov 29, 2012 12:07 am

ekenee wrote:
JimmyCool wrote:
ekenee wrote:
JimmyCool wrote:
ekenee wrote:Yes the press conference has been seen in varying degrees of completeness over 40 years, and not one company has bothered to edit it together proper.

Phoenix did.

What is Phoenix?
I would like to know if this is really complete.
There are still questions on the transcription that I have never seen in video form.
Yes, I have seen 95% of the conference in various videos, but I am sceptical that the full thing is out there.
How do you get this Phoenix version?

Check this out, ekenee:
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=40896

It's one of my favorite DVDs.


Thanks, I don't recall this one, but since I don't really have a source for boot DVD's it's no wonder.
Looks like what Sony could have done if they choose to.


Yes...so what's stopping them? Ah yes, that pesky matter of paying money for each and every scrap of footage that they would need to create an item like that...which bootleggers don't need to pay for...and that's providing they can even negotiate the rights to such footage.

I really and truly am bemused at the way this dvd footage and the package in general has been received by some. Yes, it has faults - most notably the Cd holders and the black screen. As for the remixes, well they are always going to split opinion. Against the vinyl of the 1972 album I think the current remixes sound remarkable - but if we all liked the same thing then the world would be a dull place.

BUT...for the first time in the Legacy edition series (which is what this is, even if for some reason it's not admitted on the packaging), Sony have actually put some thought into a release rather than throwing together a couple of albums and hoped it sells. Those who don't want remixes have also been catered for with the actual Legacy Edition - although they miss out on the DVD. The reception was always going to be mixed, not least because we are a spoilt bunch who want everything without ever taking into account the actual logistics. But for goodness sakes, folks, Sony are actually using their imagination with a mainstream Elvis product - and a 70s Elvis product at that. Make the most of it.

Re: My NO-nonsense mini review of Prince from another Planet

Thu Nov 29, 2012 12:44 am

poormadpeter wrote:
ekenee wrote:
JimmyCool wrote:
ekenee wrote:
JimmyCool wrote:
ekenee wrote:Yes the press conference has been seen in varying degrees of completeness over 40 years, and not one company has bothered to edit it together proper.

Phoenix did.

What is Phoenix?
I would like to know if this is really complete.
There are still questions on the transcription that I have never seen in video form.
Yes, I have seen 95% of the conference in various videos, but I am sceptical that the full thing is out there.
How do you get this Phoenix version?

Check this out, ekenee:
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=40896

It's one of my favorite DVDs.


Thanks, I don't recall this one, but since I don't really have a source for boot DVD's it's no wonder.
Looks like what Sony could have done if they choose to.


Yes...so what's stopping them? Ah yes, that pesky matter of paying money for each and every scrap of footage that they would need to create an item like that...which bootleggers don't need to pay for...and that's providing they can even negotiate the rights to such footage.

I really and truly am bemused at the way this dvd footage and the package in general has been received by some. Yes, it has faults - most notably the Cd holders and the black screen. As for the remixes, well they are always going to split opinion. Against the vinyl of the 1972 album I think the current remixes sound remarkable - but if we all liked the same thing then the world would be a dull place.

BUT...for the first time in the Legacy edition series (which is what this is, even if for some reason it's not admitted on the packaging), Sony have actually put some thought into a release rather than throwing together a couple of albums and hoped it sells. Those who don't want remixes have also been catered for with the actual Legacy Edition - although they miss out on the DVD. The reception was always going to be mixed, not least because we are a spoilt bunch who want everything without ever taking into account the actual logistics. But for goodness sakes, folks, Sony are actually using their imagination with a mainstream Elvis product - and a 70s Elvis product at that. Make the most of it.


You sure used some qualifiers in that paragraph.
I made the most of it, but at the same time I can see it's shortcomings.
I will not be blinded by a package just because it comes in a fancy wrapper.
If I, not being a record executive, can find ways to improve it,
then surely it can be improved upon.

If they don't want to spend money on a good product, then they won't produce a good product.
Doncha think they have made enough money on Elvis in the last 50 years?
They will always make money on Elvis.
But greed has set in, so if they don't make enough money then they will go cheap.

Maybe if they had taken the money they wasted on the ill concieved , "I am an Elvis fan"
album, and put it into the DVD of "Prince from another planet", we wouldn't be debating this.
GEEEEZE. It's not rocket science.

Re: My NO-nonsense mini review of Prince from another Planet

Thu Nov 29, 2012 1:29 am

ekenee wrote:
poormadpeter wrote:
ekenee wrote:
JimmyCool wrote:
ekenee wrote:
JimmyCool wrote:
ekenee wrote:Yes the press conference has been seen in varying degrees of completeness over 40 years, and not one company has bothered to edit it together proper.

Phoenix did.

What is Phoenix?
I would like to know if this is really complete.
There are still questions on the transcription that I have never seen in video form.
Yes, I have seen 95% of the conference in various videos, but I am sceptical that the full thing is out there.
How do you get this Phoenix version?

Check this out, ekenee:
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=40896

It's one of my favorite DVDs.


Thanks, I don't recall this one, but since I don't really have a source for boot DVD's it's no wonder.
Looks like what Sony could have done if they choose to.


Yes...so what's stopping them? Ah yes, that pesky matter of paying money for each and every scrap of footage that they would need to create an item like that...which bootleggers don't need to pay for...and that's providing they can even negotiate the rights to such footage.

I really and truly am bemused at the way this dvd footage and the package in general has been received by some. Yes, it has faults - most notably the Cd holders and the black screen. As for the remixes, well they are always going to split opinion. Against the vinyl of the 1972 album I think the current remixes sound remarkable - but if we all liked the same thing then the world would be a dull place.

BUT...for the first time in the Legacy edition series (which is what this is, even if for some reason it's not admitted on the packaging), Sony have actually put some thought into a release rather than throwing together a couple of albums and hoped it sells. Those who don't want remixes have also been catered for with the actual Legacy Edition - although they miss out on the DVD. The reception was always going to be mixed, not least because we are a spoilt bunch who want everything without ever taking into account the actual logistics. But for goodness sakes, folks, Sony are actually using their imagination with a mainstream Elvis product - and a 70s Elvis product at that. Make the most of it.


You sure used some qualifiers in that paragraph.
I made the most of it, but at the same time I can see it's shortcomings.
I will not be blinded by a package just because it comes in a fancy wrapper.
If I, not being a record executive, can find ways to improve it,
then surely it can be improved upon.

If they don't want to spend money on a good product, then they won't produce a good product.
Doncha think they have made enough money on Elvis in the last 50 years?
They will always make money on Elvis.
But greed has set in, so if they don't make enough money then they will go cheap.

Maybe if they had taken the money they wasted on the ill concieved , "I am an Elvis fan"
album, and put it into the DVD of "Prince from another planet", we wouldn't be debating this.
GEEEEZE. It's not rocket science.


But you're not a record executive, and you're clearly not viewing this from a business perspective. Sony owes us nothing - they have provided us with approx 200 hours of material through FTD over the last twelve years or so. They really have done more than their share in providing us with what we want.

Yes, I Am An Elvis Fan was ill-conceived. Tough. To them, Elvis best-ofs have a good track record, so they put money into it. There is logic there.

There is no logic in spending a huge amount getting footage from here there and everywhere to produce Prince, because they know that such products only sell X amount of copies - and no more. More money spent on it would require a higher price tag. It's a no win. As it is, it's a damn good product for the price involved.

People forget that Sony is a business, and not a charity for Elvis fans. They need to be able to make sure they are not only going to make their money back, but also that they will make a healthy profit. Otherwise it's not worth their time.

It's not rocket science.

Re: My NO-nonsense mini review of Prince from another Planet

Thu Nov 29, 2012 2:07 am

poormadpeter wrote:
ekenee wrote:
poormadpeter wrote:
ekenee wrote:
JimmyCool wrote:
ekenee wrote:
JimmyCool wrote:
ekenee wrote:Yes the press conference has been seen in varying degrees of completeness over 40 years, and not one company has bothered to edit it together proper.

Phoenix did.

What is Phoenix?
I would like to know if this is really complete.
There are still questions on the transcription that I have never seen in video form.
Yes, I have seen 95% of the conference in various videos, but I am sceptical that the full thing is out there.
How do you get this Phoenix version?

Check this out, ekenee:
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=40896

It's one of my favorite DVDs.


Thanks, I don't recall this one, but since I don't really have a source for boot DVD's it's no wonder.
Looks like what Sony could have done if they choose to.


Yes...so what's stopping them? Ah yes, that pesky matter of paying money for each and every scrap of footage that they would need to create an item like that...which bootleggers don't need to pay for...and that's providing they can even negotiate the rights to such footage.

I really and truly am bemused at the way this dvd footage and the package in general has been received by some. Yes, it has faults - most notably the Cd holders and the black screen. As for the remixes, well they are always going to split opinion. Against the vinyl of the 1972 album I think the current remixes sound remarkable - but if we all liked the same thing then the world would be a dull place.

BUT...for the first time in the Legacy edition series (which is what this is, even if for some reason it's not admitted on the packaging), Sony have actually put some thought into a release rather than throwing together a couple of albums and hoped it sells. Those who don't want remixes have also been catered for with the actual Legacy Edition - although they miss out on the DVD. The reception was always going to be mixed, not least because we are a spoilt bunch who want everything without ever taking into account the actual logistics. But for goodness sakes, folks, Sony are actually using their imagination with a mainstream Elvis product - and a 70s Elvis product at that. Make the most of it.


You sure used some qualifiers in that paragraph.
I made the most of it, but at the same time I can see it's shortcomings.
I will not be blinded by a package just because it comes in a fancy wrapper.
If I, not being a record executive, can find ways to improve it,
then surely it can be improved upon.

If they don't want to spend money on a good product, then they won't produce a good product.
Doncha think they have made enough money on Elvis in the last 50 years?
They will always make money on Elvis.
But greed has set in, so if they don't make enough money then they will go cheap.

Maybe if they had taken the money they wasted on the ill concieved , "I am an Elvis fan"
album, and put it into the DVD of "Prince from another planet", we wouldn't be debating this.
GEEEEZE. It's not rocket science.


But you're not a record executive, and you're clearly not viewing this from a business perspective. Sony owes us nothing - they have provided us with approx 200 hours of material through FTD over the last twelve years or so. They really have done more than their share in providing us with what we want.

Yes, I Am An Elvis Fan was ill-conceived. Tough. To them, Elvis best-ofs have a good track record, so they put money into it. There is logic there.

There is no logic in spending a huge amount getting footage from here there and everywhere to produce Prince, because they know that such products only sell X amount of copies - and no more. More money spent on it would require a higher price tag. It's a no win. As it is, it's a damn good product for the price involved.

People forget that Sony is a business, and not a charity for Elvis fans. They need to be able to make sure they are not only going to make their money back, but also that they will make a healthy profit. Otherwise it's not worth their time.

It's not rocket science.


No it not. We agree on that.

Bottomline is....they can't make enough money on it, so the product is not up to standard, because
they don't want to spend money on it, because they won't make enough money on it, so they won't sell that many,
so, the next time they will spend even less on a project, and then the next one sells even less.
You follow?
They put out a product that gets the review it deserves.

And might I point out, I wasn't that harsh on it.

So, all seems to be as it should in this universe.

You keep making excuses for this release.
Why?
A review is what is seen in front of you.
A reviewer of a movie doesn't cut the director slack, if the movie sucks,
just because it was made on a low budget.

So just accept it. This had a low budget and it shows.