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Thu Nov 15, 2012 11:01 pm
poormadpeter wrote:It has become one of the most over-performed, cliched and hackneyed songs over the last four decades, and this is surely because the simple lyrics of My Way mean something different to each different performer, and resonate with anyone who has struggled, fought, love, lost or simply lived. To say that the song has universal appeal is something of an understatement.
Thu Nov 15, 2012 11:20 pm
drjohncarpenter wrote:poormadpeter wrote:It has become one of the most over-performed, cliched and hackneyed songs over the last four decades, and this is surely because the simple lyrics of My Way mean something different to each different performer, and resonate with anyone who has struggled, fought, love, lost or simply lived. To say that the song has universal appeal is something of an understatement.
Not sure what you mean, but the simple fact is that "My Way" is a highly solipsistic ballad, which is why every egocentric singer on planet Earth to chose to perform or record it. And perhaps why so many embraced it. Of course it was perfect for Frank Sinatra, and unsurprising it swiftly became a "signature" song for him.
To be fair, Elvis' studio recording from 1971 shouldn't be up for any comparison, it was unfinished. His live renditions from 1972 on may be scrutinized, though. Despite the incongruity of Elvis Presley ever singing this tune, it is what it is. A non-fan will read it as "Vegas Elvis" all the way. And they are not wrong.
That said, any appreciation for Elvis and "My Way" would probably fall to the June 1977 recording released posthumously by RCA. Say what you will, but there is deep feeling in this performance -- the penultimate, by the way -- that outstrips his previously-known efforts.
Thu Nov 15, 2012 11:23 pm
drjohncarpenter wrote: That said, any appreciation for Elvis and "My Way" would probably fall to the June 1977 recording released posthumously by RCA. Say what you will, but there is deep feeling in this performance -- the penultimate, by the way -- that outstrips his previously-known efforts.
Thu Nov 15, 2012 11:50 pm
poormadpeter wrote:I'm not sure why Elvis singing this song is any less appropriate than him singing many other songs in his career.
Fri Nov 16, 2012 12:01 am
Fri Nov 16, 2012 12:06 am
drjohncarpenter wrote:poormadpeter wrote:I'm not sure why Elvis singing this song is any less appropriate than him singing many other songs in his career.
Because at his best, Elvis Presley's music was never maudlin.
As the '70s beckoned, Elvis should have applied himself to better, original material, not shopworn Sinatra covers.
Fri Nov 16, 2012 12:49 am
Paul Anka heard the original 1967 French pop song, Comme d'habitude (As Usual) performed by Claude François, while on holiday in the south of France. He flew to Paris to negotiate the rights to the song. In a 2007 interview, he said: "I thought it was a bad record, but there was something in it." He acquired publishing rights at no cost except the melody's rights kept by the authors and, two years later, had a dinner in Florida with Frank Sinatra and "a couple of Mob guys" at which Sinatra said: "I'm quitting the business. I'm sick of it, I'm getting the hell out."
Back in New York, Anka re-wrote the original French song for Sinatra, subtly altering the melodic structure and changing the lyrics:
"At one o'clock in the morning, I sat down at an old IBM electric typewriter and said, 'If Frank were writing this, what would he say?' And I started, metaphorically, 'And now the end is near.' I read a lot of periodicals, and I noticed everything was 'my this' and 'my that'. We were in the 'me generation' and Frank became the guy for me to use to say that. I used words I would never use: 'I ate it up and spit it out.' But that's the way he talked. I used to be around steam rooms with the Rat Pack guys – they liked to talk like Mob guys, even though they would have been scared of their own shadows."
Anka finished the song at 5 am. "I called Frank up in Nevada – he was at Caesar's Palace – and said, 'I've got something really special for you.'" Anka claimed: "When my record company caught wind of it, they were very pissed that I didn't keep it for myself. I said, 'Hey, I can write it, but I'm not the guy to sing it.' It was for Frank, no one else
Fri Nov 16, 2012 1:17 am
poormadpeter wrote:drjohncarpenter wrote:poormadpeter wrote:I'm not sure why Elvis singing this song is any less appropriate than him singing many other songs in his career.
Because at his best, Elvis Presley's music was never maudlin.
As the '70s beckoned, Elvis should have applied himself to better, original material, not shopworn Sinatra covers.
Never maudlin? Have you heard How's The World Treating You or That's When Your Heartaches Begin or Old Shep? One only needs to listen to these numbers (and remember how important the latter two were to Presley), and take note of some of the songs he sang privately (My Heart Cries For You, I Can't Help It, I'm Beginning to Forget You, Danny Boy) to realise that the maudlin was what Elvis had always been attracted by musically. By ignoring this, you are trying to shoehorn Elvis into a pigeonhole that he simply won't squeeze into.
Fri Nov 16, 2012 1:22 am
drjohncarpenter wrote:poormadpeter wrote:drjohncarpenter wrote:poormadpeter wrote:I'm not sure why Elvis singing this song is any less appropriate than him singing many other songs in his career.
Because at his best, Elvis Presley's music was never maudlin.
As the '70s beckoned, Elvis should have applied himself to better, original material, not shopworn Sinatra covers.
Never maudlin? Have you heard How's The World Treating You or That's When Your Heartaches Begin or Old Shep? One only needs to listen to these numbers (and remember how important the latter two were to Presley), and take note of some of the songs he sang privately (My Heart Cries For You, I Can't Help It, I'm Beginning to Forget You, Danny Boy) to realise that the maudlin was what Elvis had always been attracted by musically. By ignoring this, you are trying to shoehorn Elvis into a pigeonhole that he simply won't squeeze into.
Correct: never maudlin.
And, yes, I have heard them. In fact, I have heard them all.
Your second two examples are Elvis at his best, and neither is maudlin.
The home demos aren't a valid entry into the discussion. They were unknown until years after his death.
Fri Nov 16, 2012 1:26 am
poormadpeter wrote:drjohncarpenter wrote:Correct: never maudlin.
And, yes, I have heard them. In fact, I have heard them all.
Your second two examples are Elvis at his best, and neither is maudlin.
The home demos aren't a valid entry into the discussion. They were unknown until years after his death.
I'm not sure where that matters. The private home recordings show a part of who Presley was away from the spotlight, and an attraction to the maudlin was very much a part of that.
Fri Nov 16, 2012 1:28 am
Fri Nov 16, 2012 1:33 am
likethebike wrote:On whether Elvis should have sang the song, the answer is of course. Not that "My Way" was screaming out for an Elvis cover, but if Elvis thought it spoke to him, covered the particulars of his experience, that he could add something to it, there's no reason he shouldn't have covered it.
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Fri Nov 16, 2012 2:05 am
greystoke wrote:It's not maudlin or "Vegas" schlock...
Fri Nov 16, 2012 2:15 am
Fri Nov 16, 2012 2:44 am
poormadpeter wrote:Quite why the song is regarded as "Vegas" just because some artists who performed at Vegas were some of those who recorded it is baffling.
Fri Nov 16, 2012 2:53 am
drjohncarpenter wrote:poormadpeter wrote:Quite why the song is regarded as "Vegas" just because some artists who performed at Vegas were some of those who recorded it is baffling.
You're joking, right?
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Fri Nov 16, 2012 3:47 am
poormadpeter wrote:drjohncarpenter wrote:You're joking, right?
Not at all, I have already shown that the appeal of the song spread from easy listening singer to jazz singers to punk singers ...
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