Wed Oct 31, 2012 2:37 am
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Wed Oct 31, 2012 5:07 am
drjohncarpenter wrote:Very nice post, and a very good observation from Barbara Hearn.
But we cannot ascribe the full influence of "Love Me" to just the Billy Williams Quartet single. For one thing, "Love Me" was cut by several others after the 1954 Willie and Ruth debut recording, renditions that Elvis surely heard along the way, including those by Georgia Gibbs, Jimmie Rodgers Snow and Billy Eckstine. As a matter of fact, Eckstine and Williams released their covers at the same time, as evidenced by this Billboard review page:
Billboard - October 16, 1954
Billy Eckstine, "Love Me" (MGM 11855, October 1954)
Note: this was the B-side to the hit "One Sweet Kiss"
And the Jimmy Rodgers Snow ultra-sincere 1955 RCA single B-side was one Elvis heard many times, as they toured together in the beginning of 1955. It's very likely Elvis tried the song out at Sun, too.
Billboard - January 29, 1955
Jimmie Rodgers Snow and his Tennessee Playboys, "Love Me" (RCA 20/47-5986, January 1955)
Listen to it --> HERE
One wonders what Snow felt when he saw Elvis sing "Love Me" on the Ed Sullivan program a year later. Or what he thought when he heard both "Love Me" and "How Do You Think I Feel?" on Elvis' second RCA LP that same month.
Jimmie Rodgers Snow and his Tennessee Playboys, "How Do You Think I Feel?" (RCA 20/47-5900, November 1954)
Anyway, since I cannot find the Eckstine recording, it's probably fair to say that, in early 1955, Elvis discovered the concert power of "Love Me" watching Jimmy make the girls yell, and when he was considering songs for the September 1956 sessions at Radio Recorders, he studied the quartet arrangement released by Billy Williams as a guide.
Wed Oct 31, 2012 2:39 pm
Wed Oct 31, 2012 7:26 pm
colonel snow wrote:The song was recorded in 1954 by:
00-03-54 - Willie & Ruth (Spark 105) = original version.
00-05-54 - Georgia Gibbs (Mercury 70743);
00-07-54 - The Four Escorts (RCA 20-5886);
00-08-54 - Billy Williams Qt with Sy Oliver Orchestra (Coral 61264);
00-09-54 - 5 DeMarco Sisters (Decca 29299);
01-10-54 - Jimmy Rodgers Snow (RCA 20-5986);
00-10-54 - Connie Russell (Capitol 2933).
colonel snow
Wed Oct 31, 2012 7:30 pm
poormadpeter wrote:The Eckstine versions is a kind of weird mix between big band and rhythm n blues, perhaps an arrangement we might more associate with Johnny Ray than Eckstine's normally ultra-smooth renditions. It has very little in common with Elvis's version. If you haven't heard it, it can be downloaded for 99 cents from amazon:
http://www.amazon.com/Love-Me/dp/B000VRPFGG
Wed Oct 31, 2012 9:07 pm
Wed Oct 31, 2012 9:26 pm
drjohncarpenter wrote:poormadpeter wrote:The Eckstine versions is a kind of weird mix between big band and rhythm n blues, perhaps an arrangement we might more associate with Johnny Ray than Eckstine's normally ultra-smooth renditions. It has very little in common with Elvis's version. If you haven't heard it, it can be downloaded for 99 cents from amazon:
http://www.amazon.com/Love-Me/dp/B000VRPFGG
Although the page offers just an excerpt, I hear in Billy's vocal a bit of what Elvis put into his 1956 RCA recording.
Wed Oct 31, 2012 9:53 pm
poormadpeter wrote:drjohncarpenter wrote:Although the page offers just an excerpt, I hear in Billy's vocal a bit of what Elvis put into his 1956 RCA recording.
Why don't you spend a dollar and just buy the whole thing?!
Wed Oct 31, 2012 10:41 pm
drjohncarpenter wrote:colonel snow wrote:The song was recorded in 1954 by:
00-03-54 - Willie & Ruth (Spark 105) = original version.
00-05-54 - Georgia Gibbs (Mercury 70743);
00-07-54 - The Four Escorts (RCA 20-5886);
00-08-54 - Billy Williams Qt with Sy Oliver Orchestra (Coral 61264);
00-09-54 - 5 DeMarco Sisters (Decca 29299);
01-10-54 - Jimmy Rodgers Snow (RCA 20-5986);
00-10-54 - Connie Russell (Capitol 2933).
colonel snow
And perhaps Elvis at Sun.
Wed Oct 31, 2012 10:52 pm
Wed Oct 31, 2012 10:56 pm
drjohncarpenter wrote:poormadpeter wrote:drjohncarpenter wrote:Although the page offers just an excerpt, I hear in Billy's vocal a bit of what Elvis put into his 1956 RCA recording.
Why don't you spend a dollar and just buy the whole thing?!
Haven't I given enough to this topic already?
Why don't you, for once, man up -- you posted the link after all.
After you have the file, please share it with us. Can't wait to hear it!
Thu Nov 01, 2012 1:31 am
colonel snow wrote:The song was recorded in 1954 by:
00-03-54 - Willie & Ruth (Spark 105) = original version.
00-05-54 - Georgia Gibbs (Mercury 70743);
00-07-54 - The Four Escorts (RCA 20-5886);
00-08-54 - Billy Williams Qt with Sy Oliver Orchestra (Coral 61264);
00-09-54 - 5 DeMarco Sisters (Decca 29299);
01-10-54 - Jimmy Rodgers Snow (RCA 20-5986);
00-10-54 - Connie Russell (Capitol 2933).
Thu Nov 01, 2012 1:32 am
elvisalisellers wrote:Thanks for everybody's input so far.
Out of all the versions I've heard, I'm still certain it's the Williams Quartet version Elvis is pulling from.
Thu Nov 01, 2012 1:40 am
PStoller wrote:colonel snow wrote:The song was recorded in 1954 by:
00-03-54 - Willie & Ruth (Spark 105) = original version.
00-05-54 - Georgia Gibbs (Mercury 70743);
00-07-54 - The Four Escorts (RCA 20-5886);
00-08-54 - Billy Williams Qt with Sy Oliver Orchestra (Coral 61264);
00-09-54 - 5 DeMarco Sisters (Decca 29299);
01-10-54 - Jimmy Rodgers Snow (RCA 20-5986);
00-10-54 - Connie Russell (Capitol 2933).
Also by Kay Brown (Crown 127). Review in the September 18, 1954 Billboard: "Gal sings out on a bluesy ballad in the mettallic-voiced Kay Starr tradition." (rating: 70) Georgia Gibbs nicked the arrangement the following month (reviewed October 23), but I prefer Brown's vocal. Finally, the Woodside Sisters cut it back in August 1954 (X 0049). I've only heard a snippet of it; it's getting a digital issue mid-November.
Listening to Billy Eckstine's version, I find his phrasing a lot looser and jazzier than Elvis'. It's closer than, say, Jimmie Rodgers Snow or the DeMarco Sisters, but my money's on a combination of Willie & Ruth and Billy Williams as Elvis' primary models.
Thu Nov 01, 2012 1:48 am
drjohncarpenter wrote:elvisalisellers wrote:Thanks for everybody's input so far.
Out of all the versions I've heard, I'm still certain it's the Williams Quartet version Elvis is pulling from.
And I still maintain that Elvis became attached to "Love Me" after seeing Hayride pal Jimmie Rodgers Snow going over very well while doing it in his plaintive fashion, night after night when they toured together in the winter of 1955...
Thu Nov 01, 2012 1:49 am
drjohncarpenter wrote:And I still maintain that Elvis became attached to "Love Me" after seeing Hayride pal Jimmie Rodgers Snow going over very well while doing it in his plaintive fashion, night after night when they toured together in the winter of 1955, probably gave the Leiber and Stoller song a try at 706 Union Avenue when they were searching for songs to record, and ultimately took the arrangement of the Billy Williams Quartet into the studio with him in 1956.
Thu Nov 01, 2012 1:59 am
PStoller wrote:drjohncarpenter wrote:And I still maintain that Elvis became attached to "Love Me" after seeing Hayride pal Jimmie Rodgers Snow going over very well while doing it in his plaintive fashion, night after night when they toured together in the winter of 1955, probably gave the Leiber and Stoller song a try at 706 Union Avenue when they were searching for songs to record, and ultimately took the arrangement of the Billy Williams Quartet into the studio with him in 1956.
Much of this may be true. Still, it's a fact that Hill & Range asked Leiber & Stoller to submit songs for Elvis after the success of "Hound Dog," and they chose "Love Me" for Elvis. They would not have known if or how Elvis was already familiar with the song; indeed, I'm quite sure they assumed he'd never heard of it. I wonder if Elvis was surprised to get a submission to which he'd already been listening—and had possibly even been considering—for at least a year, if not two.
Thu Nov 01, 2012 2:08 am
PStoller wrote:drjohncarpenter wrote:And I still maintain that Elvis became attached to "Love Me" after seeing Hayride pal Jimmie Rodgers Snow going over very well while doing it in his plaintive fashion, night after night when they toured together in the winter of 1955, probably gave the Leiber and Stoller song a try at 706 Union Avenue when they were searching for songs to record, and ultimately took the arrangement of the Billy Williams Quartet into the studio with him in 1956.
Much of this may be true. Still, it's a fact that Hill & Range asked Leiber & Stoller to submit songs for Elvis after the success of "Hound Dog," and they chose "Love Me" for Elvis. They would not have known if or how Elvis was already familiar with the song; indeed, I'm quite sure they assumed he'd never heard of it. I wonder if Elvis was surprised to get a submission to which he'd already been listening—and had possibly even been considering—for at least a year, if not two.
For this session [Sept. '56] Sholes had expressly solicited two new songs, one by Leiber and Stoller to follow up on the success of "Hound Dog," the other by Otis Blackwell. Leiber and Stoller didn't take their assignment all that seriously - they merely provided an old song that they characterized at one time as "a spoof almost of country and western style...what Homer and Jethro might have done to a legitimate lyric" - but Elvis took it very seriously...
Thu Nov 01, 2012 2:38 am
Thu Nov 01, 2012 3:07 am
Jaime1234 wrote:In his own recording, Presley does all the voices heard in this rather dull recording...
Thu Nov 01, 2012 7:09 am
drjohncarpenter wrote:colonel snow wrote:The song was recorded in 1954 by:
00-03-54 - Willie & Ruth (Spark 105) = original version.
00-05-54 - Georgia Gibbs (Mercury 70743);
00-07-54 - The Four Escorts (RCA 20-5886);
00-08-54 - Billy Williams Qt with Sy Oliver Orchestra (Coral 61264);
00-09-54 - 5 DeMarco Sisters (Decca 29299);
01-10-54 - Jimmy Rodgers Snow (RCA 20-5986);
00-10-54 - Connie Russell (Capitol 2933).
colonel snow
And perhaps Elvis at Sun.
Thu Nov 01, 2012 7:45 am
elvisalisellers wrote:Jaime1234 wrote:In his own recording, Presley does all the voices heard in this rather dull recording...
Not by any stretch of the imagination could one seriously call the Williams Quartet version dull.
Thu Nov 01, 2012 4:24 pm
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