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Ginger's Book- Question About Death Scene Aug 16

Sun Oct 05, 2014 2:07 pm

Just finished Ginger's book and I enjoyed it a lot. I think she did a very good job considering she's never written a book before. I do think she glossed over some parts of her relationship with Elvis such as all the arguments they had (according to the Revelations book in particular)- she only wrote about a couple of arguments they had which were the yoghurt and papaya juice incidents.

But I thought the book was a great read and it added a few bits of new information on the last 9 month's of Elvis' life.

However, I noticed some inconsistencies in her book. Probably most importantly was the location of Elvis' body in the bathroom when she found him. In the book the Death of Elvis, Dan Warlick stated the body was found over 6 feet away from the commode and he could see an indication on the carpet where Elvis' head was.

However, in Ginger's book she stated that she found Elvis right in front of the commode and then she added a new detail that Joe Esposito and Al Strada moved him towards the center of the bathroom. But what about the unpleasant indicator Dan Warlick found on the carpet? How did that get there if it wasn't Elvis?

She also said something interesting about Elvis, first packet of medication that night and she wondered if it actually contained placebos.

Finally on this subject, she explained something which again Dan Warlick noted in his book and this was the Psychic Energy book which he found thrown onto Elvis' table next to the commode. Warlick speculated that Elvis must have tossed it there when he was struck by the event that killed him. But Ginger said she found the book resting on the arm of Elvis' barber chair on the other side of the room and it was one of Elvis' aides who later threw it onto the table when they moved the chair.

Re: Ginger's Book- Question About Death Scene Aug 16

Sun Oct 05, 2014 6:52 pm

JRtherealJR wrote:Just finished Ginger's book and I enjoyed it a lot. I think she did a very good job considering she's never written a book before. I do think she glossed over some parts of her relationship with Elvis such as all the arguments they had (according to the Revelations book in particular)- she only wrote about a couple of arguments they had which were the yoghurt and papaya juice incidents.

But I thought the book was a great read and it added a few bits of new information on the last 9 month's of Elvis' life.

However, I noticed some inconsistencies in her book. Probably most importantly was the location of Elvis' body in the bathroom when she found him. In the book the Death of Elvis, Dan Warlick stated the body was found over 6 feet away from the commode and he could see an indication on the carpet where Elvis' head was.

However, in Ginger's book she stated that she found Elvis right in front of the commode and then she added a new detail that Joe Esposito and Al Strada moved him towards the center of the bathroom. But what about the unpleasant indicator Dan Warlick found on the carpet? How did that get there if it wasn't Elvis?

She also said something interesting about Elvis, first packet of medication that night and she wondered if it actually contained placebos.

Finally on this subject, she explained something which again Dan Warlick noted in his book and this was the Psychic Energy book which he found thrown onto Elvis' table next to the commode. Warlick speculated that Elvis must have tossed it there when he was struck by the event that killed him. But Ginger said she found the book resting on the arm of Elvis' barber chair on the other side of the room and it was one of Elvis' aides who later threw it onto the table when they moved the chair.


Another comment she said about how she found Elvis' body that was different than what has been written before is that she said that Elvis's arms were along his sides, towards his feet with the palms up. Descriptions in other books always have said his hands were under his face, like he was praying (Muslim style).

"The Death Of Elvis" stated that after Elvis fell off the toilet, he must have crawled a few feet before dying.

Re: Ginger's Book- Question About Death Scene Aug 16

Mon Oct 06, 2014 12:28 am

Drawing from 20/20 "The Elvis Cover Up"
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Re: Ginger's Book- Question About Death Scene Aug 16

Mon Oct 06, 2014 1:11 am

whatsupdoc wrote:Drawing from 20/20 "The Elvis Cover Up"


That drawing is terrible.

Re: Ginger's Book- Question About Death Scene Aug 16

Mon Oct 06, 2014 1:20 am

ABC clearly referred to the bathroom photo published in the 1978 Star tribute.

Re: Ginger's Book- Question About Death Scene Aug 16

Mon Oct 06, 2014 4:27 am

Excerpt from the book Careless Love by Peter Guralnick


The only thing that appeared to have been missed, aside from the empty syringes, was the book that Elvis had in the bathroom with him when he died, a study of sex and psychic energy that correlated sexual positions with astrological signs. Warlick found a stain on the bathroom carpeting, too, that seemed to indicate where Elvis had thrown up after being stricken, apparently while seated on the toilet. It looked to the medical investigator as if he had “stumbled or crawled several feet before he died.”

Re: Ginger's Book- Question About Death Scene Aug 16

Mon Oct 06, 2014 4:41 am

JRtherealJR wrote:Another comment she said about how she found Elvis' body that was different than what has been written before is that she said that Elvis's arms were along his sides, towards his feet with the palms up. Descriptions in other books always have said his hands were under his face, like he was praying (Muslim style).

Ginger's account is correct.

Re: Ginger's Book- Question About Death Scene Aug 16

Mon Oct 06, 2014 4:45 am

promiseland wrote:
Eligain wrote:Another comment she said about how she found Elvis' body that was different than what has been written before is that she said that Elvis's arms were along his sides, towards his feet with the palms up. Descriptions in other books always have said his hands were under his face, like he was praying (Muslim style).

Ginger's account is correct.


Why are you so so sure Ginger's account is correct?

And by the way, your quoted text was actually from Eligain and not me. I've corrected it for you in this post.

Re: Ginger's Book- Question About Death Scene Aug 16

Mon Oct 06, 2014 4:51 am

JRtherealJR wrote:
promiseland wrote:
Eligain wrote:Another comment she said about how she found Elvis' body that was different than what has been written before is that she said that Elvis's arms were along his sides, towards his feet with the palms up. Descriptions in other books always have said his hands were under his face, like he was praying (Muslim style).

Ginger's account is correct.


Why are you so so sure Ginger's account is correct?

And by the way, your quoted text was actually from Eligain and not me. I've corrected it for you in this post.

Possibly because there is only one account of the "hands were under his face" as compared to all other accounts otherwise by Joe and others who were there who claimed he was "face in the carpet" - and not "face in hands".

My apologies on the quote error.

When there was no answer, she pushed on it and discovered him lying on the floor, his gold pajama bottoms down around his ankles, his face buried in a pool of vomit on the thick shag carpet.

Re: Ginger's Book- Question About Death Scene Aug 16

Mon Oct 06, 2014 10:46 am

The last books Elvis had been reading on August 16, 1977.
Copies of both books are in my collection.
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Re: Ginger's Book- Question About Death Scene Aug 16

Mon Oct 06, 2014 12:13 pm

whatsupdoc wrote:The last books Elvis had been reading on August 16, 1977.
Copies of both books are in my collection.

Those would be cool to have especially if yours are the first editions that Elvis had.

I could actually see him wanting Intrested to read " Sex And Psychic Energy" with having a beauty such as Ginger Alden waiting in bed :D . She is finally one that is understandable about him finding so irresistible knowing the vast variety of women he could have chosen. Can't say the same for Priscilla, or Linda Thompson, yes, they were pretty women, but were they picks of the litter - No.
Ginger -Yes.
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Re: Ginger's Book- Question About Death Scene Aug 16

Mon Oct 06, 2014 8:32 pm

whatsupdoc wrote:The last books Elvis had been reading on August 16, 1977.
Copies of both books are in my collection.


In Thomas and Cole's book "The Death Of Elvis", they called the book, "Sex And Psychic Energy" rank pornography!

Re: Ginger's Book- Question About Death Scene Aug 16

Mon Oct 06, 2014 9:39 pm

eligain wrote:
whatsupdoc wrote:The last books Elvis had been reading on August 16, 1977.
Copies of both books are in my collection.


In Thomas and Cole's book "The Death Of Elvis", they called the book, "Sex And Psychic Energy" rank pornography!


It's not. I have the book. It doesn't get any raunchier than this:
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Re: Ginger's Book- Question About Death Scene Aug 16

Mon Oct 06, 2014 9:52 pm

^^^^^^^^

I doubt there was much of that going on in Elvis' bedroom!

Re: Ginger's Book- Question About Death Scene Aug 16

Mon Oct 06, 2014 11:45 pm

eligain wrote:
whatsupdoc wrote:The last books Elvis had been reading on August 16, 1977.
Copies of both books are in my collection.


In Thomas and Cole's book "The Death Of Elvis", they called the book, "Sex And Psychic Energy" rank pornography!


You're wrong there. They called it "raunchy pornography".

Re: Ginger's Book- Question About Death Scene Aug 16

Tue Oct 07, 2014 12:27 am

Everyone talks about what Ginger saw, but what about Mary Ann? Or the Howells?

Re: Ginger's Book- Question About Death Scene Aug 16

Tue Oct 07, 2014 1:10 am

promiseland wrote:Can't say the same for Priscilla, or Linda Thompson, yes, they were pretty women, but were they picks of the litter - No.


You wouldn't kick either of them out of bed.

Re: Ginger's Book- Question About Death Scene Aug 16

Tue Oct 07, 2014 1:37 am

promiseland wrote:Excerpt from the book Careless Love by Peter Guralnick


The only thing that appeared to have been missed, aside from the empty syringes, was the book that Elvis had in the bathroom with him when he died, a study of sex and psychic energy that correlated sexual positions with astrological signs. Warlick found a stain on the bathroom carpeting, too, that seemed to indicate where Elvis had thrown up after being stricken, apparently while seated on the toilet. It looked to the medical investigator as if he had “stumbled or crawled several feet before he died.”


Man how painful that would feel knowing he got a heartattack, still tried to walk, stumbling for a few steps before his final downfall :(,
Altough i to agree that Gingers account is probably correct, I can see the impact it would have on her, even to this day, I doubt its something that someone would misremember, it can be very traumatic

Re: Ginger's Book- Question About Death Scene Aug 16

Tue Oct 07, 2014 2:26 am

Who are "Mary Ann? Or the Howells?"

Re: Ginger's Book- Question About Death Scene Aug 16

Tue Oct 07, 2014 3:01 am

whatsupdoc wrote:Who are "Mary Ann? Or the Howells?"


It's a secret. :D

Re: Ginger's Book- Question About Death Scene Aug 16

Tue Oct 07, 2014 3:10 am

I could have sworn i recently read a interview where she said considering the way Elvis' body was positioned he just fell off the toilet and died where he fell. His back end was higher than the rest of his body.

Re: Ginger's Book- Question About Death Scene Aug 16

Tue Oct 07, 2014 3:16 am

DEH wrote:I could have sworn i recently read a interview where she said considering the way Elvis' body was positioned he just fell off the toilet and died where he fell. His back end was higher than the rest of his body.


Thanks!

Re: Ginger's Book- Question About Death Scene Aug 16

Tue Oct 07, 2014 3:17 am

mike edwards66 wrote:
promiseland wrote:Can't say the same for Priscilla, or Linda Thompson, yes, they were pretty women, but were they picks of the litter - No.


You wouldn't kick either of them out of bed.


Anyone who says they would turn down Priscilla in her prime years with Elvis is lying. :roll: :roll:

Re: Ginger's Book- Question About Death Scene Aug 16

Tue Oct 07, 2014 7:12 am

DEH wrote:
mike edwards66 wrote:
promiseland wrote:Can't say the same for Priscilla, or Linda Thompson, yes, they were pretty women, but were they picks of the litter - No.


You wouldn't kick either of them out of bed.


Anyone who says they would turn down Priscilla in her prime years with Elvis is lying. :roll: :roll:


Hell I wouldn't turn her down tonight!

Re: Ginger's Book- Question About Death Scene Aug 16

Tue Oct 07, 2014 7:17 am

Marko wrote:
eligain wrote:
whatsupdoc wrote:The last books Elvis had been reading on August 16, 1977.
Copies of both books are in my collection.


In Thomas and Cole's book "The Death Of Elvis", they called the book, "Sex And Psychic Energy" rank pornography!


It's not. I have the book. It doesn't get any raunchier than this:


I figured it wasn't. Just a way for Thomas and Cole to put Elvis down.