GOT IT!!! Greatest Live Hits of the 50s from M.R.S.

The law is being broken by those companies putting out alternate takes that have only recently been released by Sony. The law is not being broken by albums including live recordings only just put out by Sony. There are many more of the former out there than the latter, but Sony have yet to pursue this.

As for the PD situation in general. We have to look beyond Elvis and the effect on him, for Elvis is not representative of the situation. The PD law and the many companies that operate under it are keeping alive the names and music of many great artists who would otherwise be forgotten. For example, Avid have released just this week a 2 disc set containing four albums by the great jazz saxophonist Flip Phillips that have been out of print for nearly 60 years. There are also albums and recordings by the likes of Ella Fitzgerald, Ben Webster, Dizzy Gillespie, Oscar Peterson, Count Basie, Duke Ellington, Frank Sinatra and more than would otherwise never ever see the light of day again, being put out in quality packaging and quality sound by the PD companies. This isn't just about Elvis. Yes, it's a shame his music is being exploited, but as a music lover would I rather do away with the PD and lose access to thousands of hours of music that would otherwise be lost, or keep it and see four different issues of Loving You on the shelves in HMV. Well, I know my answer thanks very much.

Thanks to the Bono extension to copyright in America, much of our cultural heritage is literally rotting away in a vault. Most films from 1923 are still in copyright, but most films from 1923 to, say, 1940 are never ever going to be released for the home video market by the studios that own them. So, let's say private collector Jack Smith has a distinctly average print on 16mm of a film from 1925. The film is in copyright and owned by Paramount. But Smith has the only known copy - but if he keeps that copy he has a problem because it will corrode with each passing year. If he gives to Paramount, they will probably do nothing with it but shove it in a vault and let it sit there. no-one would ever see it. If he gives it to an archive, the likelihood of them ever getting around to saving a run of the mill film from that era is quite small. So, it will sit in that archive, not in a good enough state even for visiting researchers to be allowed to watch it. However, if the film was OUT of copyright, he could give it/lend it to a respected PD company such as Grapevine, who would more than likely set about restoring it to the best of their ability, giving it a soundtrack and then issuing it on DVD.

The problem with the PD laws in all companies is that they are all-encompassing - and this is the problem being experience in Europe at the moment.

The law is being broken by those companies putting out alternate takes that have only recently been released by Sony. The law is not being broken by albums including live recordings only just put out by Sony. There are many more of the former out there than the latter, but Sony have yet to pursue this.

The reality is that in the case of Elvis, why would Sony spend the legal fees going after an opposing PD company who probaby sells less that 5,000 copies of a release worldwide? Sony still has a priority retail position in the eyes of most consumers. There is currently a limited market for much of that product. Once Sony loses a portion of its priority position in the market, then you many see Sony doing more applicable legal challenges.

As for Matthew's comments, I think you are missing the point. MRS gets talked about here from a moral point of view more than anything else. if someone promotes their work then, frankly, they are sensible - if I was selling something I'd probably do the same. The suggest here was that the MRS would release the TV performances and then we would go through this rigmarole of hating them for it. But putting politics aside, PD companies have been issuing that material for at least five or six year, and no-one gave a damn - which links to my recurring point that it is not the issuing of material that people have a problem with but the man behind the label. I just think it would be considerably more honest to admit that fact.

No. I am sure if these multitudes of other crappy PD releases were discussed and promoted at length on the forum they would be deconstructed as well. As far as I am aware, MRS is the only label that aggressively targets main label product to undermine main label/FTD activities, outside of some bootleggers and their "500 copy limited editions". Most with complaints about MRS activities are not going around creating threads about them, merely responding to already created threads. Show me the threads about these other PD ripoff titles because I don't recall seeing any. Then, if it makes things better I will leave a "worthless PD ripoff" remark

There is a lot of undermining throughout the WHOLE of the Elvis world... I hear a rumour (and that's all it is) about a possible re-printing on the now SOLD OUT 'Boy from Tupelo' set...
Looks like someone at the main label has a friend doing some undermining themselves to me, and just as the MRS release is due.
Everyone (and I mean everyone on both sides) needs to grow up a little.
Touche'

There is a lot of undermining throughout the WHOLE of the Elvis world... I hear a rumour (and that's all it is) about a possible re-printing on the now SOLD OUT 'Boy from Tupelo' set...
Looks like someone at the main label has a friend doing some undermining themselves to me, and just as the MRS release is due.
Everyone (and I mean everyone on both sides) needs to grow up a little.
Touche'

The main label concerned about a cheap MRS release, so it reprints a pricey book/cd package? Yeah, that makes sense. If Sony is going to proceed with a reprint, it is due to demand and potential profits. If Sony wants to cut into MRS's small market, it could easily produce a single disc with exact or similar content. The MRS boys are the ones obsessed with FTD and undermining FTD's product; it isn't the other way around. Sony and FTD doesn't need to undermine MRS; they already have a dominant market share.

There is a lot of undermining throughout the WHOLE of the Elvis world... I hear a rumour (and that's all it is) about a possible re-printing on the now SOLD OUT 'Boy from Tupelo' set...
Looks like someone at the main label has a friend doing some undermining themselves to me, and just as the MRS release is due.
Everyone (and I mean everyone on both sides) needs to grow up a little.
Touche'

The main label concerned about a cheap MRS release, so it reprints a pricey book/cd package? Yeah, that makes sense. If Sony is going to proceed with a reprint, it is due to demand and potential profits. If Sony wants to cut into MRS's small market, it could easily produce a single disc with exact or similar content. The MRS boys are the ones obsessed with FTD and undermining FTD's product; it isn't the other way around. Sony and FTD doesn't need to undermine MRS; they already have a dominant market share.

EXACTLY CORRECT, but you miss my point entirely.
I didn't say that the main label were actually doing it, I said there is a rumour saying they were, and this rumour is just to undermine the forthcoming MRS release.
Anyway, I've said enough on the topic and all I do by adding more is to perpetuate a situation where folks need to GROW UP !

Bye.

There is a lot of undermining throughout the WHOLE of the Elvis world... I hear a rumour (and that's all it is) about a possible re-printing on the now SOLD OUT 'Boy from Tupelo' set...
Looks like someone at the main label has a friend doing some undermining themselves to me, and just as the MRS release is due.
Everyone (and I mean everyone on both sides) needs to grow up a little.
Touche'

The main label concerned about a cheap MRS release, so it reprints a pricey book/cd package? Yeah, that makes sense. If Sony is going to proceed with a reprint, it is due to demand and potential profits. If Sony wants to cut into MRS's small market, it could easily produce a single disc with exact or similar content. The MRS boys are the ones obsessed with FTD and undermining FTD's product; it isn't the other way around. Sony and FTD doesn't need to undermine MRS; they already have a dominant market share.

EXACTLY CORRECT, but you miss my point entirely.
I didn't say that the main label were actually doing it, I said there is a rumour saying they were, and this rumour is just to undermine the forthcoming MRS release.
Anyway, I've said enough on the topic and all I do by adding more is to perpetuate a situation where folks need to GROW UP !

Bye.

But then why even substantiate the rumor by posting such asinine logic in the first place? Clearly some, self-absorbed fan-boy of MRS thought up that bizarre rumor. Anyone can make up a rumor; why post one that defies logic?

Warner Brothers owns the rights to Gale Storm's "Sunbonnet Sue". I wrote Alpha Video offering them my copy of the film if they would release it. They said they couldn't because WB owns it. WB does not plan to release it....at least not at this time. I guess we could say the same about recordings, but I fully support FTD and Sony as they are releasing the Elvis music.

Warner Brothers owns the rights to Gale Storm's "Sunbonnet Sue". I wrote Alpha Video offering them my copy of the film if they would release it. They said they couldn't because WB owns it. WB does not plan to release it....at least not at this time. I guess we could say the same about recordings, but I fully support FTD and Sony as they are releasing the Elvis music.

Not sure why WB would own a monogram film? Either way, WB have stated that they plan to release every film in their vaults within ten years through the archive series, which is quite some pledge.

Hope they do. Thank you for letting me know!!!

Did you ever stop to think how many of us here on this forum are in breach of copyright?
Don't even try to convince me that everyone has had the owners permission to post the photos and images used here, me included.
As much as I love Bugs Bunny I don't have Warner Bros permission for the use of my avatar.



I enjoyed the cd last night and as far as I'm concerned i like it and that's all that matters to me.

And is "Little mama" any better in sound quality? And what else is 'new' on it?

all this crap about corrupt laws and sh*t about Sony have bigger things to do than peruse these companies is total bollocks, if they break the law they will be chassed, but no is breaking any law no one is chasing anyone, and all the pathetic jibes about this is wrong and that’s wrong, is crap, until you see a court case!

This is simply not true.

It’s not a rumour it was talked about by Ernst as he had told various FTD dealers this was probably going to happen, simply because its sold out faster than expected and a number of dealers have been asking for more copies, and Ernst said that a re-press would be done in November, but I know of a dealer still awaiting conformation of this from Ernst?

Wait a minute, the rumor stan from tintane put forth was that Ernst and Sony were considering another run of the expansive SUN set to undermine MRS. That is an absurd and illogical rumor. His position went way beyond Ernst telling dealers that the SUN set may get a second run.

For a Very Affordable Cost for Elvis Fans and maybe just for the
curious people out there of what Elvis was like in the 50's as a Live Entertainer
before he was "Crowned KING". This make's a perfect CD by MRS for everyone
really (Elvis politics a side).

All can now really own this release if they chose to do so and have most of
what was recently release on the now official "SOLD OUT" "Boy From Tupleo"....
(At a fraction of the cost, if its' just the audio that you were after)




The MRS release is actually a very nice package, w/ No Frills' (meaning No booklet included)

But, I guess all that really need's to be there this time around is the music !

Which is all here once again by "default" to "Help" promote "Elvis" in a positive and the reality,
it will and does.

As packaging is noticable in a good way and very cool looking and up to date.

Other Public Domain releases do by default "Help" promote Elvis, just as most any
Import release would do this as well. (everyone should try to keep that in mind)

PEP

For a Very Affordable Cost for Elvis Fans and maybe just for the
curious people out there of what Elvis was like in the 50's as a Live Entertainer
before he was "Crowned KING". This make's a perfect CD by MRS for everyone
really (Elvis politics a side).

All can now really own this release if they chose to do so and have most of
what was recently release on the now official "SOLD OUT" "Boy From Tupleo"....
(At a fraction of the cost, if its' just the audio that you were after)




The MRS release is actually a very nice package, w/ No Frills' (meaning No booklet included)

But, I guess all that really need's to be there this time around is the music !

Which is all here once again by "default" to "Help" promote "Elvis" in a positive and the reality,
it will and does.

As packaging is noticable in a good way and very cool looking and up to date.

Other Public Domain releases do by default "Help" promote Elvis, just as most any
Import release would do this as well. (everyone should try to keep that in mind)

PEP

+ 1 !!!!

Do we seriously need such giant quotes? C'mon... PEP's post was enough, no need to quote it in its entirety!

By the way, a certain Mr. Down "Tor-rent" Load gave me a chance to listen to it just out of curiosity... Seeing as I could do a direct comparison of "Tupelo" and this, it was an interesting thought.

In my personal and honest opinion there's no improvement. It might have an use for those interested in the audio from the FTD but couldn't afford it (I can understand this, totally) but as far as "huge improvements" go (that was a major point IIRC), nah. I don't even understand all the fight over that "glitch" on Little Mama as this release offers nothing much better about it. It still sounds like, well, a mistake/glitch - after all they're just using the CD source, not the acetate itself. Just saying that I saw much hype about this but in the end is nothing incredible. Its entire existence is useful for those who couldn't get the FTD and/or wanted a "sort of improved" rip of the I Forgot To Remember To Forget YouTube video (nothing major about the improvement).

By the way, I'm Left, You're Right, She's Gone is not the exact same thing as found on the Sun project, before someone says it is a direct rip off (the entire thing, I mean, as the "new" tracks surely came from the official material)... Instead of duplicating a verse to fill up the damaged parts, they decided to use part of the studio master (filtered to keep the consistence of the audio). It doesn't sound really bad, honestly... While there's a difference there, the duplicated portion on the book also sounds "out of place".

I hope I don't get attacked for my opinion and view.

Did you ever stop to think how many of us here on this forum are in breach of copyright?
Don't even try to convince me that everyone has had the owners permission to post the photos and images used here, me included.
As much as I love Bugs Bunny I don't have Warner Bros permission for the use of my avatar.



I enjoyed the cd last night and as far as I'm concerned i like it and that's all that matters to me.

I hadnt thought about pictures but you're right!

Are people on this site who are posting pictures, images, and logos doing so through commercial usage? No.

Whatever it may be, listening to this cd is a joy.
And i also have the "Boy from Tupelo" set...wich i enjoyed even more then this cd.

Is it soundwise any better then before?
Sometimes it is, sometimes not...
It's nice to have it all together in a budget release, the young man on his first steps into stardom.
The live greatest hits.

Nice: yes.
Essential: no for those who have them elswhere.
But... it's a lovely little thing this cd, and at a cheap price.

For a Very Affordable Cost for Elvis Fans and maybe just for the
curious people out there of what Elvis was like in the 50's as a Live Entertainer
before he was "Crowned KING". This make's a perfect CD by MRS for everyone
really (Elvis politics a side).

All can now really own this release if they chose to do so and have most of
what was recently release on the now official "SOLD OUT" "Boy From Tupleo"....
(At a fraction of the cost, if its' just the audio that you were after)




The MRS release is actually a very nice package, w/ No Frills' (meaning No booklet included)

But, I guess all that really need's to be there this time around is the music !

Which is all here once again by "default" to "Help" promote "Elvis" in a positive and the reality,
it will and does.

As packaging is noticable in a good way and very cool looking and up to date.

Other Public Domain releases do by default "Help" promote Elvis, just as most any
Import release would do this as well. (everyone should try to keep that in mind)

PEP

+ 1 !!!!

I think we should even promote the MRS label. Why not? It's affordable for many of the younger fan generation.
Most fans can not affort them the Boy from Tupelp set....the Complete Masters set.....the FTD releases.....so yeah, let's keep promoting MRS and other public domain labels.
And I know some of you here worry about copy rights.....really?....so no one ever copied a cd....copied a photo....downloaded a song....come on guys, be realistic. Enjoy Elvis music etc without worrying about rights etc.

Looks like a piece of Sh1t to me.

Elvis cd a piece of Sh1t call yourself a fan

Sun Hero: promote it, just try to do it without quoting giant posts. It makes things terrible for others when reading and trying to follow the topic. That was my point. It's unnecessary as we all already saw the images.

For a Very Affordable Cost for Elvis Fans and maybe just for the
curious people out there of what Elvis was like in the 50's as a Live Entertainer
before he was "Crowned KING". This make's a perfect CD by MRS for everyone
really (Elvis politics a side).

All can now really own this release if they chose to do so and have most of
what was recently release on the now official "SOLD OUT" "Boy From Tupleo"....
(At a fraction of the cost, if its' just the audio that you were after)




The MRS release is actually a very nice package, w/ No Frills' (meaning No booklet included)

But, I guess all that really need's to be there this time around is the music !

Which is all here once again by "default" to "Help" promote "Elvis" in a positive and the reality,
it will and does.

As packaging is noticable in a good way and very cool looking and up to date.

Other Public Domain releases do by default "Help" promote Elvis, just as most any
Import release would do this as well. (everyone should try to keep that in mind)

PEP

+ 1 !!!!

I think we should even promote the MRS label. Why not? It's affordable for many of the younger fan generation.
Most fans can not affort them the Boy from Tupelp set....the Complete Masters set.....the FTD releases.....so yeah, let's keep promoting MRS and other public domain labels.
And I know some of you here worry about copy rights.....really?....so no one ever copied a cd....copied a photo....downloaded a song....come on guys, be realistic. Enjoy Elvis music etc without worrying about rights etc.

Sorry if I upset you BillyBlues.....I'll try harder next time....

An easier way to combat this type thing would be to offer official download of the material at a normal cost. Possibly on a short time delay from the actual CD release date. Some people don't want to spend the huge $$ on the set to get the book. Some can't. If it is a case of the music-an alternate release of just the cd's could be released at a reasonable cost to collectors.

I feel that even if you did not buy the TUPELO FTD release you have no doubt heard it. You heard a copy and in many cases a high quality copy of the material from some source.

This MRS release is probably not necessary and appeals only to those who are unaware of the FTD release or to those type collectors who MUST have every release on disc with artwork, whether official or not.

Me, the disc has no appeal to me as I have plenty of photos of Elvis and can hear the tracks whenever I wish anyway...so it falls into that ever growing pile of discs I don't need to have.

Just my opinion tho.

What a pile of garbage this release is. They are lifting directly from sources they don't own the copyright to and claiming public domain.