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Re: Fav GI Tune ?

Fri Jul 13, 2012 5:49 am

Doc what makes you prefer these outtakes instead of the original masters? Thx

Re: Fav GI Tune ?

Fri Jul 13, 2012 6:34 am

Mine are

Shopping Around
Pocketful of rainbows
Frankfort Special
Doin' the best I can

I remember away back when the New Years Eve (1960) in Victoria BC they showed Gi Blues as the midnite special to bring in 1961..........the Capital Theatre was completely sold out............everyone waiting to see Elvis in his new film...............I went with friends and couldn't wait to see Elvis again........I had only just turned 13 in November and we had watched repeats of Loving You, Jailhouse Rock and King Creole while Elvis was in the army..............after the movie had finished I was kinda disappointed - what had happened to my wilder Elvis that I had fallen in love with? He just wasn't the same.......... I still liked the movie of course..............anyway that was my first reaction at just seeing it............but of course once it started its run in Victoria I went with friends and we watched it over and over again....liking well loving it even more........anyway looking back now I still LOVE the movie but really the outstanding success of Blue Hawaii movie brought on all the formula films................I look at it as a video/photo op for each year and we get to see Elvis two or three times a year- ya!.............some great songs, some krap songs but hey it's Elvis and we fans didn't care........I always remained a fan and we flew down to see him in '67 and '68 in L.A.-just had to meet my idol since '56!!!.......I only wish that in his spare time during the movie years he recorded other songs rather than just the soundtracks................(look from March '64 - April '66 only soundtracks were recorded)........ Such a missed opportunity for Elvis and his fans!!! Anyway, that's my opinion.............................Anyone going to Memphis - see you there in August!!!! We'll have our little Canadian/Elvis name tags on................... :lol:

Re: Fav GI Tune ?

Fri Jul 13, 2012 6:40 am

stevelecher wrote:I love Elvis' voice on "Tonight's So Right For Love." Das ist ooze!


It's a great record! I'm also a big fan of Elvis' vocal on "Doin' The Best I Can"

Re: Fav GI Tune ?

Fri Jul 13, 2012 6:56 am

I actually agree with Doc on this one.

I really enjoy the four tracks he listed very much, especially, "Pocketful Of Rainbows".

It's a beautiful vocal and always makes me smile when I hear it.

honourable mention: Big Boots

I sang it to my boys when they were babies and I still get teary eyed when I hear it now !

And how could you not laugh and enjoy that silly, "Didja Ever" ?

"Aunts come dancin', carry awf da bread, oh ..." LOL

Re: Fav GI Tune ?

Fri Jul 13, 2012 7:12 am

minkahed wrote:And how could you not laugh and enjoy that silly, "Didja Ever" ?
"Aunts come dancin', carry awf da bread, oh ..." LOL

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Re: Fav GI Tune ?

Fri Jul 13, 2012 7:14 am

I was thinkin' of my sister in law ! ha

Re: Fav GI Tune ?

Fri Jul 13, 2012 7:53 am

JimmyCool wrote:
stevelecher wrote:I always considered the elongated "Tonight's All Right" to be a very sloppy, abrupt, jarring edit, artificially lengthening the song. The short version is what Elvis laid down in the studio and if they needed to lengthen it, I'm surprised they made such a mess of it.

That's why I don't like the extended version of "Blue River" either.

Blue River is very competently and seamlessly edited compared to Tonight's All Right For Love. I never knew that song was reworked until I heard the correct (short) version on FOR THE ASKING.

Re: Fav GI Tune ?

Fri Jul 13, 2012 8:37 am

Mine is Doin' The Best, but i agree with Djc, compared the the material elvis did before gi blues, it was like it was a completely different entertainer, the only saving grace was again, his voice at this time was at one of its peaks.

Re: Fav GI Tune ?

Fri Jul 13, 2012 9:10 am

fn2drive wrote:Doc what makes you prefer these outtakes instead of the original masters? Thx

The arrangements are better, and the vocals are outstanding.


minkahed wrote:I actually agree with Doc on this one.

I really enjoy the four tracks he listed very much, especially, "Pocketful Of Rainbows".

It's a beautiful vocal and always makes me smile when I hear it.

memphisound wrote:Mine is Doin' The Best, but i agree with Djc, compared the the material elvis did before gi blues, it was like it was a completely different entertainer, the only saving grace was again, his voice at this time was at one of its peaks.

Thanks, fellows. Like me, I guess you aren't "most people." :D

::rocks

Re: Fav GI Tune ?

Fri Jul 13, 2012 9:29 am

drjohncarpenter wrote:
poormadpeter wrote:Complete balderdash. The Doc's opinion is only valid if one takes the viewpoint that Presley should only record rock n roll flavoured material.

No one is taking issue with anything other than the fact that the material was very weak overall, and any fire Presley and the musicians breathed into what they were given was shelved and remade.


When you say this Djc, do you mean that the colonels people or himself were telling the people at RCA who did the final mastering, messed with Elvis' sound and kept bringing elvis' voice out?
I get this after reading revelations of mm, that elvis was frequently pissed about this.

Re: Fav GI Tune ?

Fri Jul 13, 2012 7:08 pm

Good Time Charlie wrote:Doin' the Best I Can, with Shoppin' Around a close 2nd.

Ditto.

Re: Fav GI Tune ?

Fri Jul 13, 2012 7:12 pm

drjohncarpenter wrote:
poormadpeter wrote:Complete balderdash. The Doc's opinion is only valid if one takes the viewpoint that Presley should only record rock n roll flavoured material.

No one is taking issue with anything other than the fact that the material was very weak overall, and any fire Presley and the musicians breathed into what they were given was shelved and remade.

Recording crap is neither a way to "grow up musically" nor does it serve to make one a "more rounded entertainer."

Neatly sidestepping the additional fact (stated above) that Elvis himself was disturbed by what he had to work with underscores your unwillingness to accept or understand what was going on in 1960. The template for artistic disaster was set with the G.I. Blues soundtrack and film.


What drivel you spout - must be why this LP was his biggest seller up to that time and appeared at Number 1 on the charts in the US and UK.

From the Elvis Australia site:-

The best selling LP of 1961 was Elvis Presley's GI Blues which had entered the chart in the final weeks of 1960. GI Blues moved up to no.1 in the second week of 1961 to become Elvis' 5th no.1 LP, remained at the top throughout January and February, had another three weeks at no.1 in March and a further twelve weeks between April and June, spending a total of 22 weeks at no.1

Andy

Re: Fav GI Tune ?

Fri Jul 13, 2012 9:32 pm

memphisound wrote:
drjohncarpenter wrote:
poormadpeter wrote:Complete balderdash. The Doc's opinion is only valid if one takes the viewpoint that Presley should only record rock n roll flavoured material.

No one is taking issue with anything other than the fact that the material was very weak overall, and any fire Presley and the musicians breathed into what they were given was shelved and remade.


When you say this Djc, do you mean that the colonels people or himself were telling the people at RCA who did the final mastering, messed with Elvis' sound and kept bringing elvis' voice out?
I get this after reading revelations of mm, that elvis was frequently pissed about this.

No, it's not about mastering, but the actual performances chosen for release.

Re: Fav GI Tune ?

Fri Jul 13, 2012 10:53 pm

drjohncarpenter wrote:
memphisound wrote:
drjohncarpenter wrote:
poormadpeter wrote:Complete balderdash. The Doc's opinion is only valid if one takes the viewpoint that Presley should only record rock n roll flavoured material.

No one is taking issue with anything other than the fact that the material was very weak overall, and any fire Presley and the musicians breathed into what they were given was shelved and remade.


When you say this Djc, do you mean that the colonels people or himself were telling the people at RCA who did the final mastering, messed with Elvis' sound and kept bringing elvis' voice out?
I get this after reading revelations of mm, that elvis was frequently pissed about this.

No, it's not about mastering, but the actual performances chosen for release.


Presumably you are talking about the recordings from the first session that were shelved and remade the following week. Ernst Jorgensen has a very different view of things to you. He suggests that the first tries were merely "acceptable" (p133) and that "no one was happy about the whole affair". He tells us that the re-recordings of Big Boots and Shoppin Around were "substantial improvements" over the first versions (p134). His writing tells us that the new session was initially set up for the reworking of Tonight Is So Right For Love due to the copyright issues, but that it was Elvis who wanted to do the retakes of already completed songs. At the second session he was "more comforable and confident" (p134). He writes that "they'd struggled away at 'Pocketful of Rainbows', loping through twenty-nine takes with only an unsatisfactory master to show for it; now they got what they wanted in just two".

Clearly everyone (including Jorgensen and Elvis) thinks the remakes are better, except you. But you know better, of course.

Re: Fav GI Tune ?

Fri Jul 13, 2012 11:53 pm

The material recorded for G.I. Blues ranks among the most creative, best produced and most attractively sung of any Elvis vehicle. The film - and its soundtrack - may have been a departure from what Elvis had acted in and recorded prior to 1960, but this was a timely and professional vehicle that reaped terrific box office rewards and made a huge impact on the album charts. There's much to enjoy and appreciate in both the film and on the album -- both may be light and merely diverting, but Elvis was establishing himself as a proper leading man, and with it came an album appropriate to the film. Importantly, at this time, he was able to alternate the recording of material more attuned to his own creative zeal and the opportunities of a few challenging roles to contrast the box office friendly G.I. Blues and Blue Hawaii. Such was a trend that failed to continue, unfortunately. But the success of both G.I. Blues and Blue Hawaii could have been the envy of any number of actors and/or singers eager to find similar commercial triumphs.

On the soundtrack, I'm fond of Pocketful of Rainbows -- the delicate nature of Elvis's singing next to an appealing arrangement is a treat. Tonight Is So Right For Love plays very well on the Barcarolle from Offenbach's The Tales of Hoffman and is quite infectious in every respect -- I feel as though Offenbach holds up better than the use of Strauss' Tales from the Vienna Wood on Tonight is All Right For Love.

Frankfort Special is great fun, however -- both on screen and on the album. Elvis gives a riveting vocal that stays lively from the onset. It's quite a gem. And, although Wooden Heart isn't a song I listen to often, this affectionate ballad is not only sung with superlative phrasing in the most delicious tone, the Bavarian style orchestration is wholly appropriate and fits the context of the film's narrative splendidly. And although we may not be talking about Elvis's greatest recordings in G.I. Blues, there are many facets and rich aspects of his abilities as a vocalist on display here.

Re: Fav GI Tune ?

Sat Jul 14, 2012 12:25 am

poormadpeter wrote:Ernst Jorgensen has a very different view of things to you.

Fascinating. You should send him a PM with your keen analysis of the "G.I. Blues" sessions.

For those of us in this discussion, it seems clear my points hit home with many here, and that is very encouraging.
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Re: Fav GI Tune ?

Sat Jul 14, 2012 1:02 am

drjohncarpenter wrote:
poormadpeter wrote:Ernst Jorgensen has a very different view of things to you.

Fascinating. You should sent him a PM with your keen analysis of the "G.I. Blues" sessions.

For those of us in this discussion, it seems clear my points hit home with many here, and that is very encouraging.


For someone who doesn't like being challenged on these boards, you have a great knack of getting up people's noses.

Re: Fav GI Tune ?

Sat Jul 14, 2012 1:52 am

I have to erase all memory of the appalling movie to listen to the songs, which is increasingly easy to do as I only saw it once, in the late 90s! But enjoy the songs I do, Frankfort Special is very bizarre but cool, I think it's my favourite, I just wish those idiots echoing Elvis weren't there.

Re: Fav GI Tune ?

Sat Jul 14, 2012 4:55 am

JimmyCool wrote:
stevelecher wrote:I always considered the elongated "Tonight's All Right" to be a very sloppy, abrupt, jarring edit, artificially lengthening the song. The short version is what Elvis laid down in the studio and if they needed to lengthen it, I'm surprised they made such a mess of it.

That's why I don't like the extended version of "Blue River" either.


there's LOTS of reasons not to like Blue River

Re: Fav GI Tune ?

Sat Jul 14, 2012 4:55 am

greystoke wrote:The material recorded for G.I. Blues ranks among the most creative, best produced and most attractively sung of any Elvis vehicle. The film - and its soundtrack - may have been a departure from what Elvis had acted in and recorded prior to 1960, but this was a timely and professional vehicle that reaped terrific box office rewards and made a huge impact on the album charts. There's much to enjoy and appreciate in both the film and on the album -- both may be light and merely diverting, but Elvis was establishing himself as a proper leading man, and with it came an album appropriate to the film. Importantly, at this time, he was able to alternate the recording of material more attuned to his own creative zeal and the opportunities of a few challenging roles to contrast the box office friendly G.I. Blues and Blue Hawaii. Such was a trend that failed to continue, unfortunately. But the success of both G.I. Blues and Blue Hawaii could have been the envy of any number of actors and/or singers eager to find similar commercial triumphs.

On the soundtrack, I'm fond of Pocketful of Rainbows -- the delicate nature of Elvis's singing next to an appealing arrangement is a treat. Tonight Is So Right For Love plays very well on the Barcarolle from Offenbach's The Tales of Hoffman and is quite infectious in every respect -- I feel as though Offenbach holds up better than the use of Strauss' Tales from the Vienna Wood on Tonight is All Right For Love.

Frankfort Special is great fun, however -- both on screen and on the album. Elvis gives a riveting vocal that stays lively from the onset. It's quite a gem. And, although Wooden Heart isn't a song I listen to often, this affectionate ballad is not only sung with superlative phrasing in the most delicious tone, the Bavarian style orchestration is wholly appropriate and fits the context of the film's narrative splendidly. And although we may not be talking about Elvis's greatest recordings in G.I. Blues, there are many facets and rich aspects of his abilities as a vocalist on display here.

Nice post, Greystoke.

Re: Fav GI Tune ?

Sat Jul 14, 2012 4:59 am

Thanks, Steve.

Re: Fav GI Tune ?

Sat Jul 14, 2012 7:28 am

My fav songs from this Album are:-

Pocketful Of Rainbows :D
Shoppin' Around 8)
Doin' The Best I Can 8)
Frankfort Special :? :)
Wooden Heart :wink:

Re: Fav GI Tune ?

Sat Jul 14, 2012 3:30 pm

drjohncarpenter wrote:
poormadpeter wrote:Ernst Jorgensen has a very different view of things to you.

Fascinating. You should send him a PM with your keen analysis of the "G.I. Blues" sessions.

For those of us in this discussion, it seems clear my points hit home with many here, and that is very encouraging.


On the contrary, NO-ONE has agreed thus far with your comments that the arrangements and performances of the first versions of the songs were superior to the remakes used on the albums.

And, since a well-respected source who has access to studio memos and all the session tapes makes NO mention of the second session being scheduled because the original versions were "too rough", perhaps you could name your source for the following:

"it is further significant that the powers that be (Paramount, RCA, management) found the April session at RCA Hollywood produced some masters that were too "rough," scheduling another date a week later at Radio Recorders where the arrangements were muted and performances generally emasculated."

Considering both Jorgensen and Guralnick both state that ELVIS wanted to redo the original recordings because he was unsatisfied with them and had not felt comfortable in the recording location, it would be most interesting to find out where your information comes from!


What? No reply? How strange.

Re: Fav GI Tune ?

Sun Jul 29, 2012 5:42 am

Incidentally, many biographies address Presley's disenchantment with the "G.I. Blues" soundtrack.

Here's one example. Elvis hated half of the songs, and wanted them removed:

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Peter Guralnick, Careless Love: The Unmaking of Elvis Presley (New York: Little, Brown, 1999)
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Re: Fav GI Tune ?

Sun Jul 29, 2012 5:46 am

Blue Suede Shoes , Shoppin' Around and Frankfurt Special (Fast take).