Reconsider Baby live => Where's the Sax?
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Reconsider Baby live => Where's the Sax?
I always enjoyed Elvis' performance of this song in concert. Vegas in '69. MSG in '72. Just a pity that someone in the Joe Guercio Orchestra didn't wail on the Saxaphone like the studio recording...may not have had the same feel as Boots' version but still would have complemented the song well in concert...
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Re: Reconsider Baby live => Where's the Sax?
Elvis couldn't afford to pay the sax player.
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I like James' guitar work on the live versions. For me the Pittsburgh New years' eve version is the best.
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Re: Reconsider Baby live => Where's the Sax?
Good observation, Elvis Fan... I agree (even though Bobby Morris Orchestra in '69)Elvis Fan wrote:I always enjoyed Elvis' performance of this song in concert. Vegas in '69. MSG in '72. Just a pity that someone in the Joe Guercio Orchestra didn't wail on the Saxaphone like the studio recording...may not have had the same feel as Boots' version but still would have complemented the song well in concert...
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Re: Reconsider Baby live => Where's the Sax?
In his mature period Elvis eschewed his early '60s sound. Also, the sound of the sax in rock 'n' roll had kind of taken a backseat to more modern guitar stylings. It had become a cliché.Elvis Fan wrote:I always enjoyed Elvis' performance of this song in concert. Vegas in '69. MSG in '72. Just a pity that someone in the Joe Guercio Orchestra didn't wail on the Saxaphone like the studio recording...may not have had the same feel as Boots' version but still would have complemented the song well in concert...
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drjohncarpenter wrote:In his mature period Elvis eschewed his early '60s sound. Also, the sound of the sax in rock 'n' roll had kind of taken a backseat to more modern guitar stylings. It had become a cliché.Elvis Fan wrote:I always enjoyed Elvis' performance of this song in concert. Vegas in '69. MSG in '72. Just a pity that someone in the Joe Guercio Orchestra didn't wail on the Saxaphone like the studio recording...may not have had the same feel as Boots' version but still would have complemented the song well in concert...
Well, thank God Springsteen and Seger didn't follow that logic...
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In the mid-'70s, they helped to change that perception.Elvis Fan wrote:drjohncarpenter wrote:In his mature period Elvis eschewed his early '60s sound. Also, the sound of the sax in rock 'n' roll had kind of taken a backseat to more modern guitar stylings. It had become a cliché.Elvis Fan wrote:I always enjoyed Elvis' performance of this song in concert. Vegas in '69. MSG in '72. Just a pity that someone in the Joe Guercio Orchestra didn't wail on the Saxaphone like the studio recording...may not have had the same feel as Boots' version but still would have complemented the song well in concert...
Well, thank God Springsteen and Seger didn't follow that logic...
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Re: Reconsider Baby live => Where's the Sax?
Why bother to hire a saxophonist when most of your songs don't require one.
Elvis must have performed Reconsider baby around ten times from 1969 and 1977 so the saxophone player wouldn't even be required beyond that.
The other recordings of Elvis to feature a sax were performed even less than Reconsider baby was.
You'd be paying another musician a salary for nothing.
Elvis must have performed Reconsider baby around ten times from 1969 and 1977 so the saxophone player wouldn't even be required beyond that.
The other recordings of Elvis to feature a sax were performed even less than Reconsider baby was.
You'd be paying another musician a salary for nothing.
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Re: Reconsider Baby live => Where's the Sax?
9 times actually.brian wrote: Elvis must have performed Reconsider baby around ten times from 1969 and 1977 so the saxophone player wouldn't even be required beyond that.
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In the MSG version Elvis at least ta ta taded or hummed the sax part. So,obviously he liked it but was not about (at the time) to rework the newer arrangements. "I don't have time to fool with it" type thing had already set in.
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Maybe for the same reason he toured with an orchestra when most of his songs didn't require one.brian wrote:Why bother to hire a saxophonist when most of your songs don't require one.
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Re: Reconsider Baby live => Where's the Sax?
The Joe Guercio Orchestra had at least one saxophone player at various tours and Vegas seasons.
At one point, the great James Moody played saxophone in the orchestra.
Beside being a jazz star in his own right, he played with jazz giants like Dizzy Gillespie, Charlie Mingus & Elvin Jones
At one point, the great James Moody played saxophone in the orchestra.
Beside being a jazz star in his own right, he played with jazz giants like Dizzy Gillespie, Charlie Mingus & Elvin Jones
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IIRC, Elvis "ta ta taded" the guitar lick, not the sax.Juan Luis wrote:In the MSG version Elvis at least ta ta taded or hummed the sax part. So,obviously he liked it but was not about (at the time) to rework the newer arrangements. "I don't have time to fool with it" type thing had already set in.
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Trombone maybe.GregCieslik wrote:Wasn't sax used on the Mystery Train live versions?
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Re: Reconsider Baby live => Where's the Sax?
Wow! Only 9 times? Well, he should have done it more. Ha. I'd bet money that there were members of the orchestra who could play a handful of instruments each. A sax part in Steamroller Blues would have been sweet, too. I really wonder how often members of the orchestra and TCB were challenged in concert post 1972...memphisound wrote:9 times actually.brian wrote: Elvis must have performed Reconsider baby around ten times from 1969 and 1977 so the saxophone player wouldn't even be required beyond that.
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What sounds to me like a sax is heard in the chorus of Proud Mary, particularly in the 10 June afternoon show.
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I would suggest that the sax in Presley's studio recording had become cliched as early as around 1963. It reminds me a bit of when Roy Eldridge (trumpet) toured with the Ella Fitzgerald trio in 1963/64. Like Boots, he was a great talent, but there seemed to be an effort to shoehorn that talent into as many numbers as possible and was thus over-used. Both Boots and Roy were surplus to requirements.
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Elvis was married.............. You ought to know :::::: Ain't no sax after marriage.
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And of those 9 times, we are lucky 2 were captured in multi-track tape and a few more soundboards.Elvis Fan wrote:Wow! Only 9 times? Well, he should have done it more. Ha. I'd bet money that there were members of the orchestra who could play a handful of instruments each. A sax part in Steamroller Blues would have been sweet, too. I really wonder how often members of the orchestra and TCB were challenged in concert post 1972...memphisound wrote:9 times actually.brian wrote: Elvis must have performed Reconsider baby around ten times from 1969 and 1977 so the saxophone player wouldn't even be required beyond that.
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REBL wrote:Elvis was married.............. You ought to know :::::: Ain't no sax after marriage.
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A belated You're right!minkahed wrote:IIRC, Elvis "ta ta taded" the guitar lick, not the sax.Juan Luis wrote:In the MSG version Elvis at least ta ta taded or hummed the sax part. So,obviously he liked it but was not about (at the time) to rework the newer arrangements. "I don't have time to fool with it" type thing had already set in.
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This seems to me another indication of the malaise that Elvis had slipped into - the refusal to see and seize opportunities to stretch himself, the show and the audience. Reconsider Baby was always a welcome inclusion to the setlist even if the band was under-rehearsed and the performance perfunctory as a result. Apparently Elvis toyed with changing up the setlist for MSG, and the inclusion of RB in one show was about as close as he went. But imagine if he had called Boots in for the gig, rehearsed the band to the nth degree, and pulled out all the stops. Then there would have been something to remember - a real treat for deep and casual fans alike. Instead it was business as usual and the recorded concert made do with The Impossible Dream instead. Now that's a cliché!
And I don't accept that the sax being clichéd by the early 70s - surely no more so than the standard instruments in any rock outfit. And we all know that as originally performed RB did away entirely with matters of cliché, pastiche or formula - blowing that hard and focused is always in style, and for the song a whole lot more appropriate than another routine James Burton solo. Again, that was a genuine, dead-set cliché by '72!
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And I don't accept that the sax being clichéd by the early 70s - surely no more so than the standard instruments in any rock outfit. And we all know that as originally performed RB did away entirely with matters of cliché, pastiche or formula - blowing that hard and focused is always in style, and for the song a whole lot more appropriate than another routine James Burton solo. Again, that was a genuine, dead-set cliché by '72!
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Re: Reconsider Baby live => Where's the Sax?
Also, The Stones used the sax a bit in their early 70's recordings with Bobby Keysdrjohncarpenter wrote:In the mid-'70s, they helped to change that perception.Elvis Fan wrote:drjohncarpenter wrote:In his mature period Elvis eschewed his early '60s sound. Also, the sound of the sax in rock 'n' roll had kind of taken a backseat to more modern guitar stylings. It had become a cliché.Elvis Fan wrote:I always enjoyed Elvis' performance of this song in concert. Vegas in '69. MSG in '72. Just a pity that someone in the Joe Guercio Orchestra didn't wail on the Saxaphone like the studio recording...may not have had the same feel as Boots' version but still would have complemented the song well in concert...
Well, thank God Springsteen and Seger didn't follow that logic...