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Superior Outtakes versus Master Studio Recordings

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Which outtakes/alternate takes do you consider better than the released master ?

I could think of some, like the solo version of "Lonely Man", for instance.

I would be interested to compile such a compilation for friends.


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James27 wrote:Which outtakes/alternate takes do you consider better than the released master ?

I could think of some, like the solo version of "Lonely Man", for instance.

I would be interested to compile such a compilation for friends.
Your example is one of the few that I might choose over the released master. Most of the choices Elvis made, when he was making the call, were right on the money.

A few others, songs issued in Elvis' lifetime, that spring to mind:

"I Beg Of You" (1957) - first version
"Ain't That Loving You Baby" (1958) - uptempo arrangement
"I Need Somebody To Lean On" (1963) - soundtrack version
"Baby What You Want Me To Do" (1968) - complete, unedited small combo version
"Always On My Mind" (1972) - alternate version seen in 1981's "This Is Elvis"


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I've always been partial to the alternate versions of "She Thinks I Still Care" and "Amazing Grace." Also, I like the alternate version of "Little Egypt" better than the master, but that may be because I think the sound is better.

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drjohncarpenter wrote:
James27 wrote:Which outtakes/alternate takes do you consider better than the released master ?

I could think of some, like the solo version of "Lonely Man", for instance.

I would be interested to compile such a compilation for friends.
Your example is one of the few that I might choose over the released master. Most of the choices Elvis made, when he was making the call, were right on the money.

A few others, songs issued in Elvis' lifetime, that spring to mind:

"I Beg Of You" (1957) - first version
"Ain't That Loving You Baby" (1958) - uptempo arrangement
"I Need Somebody To Lean On" (1963) - soundtrack version
"Baby What You Want Me To Do" (1968) - complete, unedited small combo version
"Always On My Mind" (1972) - alternate version seen in 1981's "This Is Elvis"
Good list!


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Amazing Grace is a good example of a superior version. I would also suggest the version of And I Love You So from Platinum.



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Shake, Rattle & Roll (Take 8 )
Mean Woman Blues (Movie Version)
I Beg Of You (Take 12)
Loving You (KX Take 21)
Treat Me Nice (Movie Version)
Ain't That Loving You, Baby (Fast Version, "Reconsider Baby" Edit)
Milky White Way (Take 3)
I Believe In The Man In The Sky (Take 1)
He Knows Just What I Need (Take 8 )
Lonely Man (Take 4)
Steppin' Out Of Line ("Movie" Version)
Mexico (Take 7)
I Think I'm Gonna Like It Here (Remake)
The Bullfighter Was A Lady (Remake, Take 17)
Little Egypt (Remake, Take 21)
She's A Machine (Take 13)
Baby, If You Give Me All Of Your Love (Take 2)
You'll Never Walk Alone (Take 2)
Amazing Grace (Take 2)
I'll Be Home On Christmas Day (Take 4)
Always On My Mind (Rehearsal, overdubbed version from "This Is Elvis")


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Yes, I agree with You'll Never Walk Alone too!



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Promise Land (Take 11) from the Rhythm and Country album.




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Doc: I Need Somebody To Lean On record version and soundtrack version, to my ears, are the same. Are you talking of the alternate take that has been released by FTD? That's good but the studio master is perfect.



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stevelecher wrote:Doc: I Need Somebody To Lean On record version and soundtrack version, to my ears, are the same. Are you talking of the alternate take that has been released by FTD? That's good but the studio master is perfect.
The movie version is the master take with additional overdubs (saxophone) :wink:


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I like all the variations of Treat Me Nice..excellent..


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These are just a few alternates that are better than the masters that featured on his Albums:

"Shake, Rattle and Roll" (Alternate Take 8.)
"Ain't That Loving You Baby" (Alternate Take 11)
"Pocketful of Rainbows" (1st Version Take 28 - Alternate Master) [p.s. I'm pretty sure it's this one, the faster version with the much better bass line]
"Lonely Man" ('Solo' Master)
"Today, Tomorrow and Forever" (Duet Master)
"And I Love You So" (Alternate Take 1)


I also have soft spots for these alternate takes:

"(Let's Have a) Party" (Take 7 - Alternate Master)
"King Creole" (1st Version Take 18 - Alternate Master)
"Your Cheatin' Heart" (Take 9 - Alternate Master)
"There Is So Much World to See" (1st Version Take 10 - Alternate Master)

And there's loads more I just can't be bothered to go through them all. Many of the 1950's alternates are superb.
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I think Doc is referring to the version on the soundtrack with the overdubs. Nice version!

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MysteryTrain wrote:I think this is the version of "I Need Somebody To Lean On" that Doc was referring to: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=4N1RM4R8

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I Love You Because, take 2

I Beg Of You, first version

Just Tell Her Jim Said Hello, version with that awfull doorbell-triangle mixed down

Fairytale, never one of my favourite Elvis songs but the version on Great Country Songs is much better than originally released

Too Much Monkey Business, very hard to make choice between released and rockabilly version



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The take of "Green Green Grass Of Home" on "Great Country Songs" is waaaaay better than the master.
The spoken part with the sigh just gives the song so much more feeling!


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I enjoy listening to the alternate take of "Fame and Fortune" that is in a higher key and was oringinally released on A Legendary Performer Volume 3. In addition, I really like the uptempo version of "Loving You" that is used over the opening credits.


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JimmyCool wrote:
stevelecher wrote:Doc: I Need Somebody To Lean On record version and soundtrack version, to my ears, are the same. Are you talking of the alternate take that has been released by FTD? That's good but the studio master is perfect.
The movie version is the master take with additional overdubs (saxophone) :wink:
I agree. There is also some echo or other effect to make greater the difference when Elvis is thinking the song (in the scene) and when he starts singing. But it is the same master take.



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Rockin_John wrote:The take of "Green Green Grass Of Home" on "Great Country Songs" is waaaaay better than the master.
The spoken part with the sigh just gives the song so much more feeling!
It sends chills down my spine... very emotional, I like it too.


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stevelecher wrote:Doc: I Need Somebody To Lean On record version and soundtrack version, to my ears, are the same.
No, they're not quite. The overdubbed saxophone that was added at MGM in early September 1963 adds another dollop of melancholy to one of Elvis' finest soundtrack tunes. It was not included on the RCA release in 1964.


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Rockin_John wrote:The take of "Green Green Grass Of Home" on "Great Country Songs" is waaaaay better than the master.
The spoken part with the sigh just gives the song so much more feeling!
I totally agree.

drjohncarpenter wrote:The overdubbed saxophone that was added at MGM in early September 1963 adds another dollop of melancholy to one of Elvis' finest soundtrack tunes.
What bootleg CD can this movie version be found on?

Also, speaking of movie versions - The actual movie soundtrack version of "C'mon Everybody" really comes to life with the overdubs!


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What bootleg CD can this movie version be found on?

I don't think the movie version (with the overdubs) is on any bootleg.


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chevyford wrote:The actual movie soundtrack version of "C'mon Everybody" really comes to life with the overdubs!
I remember hearing the overdubbed version of this on the radio in the mid-1980s. I've never run across it since, though.




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JimmyCool wrote:
Rockin_John wrote:The take of "Green Green Grass Of Home" on "Great Country Songs" is waaaaay better than the master.
The spoken part with the sigh just gives the song so much more feeling!
It sends chills down my spine... very emotional, I like it too.
Makes one wonder why Elvis didn't choose it as the master! :?


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chevyford wrote:
JimmyCool wrote:
Rockin_John wrote:The take of "Green Green Grass Of Home" on "Great Country Songs" is waaaaay better than the master.
The spoken part with the sigh just gives the song so much more feeling!
It sends chills down my spine... very emotional, I like it too.
Makes one wonder why Elvis didn't choose it as the master! :?
I like this alternate a lot, too, for the same reason mentioned. However, I wonder if it only stands out so much to us because it is different from the master that we have heard for so long? In other words, if we had always heard it this way, would it be as powerful?


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