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Re: SoundScan (US) sales-figures (3/11: 9 new sales-figures)

Wed Nov 09, 2011 2:29 am

minkahed wrote:
Gold Record wrote:Any sales data on 2nd To None ?


I saw a page that listed this particular release scanning just over 900,000 units.
It got close, but I have seen no recent figures for an accurate amount.


2nd To None had scanned a total of 952,000 units through August 2010.

Re: SoundScan (US) sales-figures (3/11: 9 new sales-figures)

Wed Nov 09, 2011 4:03 am

Daryl wrote:What about "Elvis By The Presleys"? Being that it was a 2 CD set, it would have only needed 250,000 units sold to go Gold. I'm also curious about the "Today, Tomorrow And Forever" box set. Any numbers out there yet on either the Legacy Edition of "Elvis Presley" or the "Young Man With The Big Beat" box set?

By the looks of it, "Christmas Duets" is getting very close, if it hasn't already gone over the 500,000 threshold for a gold record. I'm also kind of curious about "2nd To None." The album sold moderately well initially but over time it's become clear that "ELV1S 30 #1 Hits" has become a evergreen title while its followup "2nd To None" has not.

Daryl


(i) Elvis By The Presleys spent 9 weeks on the Billboard 200, during this time-period the album scanned 182,000 copies. After leaving the Billboard 200, the album spent a further 10 weeks on the Soundtrack chart. I remember doing some calculations on this a couple of years ago, can't remember exactly what figure I ended up with though. But somewhere just above 200k. <- This figure was reached just before the 4th quarter of 2005, thus, one could imagine it sold a few copies during the holiday season too.

So... how come that, to this day - 6 years later - the album has yet to be certified GOLD. As you pointed out, Daryl, it is a 2CD album after all. Well, either it has yet to ship 250,000 (it must be very very close to 250k). Or... it seems as "Elvis By The Presleys" doesn't meet the criteria for a Multi-Disc Album certification. To meet the criteria, multi-disc albums are required to have a minimum running time of 100 minutes. "Elvis By The Presleys" total running time is 99 minutes and 27 seconds (99:27)...

(ii) Today, Tomorrow And Forever - 63,000 / 252,000 discs (December 2003)

(iii) Artist Of The Century - 56,000 / 168,000 discs (December 2003)

(iv) Christmas Duets' sales:
- Holiday season 2008: ~350,000
- Holiday season 2009: ~60,000
- Holiday season 2010: ~40,000
- Total (October 31, 2011) = 454,154

It would seem that it is - indeed - just a matter of time until this album is certified Gold.

Hope this helps,
Martin

Re: SoundScan (US) sales-figures (3/11: 9 new sales-figures)

Wed Nov 09, 2011 8:34 am

Mael wrote:
minkahed wrote:
Gold Record wrote:Any sales data on 2nd To None ?


I saw a page that listed this particular release scanning just over 900,000 units.
It got close, but I have seen no recent figures for an accurate amount.


2nd To None had scanned a total of 952,000 units through August 2010.


Certainly, by now, this disc has surpassed a Million in unit sales !

Re: SoundScan (US) sales-figures (3/11: 9 new sales-figures)

Fri Nov 11, 2011 1:49 pm

This 100 minutes thing is rubbish. There is bound to plenty of other Elvis releases that will fail to be certifiable because of the running time nonsense.

Re: SoundScan (US) sales-figures (3/11: 9 new sales-figures)

Sat Nov 12, 2011 7:14 am

likethebike wrote: Just look at the mere certified numbers for "Don't Be Cruel"

Original single- 4 million.

Elvis' Gold Records 6 million

Worldwide Gold Award Hits 1 million. (This is a guess based on award for 2 million and the fact that it's listed at two CDs.)

Pure Gold 2 million

Elvis 1973 3 million (5 million)

The Number One Hits 3 million

The Top Ten Hits 4 million

50 Years, 50 Hits 1million (see # two)

The King Of Rock n' Roll .4 million based upon the two million award for the box. Estimates are this set has moved in excess of one million copies.

30 Number One Hits 5 million

That's not including the top selling EP The Real Elvis some of the Time Life releases, numbers sold in between certifications, the other TV LPs and collections like The Essential Elvis.

Also -
A Legendary Performer Volume 1 = 2 x Platinum
Platinum - A Life In Music = Gold
The Elvis Presley Story (1977 Candlelite Music box set) = 2 x Platinum
Elvis: His Greatest Hits (Readers Digest compilation) = Platinum
Worldwide Gold Award Hits, Vol. 1 & 2 (club version) = Platinum

Uncertified releases:
Elvis 56
Greatest Jukebox Hits
ELVIS (2nd album) expanded cd edition
Best of Elvis Presley
Artist Of The Century
Best Of Artist Of The Century
The Elvis Medley (album)
The Great Performances
24 Karat Hits!
ELVIS75 Good Rockin' Tonight
Young Man With The Big Beat
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Re: SoundScan (US) sales-figures (3/11: 9 new sales-figures)

Sat Nov 12, 2011 7:40 am

minkahed wrote:
Mael wrote:
minkahed wrote:
Gold Record wrote:Any sales data on 2nd To None ?


I saw a page that listed this particular release scanning just over 900,000 units.
It got close, but I have seen no recent figures for an accurate amount.


2nd To None had scanned a total of 952,000 units through August 2010.


Certainly, by now, this disc has surpassed a Million in unit sales !

Elvis.com has 2nd To None listed as "Platinum", so yes, it has already sold over a million. - http://www.elvis.com/about-the-king/mus ... lbums.aspx

Re: SoundScan (US) sales-figures (3/11: 9 new sales-figures)

Sat Nov 12, 2011 10:11 pm

Gold Record wrote:
minkahed wrote:
Mael wrote:
minkahed wrote:
Gold Record wrote:Any sales data on 2nd To None ?


I saw a page that listed this particular release scanning just over 900,000 units.
It got close, but I have seen no recent figures for an accurate amount.


2nd To None had scanned a total of 952,000 units through August 2010.


Certainly, by now, this disc has surpassed a Million in unit sales !

Elvis.com has 2nd To None listed as "Platinum", so yes, it has already sold over a million. - http://www.elvis.com/about-the-king/mus ... lbums.aspx


minkahead & Gold Record,

2nd To None was released on October 7, 2003. Less than two months later - on November 24, 2003 - it was certified Platinum (1,000,000 units shipped (-returns) ). The figure I posted, 952,000, is the over-the-counter sales (SoundScan) 2nd To None had as of August 2010.

Another difference between SoundScan and RIAA, is that RIAA's certification levels are based on sales from a wider range of accounts, including non-retail record clubs, mail order houses, specialty stores, units shipped for Internet fulfillment or direct marketing sales, such as TV-advertised albums.

... A good example, which demonstrates the difference between SoundScan and RIAA, is the sales of Elvis 30 #1 Hits' in 2002. By December 31, 2002, '30 #1 Hits' had scanned 2,41 million units (over-the-counter sales) through SoundScan, whilst its net-sales (units shipped - returns) was at 3,025 million. Thus, it was eligible for a 3x Platinum certification, yet it had not actually "sold" 3 million units.

In the case of 2nd To None, I can imagine that its over-the-counter sales also has passed the million mark by now. However, I'm not saying it sold 50,000 units in the past year. No, I’m referring to SoundScan’s slightly “narrower” accountancy of sales.

Hope this helps,
Martin

Re: SoundScan (US) sales-figures (3/11: 9 new sales-figures)

Sun Nov 13, 2011 12:28 am

Hey Mael,

Do you have any info on the box set of single CDs that came out in I think 2006 that featured Elvis' #1 hit singles. It featured 20 CDs and each CD featured the A and B side of each of Elvis' 20 U.S. #1 Hit singles from both Cashbox and Billboard.

Heartbreak Hotel / I Was The One
I Want You, I Need You, I Love You / My Baby Left Me
Don't Be Cruel / Hound Dog
Love Me Tender / Any Way You Want Me
Too Much / Playing For Keeps
All Shook Up / That's When Your Heartaches Begin
(Let Me Be Your) Teddy Bear / Loving You
Jailhouse Rock / Treat Me Nice
Don't / I Beg Of You
Hard Headed Woman / Don't Ask Me Why
A Big Hunk O' Love / My Wish Came True
Stuck On You / Fame And Fortune
It's Now Or Never / A Mess Of Blues
Are You Lonesome Tonight? / I Gotta Know
Surrender / Lonely Man
Good Luck Charm / Anything That's Part Of You
Return To Sender / Where Do You Come From
In The Ghetto / Any Day Now
Suspicious Minds / You'll Think Of Me
Burning Love / It's A Matter Of Time

With 20 CDs, they only would have had to of sold 25,000 copies for it to have gone gold. 20 X 25,000= 500,000. Also do you have any sales info on "The Complete Elvis Presley Masters" or the Franklin Mint box set. "The Complete Elvis Presley Masters" with 30 CDs would have only needed 16,667 copies sold to reach Gold status. The Franklin Mint box set would have needed 13,889 copies sold to reach gold status.

Daryl

Re: SoundScan (US) sales-figures (3/11: 9 new sales-figures)

Sun Nov 13, 2011 7:10 pm

Daryl wrote:Hey Mael,

Do you have any info on the box set of single CDs that came out in I think 2006 that featured Elvis' #1 hit singles. It featured 20 CDs and each CD featured the A and B side of each of Elvis' 20 U.S. #1 Hit singles from both Cashbox and Billboard.

Heartbreak Hotel / I Was The One
I Want You, I Need You, I Love You / My Baby Left Me
Don't Be Cruel / Hound Dog
Love Me Tender / Any Way You Want Me
Too Much / Playing For Keeps
All Shook Up / That's When Your Heartaches Begin
(Let Me Be Your) Teddy Bear / Loving You
Jailhouse Rock / Treat Me Nice
Don't / I Beg Of You
Hard Headed Woman / Don't Ask Me Why
A Big Hunk O' Love / My Wish Came True
Stuck On You / Fame And Fortune
It's Now Or Never / A Mess Of Blues
Are You Lonesome Tonight? / I Gotta Know
Surrender / Lonely Man
Good Luck Charm / Anything That's Part Of You
Return To Sender / Where Do You Come From
In The Ghetto / Any Day Now
Suspicious Minds / You'll Think Of Me
Burning Love / It's A Matter Of Time

With 20 CDs, they only would have had to of sold 25,000 copies for it to have gone gold. 20 X 25,000= 500,000. Also do you have any sales info on "The Complete Elvis Presley Masters" or the Franklin Mint box set. "The Complete Elvis Presley Masters" with 30 CDs would have only needed 16,667 copies sold to reach Gold status. The Franklin Mint box set would have needed 13,889 copies sold to reach gold status.

Daryl



Daryl, these sets were all very limited in quantity, correct me if I am wrong, but the #1 "Singles" set, (which is now only 7 #1's), was limited to 10,000 and "The Complete Masters" to 2,000, so unless they were shipped in the mad quantities you listed, there's no chance of any RIAA awards.

Re: SoundScan (US) sales-figures (3/11: 9 new sales-figures)

Sat Nov 26, 2011 1:38 am

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Last week, Elvis Presley sold more catalog albums (32,609) than any other artist in the US (based on the Top200 Catalog album chart). Elvis also had the most titles listed on this chart, nine.

#1 Elvis Presley 32,609
#2 Susan Boyle 21, 219
#3 Adele 18, 512
...
...
- Pink Floyd 13,457
- Michael Jackson 11,209
- Frank Sinatra 8,455
- Johnny Cash 8,262
- Beatles 4,609

_______________________________________

Total Sales (as of November 20, 2011):
- It's Christmas Time - 1,307,601
- Elvis' Christmas - 531,075
- An Afternoon In The Garden - 370,453
- Christmas Duets - 460,005
- Best Of Love (2007 re-issue) - 189,537
- Elvis Country - 61,569
- An Evening Prayer - 110,926
- Blue Christmas - 726,469
- Elvis Rock - 121,511
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Re: SoundScan (US) sales-figures (25/11: new update!)

Sat Nov 26, 2011 4:49 am

I didn't know Susan Boyle had been around long enough to have anything considered "catalog"!
Maybe once a title drops out of the Top200 it then becomes a catalog item.

Elvis Presley sold more cd's than the Beatles, Cash, Sinatra, and Michael Jackson combined?!?!?! Yes!

Re: SoundScan (US) sales-figures (3/11: 9 new sales-figures)

Sat Nov 26, 2011 9:20 am

Mael wrote:Image


Last week, Elvis Presley sold more catalog albums (32,609) than any other artist in the US (based on the Top200 Catalog album chart). Elvis also had the most titles listed on this chart, nine.

#1 Elvis Presley 32,609
#2 Susan Boyle 21, 219
#3 Adele 18, 512
...
...
- Pink Floyd 13,457
- Michael Jackson 11,209
- Frank Sinatra 8,455
- Johnny Cash 8,262
- Beatles 4,609

_______________________________________

Total Sales (as of November 20, 2011):
- It's Christmas Time - 1,307,601
- Elvis' Christmas - 531,075
- An Afternoon In The Garden - 370,453
- Christmas Duets - 460,005
- Best Of Love (2007 re-issue) - 189,537
- Elvis Country - 61,569
- An Evening Prayer - 110,926
- Blue Christmas - 726,469
- Elvis Rock - 121,511


Awesome! Great work Mael!

Re: SoundScan (US) sales-figures (3/11: 9 new sales-figures)

Sat Nov 26, 2011 10:06 am

Mael wrote:Image


Last week, Elvis Presley sold more catalog albums (32,609) than any other artist in the US (based on the Top200 Catalog album chart). Elvis also had the most titles listed on this chart, nine.

#1 Elvis Presley 32,609
#2 Susan Boyle 21, 219
#3 Adele 18, 512
...
...
- Pink Floyd 13,457
- Michael Jackson 11,209
- Frank Sinatra 8,455
- Johnny Cash 8,262
- Beatles 4,609

_______________________________________

Total Sales (as of November 20, 2011):
- It's Christmas Time - 1,307,601
- Elvis' Christmas - 531,075
- An Afternoon In The Garden - 370,453
- Christmas Duets - 460,005
- Best Of Love (2007 re-issue) - 189,537
- Elvis Country - 61,569
- An Evening Prayer - 110,926
- Blue Christmas - 726,469
- Elvis Rock - 121,511


Those are amazing statistics. Thanks for posting. I wonder what the sudden attraction is with 'An Afternoon in the Garden' and 'Elvis Country'? The Christmas albums you would expect a seasonal push but there seems no specific reason for the above titles to do so well.
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Re: SoundScan (US) sales-figures (3/11: 9 new sales-figures)

Sat Nov 26, 2011 1:31 pm

[quote="Mael"]Image


Last week, Elvis Presley sold more catalog albums (32,609) than any other artist in the US (based on the Top200 Catalog album chart). Elvis also had the most titles listed on this chart, nine.

#1 Elvis Presley 32,609
#2 Susan Boyle 21, 219
#3 Adele 18, 512
...
...
- Pink Floyd 13,457
- Michael Jackson 11,209
- Frank Sinatra 8,455
- Johnny Cash 8,262
- Beatles 4,609

_______________________________________



Thanks for the post, Martin
I noticed if you add up the total of the nine albums, it equals to 32609. Does that mean only 9 Elvis albums were sold for that week? I am sure many albums in the Elvis catalogue must have been sold in that same week, Elvis 30 #1 Hits, to name one.

Re: SoundScan (US) sales-figures (25/11: new update!)

Sat Nov 26, 2011 1:40 pm

Nice figures, but I can't determine if it is good or bad. Elvis needs 9 titles to make these sales while Susan Boyle almost does the same with two titles. Does this prove the strategy of RCA/BMG/Sony right or not?

Re: SoundScan (US) sales-figures (25/11: new update!)

Sat Nov 26, 2011 2:24 pm

I don't know about strategy? I think the real question to ponder is: How much product will Susan Boyle sell when she's dead and gone going on 35 years? Sell on, E!

Re: SoundScan (US) sales-figures (25/11: new update!)

Sat Nov 26, 2011 3:37 pm

Like your avatar, Mael! :wink:

Re: SoundScan (US) sales-figures (25/11: new update!)

Sat Nov 26, 2011 3:53 pm

londonflash wrote:Like your avatar, Mael! :wink:

You could sue him for copyright! :smt002

Re: SoundScan (US) sales-figures (25/11: new update!)

Sat Nov 26, 2011 4:27 pm

londonflash wrote:Like your avatar, Mael! :wink:

Right back at ya! ;)

Re: SoundScan (US) sales-figures (25/11: new update!)

Sat Nov 26, 2011 5:09 pm

Martin can you post this on Elvis Presley US Charts & Sales History please.

Re: SoundScan (US) sales-figures (25/11: new update!)

Sat Nov 26, 2011 5:19 pm

The Wal Marts down by me were flooded yesterday !!!

Let's hope Elvis sells alot over "Black Friday" weekend !

Re: SoundScan (US) sales-figures (25/11: new update!)

Sat Nov 26, 2011 5:23 pm

Gold Record wrote:I didn't know Susan Boyle had been around long enough to have anything considered "catalog"!
Maybe once a title drops out of the Top200 it then becomes a catalog item.


Billboard defines a catalog title as one that is more than eighteen months old and that has fallen below position 100 on the Billboard 200. The only exception to the "eighteen months old" rule pertains to holiday releases. A "holiday" release is eligible for the Top Catalog Albums chart after its first year.

Two Susan Boyle albums are listed on this week's Catalog album chart, I Dreamed A Dream (2009) & The Gift (2010). Both are holiday albums.

Jove wrote:Thanks for the post, Martin
I noticed if you add up the total of the nine albums, it equals to 32609. Does that mean only 9 Elvis albums were sold for that week? I am sure many albums in the Elvis catalogue must have been sold in that same week, Elvis 30 #1 Hits, to name one.


No, this figure - 32,609 - only includes sales from Elvis' albums listed on the Top200 Catalog Album Chart. The Elvis Presley catalogue is one of (if not the) largest there is. In 2008, over 60 Elvis' albums was listed on the UK Year-End (Top 10,000) Albums list - more than any other artist.
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Re: SoundScan (US) sales-figures (25/11: new update!)

Sat Nov 26, 2011 9:33 pm

Excellent sales statistics as always, thanks Mael!

Re: SoundScan (US) sales-figures (3/11: 9 new sales-figures)

Sat Nov 26, 2011 10:21 pm

Mael wrote:
Daryl wrote:What about "Elvis By The Presleys"? Being that it was a 2 CD set, it would have only needed 250,000 units sold to go Gold. I'm also curious about the "Today, Tomorrow And Forever" box set. Any numbers out there yet on either the Legacy Edition of "Elvis Presley" or the "Young Man With The Big Beat" box set?

By the looks of it, "Christmas Duets" is getting very close, if it hasn't already gone over the 500,000 threshold for a gold record. I'm also kind of curious about "2nd To None." The album sold moderately well initially but over time it's become clear that "ELV1S 30 #1 Hits" has become a evergreen title while its followup "2nd To None" has not.

Daryl


(i) Elvis By The Presleys spent 9 weeks on the Billboard 200, during this time-period the album scanned 182,000 copies. After leaving the Billboard 200, the album spent a further 10 weeks on the Soundtrack chart. I remember doing some calculations on this a couple of years ago, can't remember exactly what figure I ended up with though. But somewhere just above 200k. <- This figure was reached just before the 4th quarter of 2005, thus, one could imagine it sold a few copies during the holiday season too.

So... how come that, to this day - 6 years later - the album has yet to be certified GOLD. As you pointed out, Daryl, it is a 2CD album after all. Well, either it has yet to ship 250,000 (it must be very very close to 250k). Or... it seems as "Elvis By The Presleys" doesn't meet the criteria for a Multi-Disc Album certification. To meet the criteria, multi-disc albums are required to have a minimum running time of 100 minutes. "Elvis By The Presleys" total running time is 99 minutes and 27 seconds (99:27)...

(ii) Today, Tomorrow And Forever - 63,000 / 252,000 discs (December 2003)

(iii) Artist Of The Century - 56,000 / 168,000 discs (December 2003)

(iv) Christmas Duets' sales:
- Holiday season 2008: ~350,000
- Holiday season 2009: ~60,000
- Holiday season 2010: ~40,000
- Total (October 31, 2011) = 454,154

It would seem that it is - indeed - just a matter of time until this album is certified Gold.

Hope this helps,
Martin


However, if "Duets" is declining in sales year-by-year (40,000in 2010), then I would imagine the Gold certification will come in Xmas 2012.

Re: SoundScan (US) sales-figures (3/11: 9 new sales-figures)

Sat Nov 26, 2011 10:25 pm

Delboy wrote:
Mael wrote:Image


Last week, Elvis Presley sold more catalog albums (32,609) than any other artist in the US (based on the Top200 Catalog album chart). Elvis also had the most titles listed on this chart, nine.

#1 Elvis Presley 32,609
#2 Susan Boyle 21, 219
#3 Adele 18, 512
...
...
- Pink Floyd 13,457
- Michael Jackson 11,209
- Frank Sinatra 8,455
- Johnny Cash 8,262
- Beatles 4,609

_______________________________________

Total Sales (as of November 20, 2011):
- It's Christmas Time - 1,307,601
- Elvis' Christmas - 531,075
- An Afternoon In The Garden - 370,453
- Christmas Duets - 460,005
- Best Of Love (2007 re-issue) - 189,537
- Elvis Country - 61,569
- An Evening Prayer - 110,926
- Blue Christmas - 726,469
- Elvis Rock - 121,511


Those are amazing statistics. Thanks for posting. I wonder what the sudden attraction is with 'An Afternoon in the Garden' and 'Elvis Country'? The Christmas albums you would expect a seasonal push but there seems no specific reason for the above titles to do so well.



Well, "Afternoon" was being sold at Wallmart for a reduced price, and this helped the album appearance in the Billboard 200 for several weeks (if not even this week). The Country albym - I'm don't know but - it may also be sold at at a lower price.