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Re: SoundScan (US) sales-figures

Sun Mar 24, 2013 10:29 pm

There is another major effort on this subject by Basil on the UKMix forum

http://www.ukmix.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=42924

Re: SoundScan (US) sales-figures

Sun Mar 24, 2013 11:57 pm

Thanks to you guys!!!!!!!!!! I basically just copied and pasted what it was wrtten on that UK page. Incidentally, I really can't answer the questions some of you asked, but perhaps Brian Quinn could.

What is definitively an issue here is whether with over 370 albums, one fifth of which are PERHAPS still available in the market, you know, in shelves throughout the US, Presley's catalogue REMAINS or DOES NOT REMAIN a gold mine for those who issue them via compilations and the like, especially the Christmas and Gospel albums. And I can say that it DOES!!

As to those albums which are near certification, I think Sony should make an effort and release identical albums to those near certification, and perhaps, in say, ten years' time, they could either go Gold, or be up graded to the next level, thereby adding to his totals. Otherwise, 499,000 copies has a zero value, like 1,999,999 does only a million count, or 2,999,999 only two million count and so on and so forth.

But to witness that Elvis is ranked # 11, of ALL artists since Soundscan began, SELLING MORE WHILE DEAD SINCE 1977 THAN every other artist save the Beatles and another 9 artists, is just INCREDIBLE, as is the fact that he ranks #2 amongst ALL catalogue artists, the Beatles being the top act, but with the latter having the advantage of having two of its members alive, and touring, and that's without even counting that a third member, George Harrison, was able to tour and further promote his, as well as the Beatles' image , for a full ten years, since Soundscan began, until his death.

Re: SoundScan (US) sales-figures

Mon Mar 25, 2013 6:27 pm

I still have hard time to believe that TTWII Special Editon sold only 25.000. Seriously, can it be so low?

Re: SoundScan (US) sales-figures

Mon Mar 25, 2013 6:49 pm

To compliment Jaime and Freds links and data, here's another one from Basil over on UKMIX- He's a well respected researcher on that site.(and he is not really an Elvis fan)

http://www.ukmix.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=21747

Re: SoundScan (US) sales-figures

Mon Mar 25, 2013 8:45 pm

Daryl wrote:Hello Jamie,

Thanks. I guess you can draw some conclusions from that list. A few that I've drawn are:

1.) The Legacy Editions sell moderately well, but nothing earth-shattering. I think as time goes on, you might see the sales figures for the Legacy Editions tally up and become more meaningful, as they are a great cursury overview of the best albums released by Presley throughout his career.

2. There are a few titles that seem stuck at a certain figure, yet you have to hope that somehow they can at least reach Gold status. ("Today, Tomorrow And Forever" box set from 2002 - 400,000 units, "Artist Of The Century" box set from 1999 - 375,000 units, "White Christmas" 1 CD from 2000 - 485,000 units, Time-Life's "Love Songs" 2 CD set from 1997 - 400,000 units, Time-Life's "Country" 2 CD set from 1998 - 350,000 units, "Peace In The Valley" 3 CD set from 2000 - 405,000 units)

3. I noticed that you made no mention of "The Essential Elvis Presley 3.0," which was simply a re-release of the 2007 release "The Essential Elvis Presley" but it featured a 3rd disc that included roughly 8 additional songs. How does the RIAA count the sales of the 3.0 version. Do they count it as a separate entity from the original release or are the sales combined? Speaking of which, how does the RIAA count the sales of the 2007 release "Elvis, Viva Las Vegas," given that it was released as a single disc compilation as well as a 2 CD set? Are these sales combined?

4. There are some releases on your list that you just knew didn't sell very well, including the 2000 release of "That's The Way It Is - Special Edition," the 2001 "Live In Las Vegas" box set and the 2003 "Close Up" box set.

5. You mentioned that "Elvis By The Presleys" is close to Gold status. Does it qualify for multi-disc status per the RIAA rules? I know the running time of the second disc is awfully short, with only about 8 tracks.

6. Do you have any idea how the RIAA comes to a total of 134.5 Million? Every time I've tried to break it down, it comes out like this:

Albums
1 Diamond Award X 10 Million = 10 Million
1 Multi-Platinum Award X 6 Million = 6 Million
3 Multi-Platinum Awards X 5 Million = 15 Million
1 Multi-Platinum Award X 4 Million = 4 Million
9 Multi-Platinum Awards X 3 Million = 27 Million
10 Multi-Platinum Awards X 2 Million = 20 Million
27 Platinum Awards X 1 Million = 27 Million
38 Gold Awards X 500,000 = 19 Million

Total Albums = 128 Million

For the extended plays, I come up with this:

Extended Plays
6 Gold Awards X 250,000 = 1.5 Million
8 Platinum Awards X 500,000 = 4 Million
2 Multi-Platinum Awards X 1 Million = 2 Million

Total Extended Plays = 7.5 Million

Combined Total = 128 Million + 7.5 Million = 135.5 Million

Like I said, I don't know how the RIAA derives at a total that's a million less than what I have.


Daryl,

Re. your points above:

1. I agree.

2. I hope so too. They will only sell if they have not been deleted or the price made exorbitant.

3. 'The Essential Elvis 3.0' would be treated as a new album and given a separate catalog number due to the third disc having more than the permitted 4 additional tracks. Regarding 'Viva Las Vegas' they would both be treated as separate releases and given separate catalog numbers.

4. Agreed. However, the Special Edition of TTWII Box Set sold 25,000 copies but all three discs were over 60 minutes in length therefore under RIAA rules would count for 3X sales i.e. 75,000 units.

5. 'Elvis By The Presleys' does not qualify for double sales under RIAA rules as the running time is below 120 minutes. Rules state that each disc must have 60 minutes playing time.

6. I think you will find that 'Amazing Grace' was erroneously certified as 2xP by the RIAA when in fact it should have been Platinum. The RIAA do not change certifications once made and hence the anomaly. However, it appears that they change the totals.This was brought to my attention many years ago by Todd Morgan at EPE. Of course, with the passage of time since the certification, it could now have achieved 2xP. Only SONY or Ernst Jorgensen could answer this.

I hope this helps.

Brian

Re: SoundScan (US) sales-figures

Wed Mar 27, 2013 2:42 pm

These figures, of course, are way outdated, correct ?

I stiil cannot see any justification that "Elvis' Golden Records", (1958), has not reached 10 million + in unit sales ...

Re: SoundScan (US) sales-figures

Thu Mar 28, 2013 12:56 am

Here's how Elvis' 8 best selling albums and 2 best selling DVD's did this week

Album............Soundscan sales this week................last week.............Total

HEART & SOUL ...................2,179...........................1,775............. 627,534
AFTERNOON IN THE GARDEN... 2,046.......................... 1,944............. 535,155
BEST OF LOVE.................... 1,843...........................1,816............. 347,079
ELVIS COUNTRY.................. 1,789.......................... .1,755............ 168,577
INSPIRATIONAL.................. 1,738............................1,532............. 140,941
ALOHA FROM HAWAII. 25th....1,521.............................163............... 605,837
I AM AN ELVIS FAN................. 443..............................522............... 27,981
VIVA LAS VEGAS.................... 418..............................452............... 54,629
Total..............................11,977


DVD.................Soundscan sales this week................last week.............Total

ELVIS HE TOUCHED ME............504................................59................ 218,102
ELVIS LIVES..FROM MEMPHIS.... 473................................62 ...............169,799

Re: SoundScan (US) sales-figures

Thu Mar 28, 2013 1:41 am

minkahed wrote:I stiil cannot see any justification that "Elvis' Golden Records", (1958), has not reached 10 million + in unit sales ...

I agree 100% !

Re: SoundScan (US) sales-figures

Thu Mar 28, 2013 2:44 pm

Jaime1234 wrote:Here's how Elvis' 8 best selling albums and 2 best selling DVD's did this week

Album............Soundscan sales this week................last week.............Total

HEART & SOUL ...................2,179...........................1,775............. 627,534
AFTERNOON IN THE GARDEN... 2,046.......................... 1,944............. 535,155
BEST OF LOVE.................... 1,843...........................1,816............. 347,079
ELVIS COUNTRY.................. 1,789.......................... .1,755............ 168,577
INSPIRATIONAL.................. 1,738............................1,532............. 140,941
ALOHA FROM HAWAII. 25th....1,521.............................163............... 605,837
I AM AN ELVIS FAN................. 443..............................522............... 27,981
VIVA LAS VEGAS.................... 418..............................452............... 54,629
Total..............................11,977


DVD.................Soundscan sales this week................last week.............Total

ELVIS HE TOUCHED ME............504................................59................ 218,102
ELVIS LIVES..FROM MEMPHIS.... 473................................62 ...............169,799


What happened to Elvis 75?
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Re: SoundScan (US) sales-figures

Thu Mar 28, 2013 2:58 pm

garyt wrote:What happened to Elvis 75?


it`s now gone

Re: SoundScan (US) sales-figures

Thu Mar 28, 2013 3:06 pm

sweetangeline wrote:
garyt wrote:What happened to Elvis 75?


it`s now gone

A pity.


If one of his albums had sold 11,977 he would've been at number 28!
If Elvis continue selling around 11,000 a week he will sell over 500,000 albums this year.
Does soundscan list all albums that Elvis sells in a week or just some of them?

Re: SoundScan (US) sales-figures

Thu Mar 28, 2013 6:18 pm

Elvis had no albums on the Billboard Top 200 Album Chart for w/e 6th April, 2013.

The following albums appeared on the Catalog Album Chart:

'Heart And Soul' rises from 133 to 65 selling some 2,179 units. Total sales to date: 628,094 units. It also appeared on the SMEI (Sony Music Entertainment International) album chart at 80 and the Country Catalog Album Chart at 15.

'An Afternoon In The Garden' rises from 108 to 84 selling some 2,046 units. Total sales to date: 536,136 units. It also appeared on the SMEI (Sony Music Entertainment International) album chart at 97.

'The Very Best Of Love' rises from 126 to 115 selling some 1,843 units. Total sales to date: 347,079 units.

'Elvis Country' (Compilation) rises from 137 to 123 selling some 1,789 units. Total sales to date: 169,610 units.

'Elvis Inspirational' (Compilation) rises from 183 to 133 selling some 1,738 units. Total sales to date: 143,557 units.

'Aloha From Hawaii' (25th Anniversary) re-enters at 178 selling some 1,521 units. Total sales to date: 605,837 units.

'I Am An Elvis Fan' dropped from 65 to 71 on the Top Current Country Album Chart selling some 443 units. Total sales to date: 27,981 units.

'Viva Las Vegas' dropped from 66 to 74 on the Top Soundtrack Album Chart selling some 418 units. Total sales to date: 54,629 units.

The following re-entered the Top Music Video Chart at 18 and 19 respectively:

'Elvis: 'He Touched Me' (Vol.1) selling some 504 units. Total sales to date: 218,102 units. Having now passed the 200,000 unit sale this product should now be eligible for upgrading to 2 X MP.

'Elvis Lives' selling some 473 units. Total sales to date: 169,799 units.

Brian
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Re: SoundScan (US) sales-figures

Thu Mar 28, 2013 6:24 pm

garyt wrote:
sweetangeline wrote:
garyt wrote:What happened to Elvis 75?


it`s now gone

A pity.


If one of his albums had sold 11,977 he would've been at number 28!
If Elvis continue selling around 11,000 a week he will sell over 500,000 albums this year.
Does soundscan list all albums that Elvis sells in a week or just some of them?


Soundscan only lists those Elvis albums which had sufficient sales to appear on the Top 200 Catalog Album Chart.

Brian

Re: SoundScan (US) sales-figures

Thu Mar 28, 2013 6:27 pm

sweetangeline wrote:
garyt wrote:What happened to Elvis 75?


it`s now gone


'Elvis 75', among several other albums, were on special offer at Amazon for one week only. The others which charted last week have also disappeared.

Brian

Re: SoundScan (US) sales-figures

Sat Mar 30, 2013 4:00 pm

Brian Quinn wrote:
sweetangeline wrote:
garyt wrote:What happened to Elvis 75?


it`s now gone


'Elvis 75', among several other albums, were on special offer at Amazon for one week only. The others which charted last week have also disappeared.

Brian


Amazing what a one week sale can do, isn't it ?

Re: SoundScan (US) sales-figures

Thu Apr 04, 2013 1:06 am

Here's how Elvis' six top selling CD's this this week, according to Soundscan

ALBUM SOUNDSCAN SALES THIS WEEK…… …LAST………….TOTAL

HEART & SOUL................. 2.856........ 2.166………… 630.950
AFTERNOON IN THE GARDEN……. 2.592 ……….2.046…… …… 538.728
ELVIS INSPIRATIONAL…………… .. 2.172 ……….1.738…………. 145.729
ELVIS COUNTRY…………………… . 2.017 ……….. 1.789…………. 171.627
BEST OF LOVE……………………… . 1.906 ………… 1.843…………. 348.985
VIVA LAS VEGAS…………………… … 378 …………...418…………… 55.007

Re: SoundScan (US) sales-figures

Thu Apr 04, 2013 3:34 am

Up date!! Here's how Elvis' seven top selling CD's this this week,
according to Soundscan

ALBUM SOUNDSCAN SALES THIS WEEK…… …LAST………….TOTAL

HEART & SOUL..................... 2.856........ 2.166………… 630.950
AFTERNOON IN THE GARDEN……. 2.592 ……….2.046…… …… 538.728
ELVIS INSPIRATIONAL…………… .. 2.172 ……….1.738…………. 145.729
ELVIS COUNTRY…………………… . 2.017 ……….. 1.789…………. 171.627
BEST OF LOVE……………………… . 1.906 ………… 1.843…………. 348.985
ELVIS 30 NO. 1 HITS...............1180...........NA.........4,852,384
VIVA LAS VEGAS…………………… … 378 …………...418…………… 55.007

Re: SoundScan (US) sales-figures

Thu Apr 04, 2013 12:44 pm

Jaime1234 wrote:Up date!! Here's how Elvis' seven top selling CD's this this week,
according to Soundscan

ALBUM SOUNDSCAN SALES THIS WEEK…… …LAST………….TOTAL

HEART & SOUL..................... 2.856........ 2.166………… 630.950
AFTERNOON IN THE GARDEN……. 2.592 ……….2.046…… …… 538.728
ELVIS INSPIRATIONAL…………… .. 2.172 ……….1.738…………. 145.729
ELVIS COUNTRY…………………… . 2.017 ……….. 1.789…………. 171.627
BEST OF LOVE……………………… . 1.906 ………… 1.843…………. 348.985
ELVIS 30 NO. 1 HITS...............1180...........NA.........4,852,384
VIVA LAS VEGAS…………………… … 378 …………...418…………… 55.007


Elvis sold 13,102 this week.

Jamie, on an average week, does Elvis have more different albums on soundscan than other artists?

Re: SoundScan (US) sales-figures

Thu Apr 04, 2013 4:37 pm

Those "Viva Las Vegas" numbers are impressive, since it was never an actual Lp.

Just goes to show you, had RCA released an actual album of that Soundtrack, looking at the figures Ernst lists in his books, the Lp would have certainly been a major "Hit" with the record buying public of 1964 and more than likely would have been a great seller as well !!!

Re: SoundScan (US) sales-figures

Thu Apr 04, 2013 5:53 pm

Hi Garit, As I look for Elvis CD's in these Soundscan charts, I've only instantly noticed the presence of the other usual suspects, like the Beatles and Michael Jackson, although sometimes artists such as Johnny Cash and a few others like Frank Sinatra, seem to hit these charts with many albums as well, let alone in the weeks when because of the death of an artist, or the anniversay, or for example a reunion of some sort, or if a particular artist was the smain subject on a major TV broadcast, or more notably, if he or she, is or say, they are on a tour but, on the average, no other artist hits these charts on a regular basis and with as many DIFFERENT CD's, and on as many musical styles, as does Elvis, although it should be noted that no other artist has issued as many DIFFERENT releases, and in as many different styles, as Elvis, either.
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Re: SoundScan (US) sales-figures

Thu Apr 04, 2013 5:56 pm

Elvis had no albums on the Billboard Top 200 Album Chart for w/e 13th April, 2013.

The following albums appeared on the Catalog Album Chart:

'Heart And Soul' rises from 65 to 55 selling some 2,856 units. Total sales to date: 630,950 units. It also rises from 131 to 121 on the Physical Album Chart selling some 2,854 units. Total physical sales to date: 630,387 units. It also appears on the Country Catalog Album Chart at 14 and rises from 80 to 64 on the SMEI (Sony Music Entertainment International) Album Chart.

'An Afternoon In The Garden' rises from 84 to 65 selling some 2,592 units. Total sales to date: 538,728 units. It also rises from 148 to 136 on the Physical Album Chart selling some 2,592 units. Total physical sales to date: 537,746 units. It also rises from 97 to 69 on the SMEI Album Chart.

'Elvis Inspirational' (Compilation) rises from 133 to 95 selling some 2,172 units. Total sales to date: 145,729 units.It also rises from 194 to 177 on the Physical Album Chart selling some 2,161 units. Total physical sales to date: 143,094 units. It also rises from 312 to 92 on the SMEI Album Chart.

'Elvis Country' (Compilation) rises from 123 to 116 selling some 2,017 units. Total sales to date: 171,627 units. It also dropped from 183 to 196 on the Physical Album Chart selling some 2,015 units. Total physical sales to date: 170,589 units.

'The Very Best Of Love' drops from 115 to 134 selling some 1,906 units. Total sales to date: 348,985 units.

'Elvis: 30 No.1 Hits' also re-entered the Catalog Album Chart selling some 1,180 units. Total sales to date: 4,852,384 units.

'Viva Las Vegas' dropped from 74 to 93 on the Top Soundtrack Album Chart selling some 378 units. Total sales to date: 55,007 units.

Brian
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Re: SoundScan (US) sales-figures

Thu Apr 04, 2013 6:12 pm

minkahed wrote:Those "Viva Las Vegas" numbers are impressive, since it was never an actual Lp.

Just goes to show you, had RCA released an actual album of that Soundtrack, looking at the figures Ernst lists in his books, the Lp would have certainly been a major "Hit" with the record buying public of 1964 and more than likely would have been a great seller as well !!!


An album would have had to include Ann-Margret vocals & Parker was never going to sanction that !

Re: SoundScan (US) sales-figures

Thu Apr 04, 2013 11:10 pm

Hi there!! :D :D :D.

ColinB wrote:
minkahed wrote:Those "Viva Las Vegas" numbers are impressive, since it was never an actual Lp.

Just goes to show you, had RCA released an actual album of that Soundtrack, looking at the figures Ernst lists in his books, the Lp would have certainly been a major "Hit" with the record buying public of 1964 and more than likely would have been a great seller as well !!!


An album would have had to include Ann-Margret vocals & Parker was never going to sanction that !


Well, he authorized a song by Nancy Sinatra "Your Groovy Self" on the Speedway Lp :roll:. Bye for now :smt006.

Re: SoundScan (US) sales-figures

Fri Apr 05, 2013 1:23 am

Mike Windgren wrote:Hi there!! :D :D :D.

ColinB wrote:
minkahed wrote:Those "Viva Las Vegas" numbers are impressive, since it was never an actual Lp.

Just goes to show you, had RCA released an actual album of that Soundtrack, looking at the figures Ernst lists in his books, the Lp would have certainly been a major "Hit" with the record buying public of 1964 and more than likely would have been a great seller as well !!!


An album would have had to include Ann-Margret vocals & Parker was never going to sanction that !


Well, he authorized a song by Nancy Sinatra "Your Groovy Self" on the Speedway Lp :roll:. Bye for now :smt006.


That was different.

He didn't want to wake up with a horse's head in his bed !

Re: SoundScan (US) sales-figures

Fri Apr 05, 2013 7:00 am

ColinB wrote:
minkahed wrote:Those "Viva Las Vegas" numbers are impressive, since it was never an actual Lp.

Just goes to show you, had RCA released an actual album of that Soundtrack, looking at the figures Ernst lists in his books, the Lp would have certainly been a major "Hit" with the record buying public of 1964 and more than likely would have been a great seller as well !!!


An album would have had to include Ann-Margret vocals & Parker was never going to sanction that !


Colin, I already know this !

Just a missed opportunity for Elvis, once again, over some dumb politics !