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Re: Do you have a foggy FTD ?

Wed Feb 15, 2012 12:21 pm

I don't think we're going to get anything from Sony.
If we get a reaction at all, they will just throw the ball to Tocano/Dicentia and they went bankrupt a few times and will probably have no responsebilety, because "the old" companies made the cd's and they are closed now...

I will try to clean up mine...

Re: Do you have a foggy FTD ?

Thu Feb 16, 2012 2:34 am

That's a kind of funny situation. I see it coming that in the end all FTD CDs will be bootlegged and Ernst did release a big amount of material for the Bootleggers to re-release.

My "I Found My Thrill" shows some fog. Haven't checked all the others, but will do that for sure.

Re: Do you have a foggy FTD ?

Thu Feb 16, 2012 10:40 am

Joern wrote:That's a kind of funny situation. I see it coming that in the end all FTD CDs will be bootlegged and Ernst did release a big amount of material for the Bootleggers to re-release.


:D

Keith Richards, Jr.

Re: Do you have a foggy FTD ?

Thu Feb 16, 2012 10:56 am

It's kind of funny that some people think that there must be a lifelong warranty on CDs... I haven't read that anywhere...?
Here in Denmark you get 2 years warranty on everything you buy (unless anything else is agreed), that also goes for CDs, DVDs and stuff like that.

Yes, I fully understand your frustration, I also spent a lot of money on these CDs.

But it's the same thing to spend a lot of money on a new TV, for instance, and if it breaks after 3 years would you go to the dealer and tell him that you want a replacement?

Re: Do you have a foggy FTD ?

Thu Feb 16, 2012 12:28 pm

Allen, when the CD media was released it was marketed and I belive you can read it on the insert
of early CD's that handle with care it will last a life time. The argument was that the old vinyl media had
to be "read" by a pickup and due to the mechanical reading process it would wear out your vinyl record.

Well we all know that even CD's have a limited lifetime.

Re: Do you have a foggy FTD ?

Thu Feb 16, 2012 12:56 pm

blue boy wrote:Well we all know that even CD's have a limited lifetime.


Do we? I have never seen a CD die. Releases from the early 1980s still play perfectly, 30 years on. The dreadful CD rot that affected some discs is not a problem anymore. I think almost all of those CDs came from the same factory, and that factory is long gone. They were called PDO or something.

The other thing that can happen is that the CD react with the glue in some strange way, just like Allan's ultra-foggy "I Found My Thrill" CD. But generally it seems CDs have a very long lifetime. I think that all CDs we buy at this point in our lives will outlive us!

I do not view CD-Rs as real CDs. I know those go bad after a while, but I don't own even one CD-R so I don't give a damn about it!

Keith Richards, Jr.

Re: Do you have a foggy FTD ?

Thu Feb 16, 2012 4:09 pm

Yepp, maybe not you but many CD collectors like myself have seen their CD stop working due to CD rot.
That means that the layer with information just falls apart and no information can be restored, even if your
collection works well now, you can't be shure if something like that is going to happen in the future. I'm nor so shure that the glue is causing the trouble with crystals on the FTD disc's it could just as well be the printing ink that causes a chemical reaction.
There is nothing that last forever...exept gold and diamonds :lol:

Re: Do you have a foggy FTD ?

Thu Feb 16, 2012 5:49 pm

blue boy wrote:Yepp, maybe not you but many CD collectors like myself have seen their CD stop working due to CD rot.
That means that the layer with information just falls apart and no information can be restored, even if your
collection works well now, you can't be shure if something like that is going to happen in the future. I'm nor so shure that the glue is causing the trouble with crystals on the FTD disc's it could just as well be the printing ink that causes a chemical reaction.
There is nothing that last forever...exept gold and diamonds :lol:


I suspect that too. Almost all my classic FTDs covers are "sticky" or "greasy". It reminded me when I used to print photographs of the family using a printer and photo paper. After a while the colors would fade and kinda "melt" and the paper would got sticky.
It may well be the ink used on the carton damaging the CDs.

Re: Do you have a foggy FTD ?

Thu Feb 16, 2012 5:51 pm

...but thinking about it, if it was the ink, wouldnt it damage the CD face and not the silver side?

Re: Do you have a foggy FTD ?

Thu Feb 16, 2012 7:09 pm

I just checked some of my FTD classic albums, some of them have a hint of "fog" and the 7" has the silver side close to the ink. The CD's themself have a label printed on them that might prevent this problem.

My regular sized albums like out in Hollywood looks okey, but just checked a few. As for I Found My Thrill
I don't have it.

I am a audiophiI always searching for the best sound and over the years I have read a lot of stuff. learned some years ago that CD manufacters when manufactoring an CD they need too use some kind of chemical
so that the disc will come of easy from their pressing machines, some high end audiophils washes every disc
to clean of that "extra surface layer" to get nothing between the laser and the disc. So there is many different
chemicals that can make an reaction like this one we discuss. All this said, this is what I have learned over the years and I can be wrong, but still my opinion

Re: Do you have a foggy FTD ?

Thu Feb 16, 2012 7:35 pm

Yes i forgot that classic albuns just comes with a small plastic holder, thus making the CD touch the carton, wich may cause a reaction between ink an the CD chemicals
but like Keith said, this is not something exclusive of digipacks. Some CDs housed in jewel cases can also be affected.
So maybe the cause of this problems are indeed cheap chemicals used in the pressing?
Here´s something I found on wikipedia about CD manufacturing:

After metalisation, the discs pass on to a spin-coater, where UV curable lacquer is dispensed onto the newly metallized layer. By rapid spinning, the lacquer coats the entire disc with a very thin layer (approx. 70 nm). After the lacquer is applied, the disks pass under a high intensity UV lamp which cures the lacquer rapidly. The lacquer also provides a surface for a label, generally screen printed or offset printed. The printing ink(s) must be chemically compatible with the lacquer used. Markers used by consumers to write on blank surfaces are not always, which can lead to breaks in the protective lacquer layer, to corrosion of the reflective layer, and failure of the CD

Re: Do you have a foggy FTD ?

Wed Feb 22, 2012 7:39 am

Just discovered today my "I Found My Thrill" has turned foggy since I bought it from new.

THIS IS NOT GOOD NEWS!!!!!

Re: Do you have a foggy FTD ?

Wed Feb 22, 2012 7:47 am

elbo51 wrote:Just discovered today my "I Found My Thrill" has turned foggy since I bought it from new.

THIS IS NOT GOOD NEWS!!!!!

Flip it around in the digipak so that the silver part of the disc faces you. The fog may disappear. It worked for me. Clearly it was some sort of reaction the glue. That said, my Let Yourself Go disc still has the crystalized finish on the disc. Very unfortunate considering the price paid for these discs. Enjoy them while you can and back them up digitally.

Re: Do you have a foggy FTD ?

Wed Feb 22, 2012 8:23 am

I think that it is already pretty obvious that I Found My Thrill is a defective product, or at least some pressings of it.
The least we should have is a clarification from Sony Music about the problem and the substitution of the defective product.
Here´s a list of telephone numbers of Sony Office´s from around the word. I suggest that everybody who haves a defective I Found AMy Thrill ( Or any other title for that matter) contact its local office and report the problem.
I´ll call my local office, but I doubt that Sony Music in Brazil will do anything about it. The offices in USA and Denmark , however, may offer some help.

Sony Music Entertainment Argentina +5411 5218 2200
Sony Music Entertainment Asia +852 2864 6200
Sony Music Entertainment Australia +61 2 9383 6200
Sony Music Entertainment Austria +43 1 60154 109
Sony Music Entertainment Belgium +32 2 702 97 20
Sony Music Entertainment Brazil +5521 2559 5200
Sony Music Entertainment Central America (Costa Rica Office) +506 2253 5571
Sony Music Entertainment Chile +562 200 8400
Sony Music Entertainment Colombia +571 643 0777
Sony Music Entertainment Continental Europe Regional Office +44 207 361 8000
Sony Music Entertainment Czech Republic +420 246 086 150
Sony Music Entertainment Denmark +45 33 76 03 00
Sony Music Entertainment Finland +358 207 421 500
Sony Music Entertainment France +33 1 44 88 67 00
Sony Music Entertainment Germany +49 89 4136 0
Sony Music Entertainment Greece +30 210 6796500
Sony Music Entertainment Holland +31 35 629 82 98
Sony Music Entertainment Hungary +36 1 316 0316
Sony Music Entertainment Ireland +353 1647 3400
Sony Music Entertainment Italy - Milan +39 02 85361
Sony Music Entertainment Italy - Rome +39 06 665015 303
Sony Music Entertainment Mexico +5255 5249 3200
Sony Music Entertainment Middle East +97 1 4423 0725
Sony Music Entertainment New Zealand +64 9 523 8500
Sony Music Entertainment Norway +47 2288 0000
Sony Music Entertainment Poland +48 22 366 6000
Sony Music Entertainment Portugal +351 21 7626120
Sony Music Entertainment Russia +7 495 661 4792
Sony Music Entertainment South Africa +27 11 274 5000
Sony Music Entertainment Spain +34 91 388 00 02
Sony Music Entertainment Sweden +46 8 412 17 00
Sony Music Entertainment Switzerland +41 44 4043111
Sony Music Entertainment Turkey +90 212 311 13 00
Sony Music Entertainment UK +44 207 361 8000
Sony Music Entertainment Venezuela +58 212 238 0044

Re: Do you have a foggy FTD ?

Wed Feb 22, 2012 9:41 pm

Would be nice to get an explanation from Sony but I doubt they'll bother. Like I said, this problem has Been known for a long time. For now I'll just convince myself the CDs are fine and will be so for mans years to come. Ernst is a fan and collector too. He'd hate to see his releases become unplayable.

Keith Richards, Jr.

Re: Do you have a foggy FTD ?

Mon Aug 12, 2013 8:06 pm

Sergio Luiz wrote:I think that it is already pretty obvious that I Found My Thrill is a defective product, or at least some pressings of it.
The least we should have is a clarification from Sony Music about the problem and the substitution of the defective product.
Here´s a list of telephone numbers of Sony Office´s from around the word. I suggest that everybody who haves a defective I Found AMy Thrill ( Or any other title for that matter) contact its local office and report the problem.
I´ll call my local office, but I doubt that Sony Music in Brazil will do anything about it. The offices in USA and Denmark , however, may offer some help.

Sony Music Entertainment Argentina +5411 5218 2200
Sony Music Entertainment Asia +852 2864 6200
Sony Music Entertainment Australia +61 2 9383 6200
Sony Music Entertainment Austria +43 1 60154 109
Sony Music Entertainment Belgium +32 2 702 97 20
Sony Music Entertainment Brazil +5521 2559 5200
Sony Music Entertainment Central America (Costa Rica Office) +506 2253 5571
Sony Music Entertainment Chile +562 200 8400
Sony Music Entertainment Colombia +571 643 0777
Sony Music Entertainment Continental Europe Regional Office +44 207 361 8000
Sony Music Entertainment Czech Republic +420 246 086 150
Sony Music Entertainment Denmark +45 33 76 03 00
Sony Music Entertainment Finland +358 207 421 500
Sony Music Entertainment France +33 1 44 88 67 00
Sony Music Entertainment Germany +49 89 4136 0
Sony Music Entertainment Greece +30 210 6796500
Sony Music Entertainment Holland +31 35 629 82 98
Sony Music Entertainment Hungary +36 1 316 0316
Sony Music Entertainment Ireland +353 1647 3400
Sony Music Entertainment Italy - Milan +39 02 85361
Sony Music Entertainment Italy - Rome +39 06 665015 303
Sony Music Entertainment Mexico +5255 5249 3200
Sony Music Entertainment Middle East +97 1 4423 0725
Sony Music Entertainment New Zealand +64 9 523 8500
Sony Music Entertainment Norway +47 2288 0000
Sony Music Entertainment Poland +48 22 366 6000
Sony Music Entertainment Portugal +351 21 7626120
Sony Music Entertainment Russia +7 495 661 4792
Sony Music Entertainment South Africa +27 11 274 5000
Sony Music Entertainment Spain +34 91 388 00 02
Sony Music Entertainment Sweden +46 8 412 17 00
Sony Music Entertainment Switzerland +41 44 4043111
Sony Music Entertainment Turkey +90 212 311 13 00
Sony Music Entertainment UK +44 207 361 8000
Sony Music Entertainment Venezuela +58 212 238 0044

Has anybody ever had any success getting FTD discs with CD rot replaced?

And does Sony have a US number?

Re: Do you have a foggy FTD ?

Mon Sep 09, 2013 5:52 pm

memphisflash wrote:This problem also occurred with the 'There's Always Me' series, the glue is reacting with the plastic layer of the CD. I solved the problem by turning the CD around, label facing down. The 'blur' disappeared over a few month's. Don't trow them away just yet ;-)
The glue in the CD is reacting with the plastic layer of the CD or the jewel case? How does flipping it over fix it over months?

Re: Do you have a foggy FTD ?

Mon Sep 09, 2013 6:53 pm

My copy of " Let your self Go" is a disaster- :shock: I also have Southern Nights & Made in Memphis which apart from a couple of " spots" seem fine. I do not own the others originally mentioned by Admin.

Re: Do you have a foggy FTD ?

Mon Sep 09, 2013 6:56 pm

Does this "fogginess" affect the play of the CD?

Re: Do you have a foggy FTD ?

Tue Sep 10, 2013 6:21 pm

Keith Richards, Jr. wrote:The dreadful CD rot that affected some discs is not a problem anymore. I think almost all of those CDs came from the same factory, and that factory is long gone. They were called PDO or something.



That's right Keith, it was PDO, but only PDO England. Apparently every disc ever made by PDO England was coated with the wrong substance, so every disc made there will rot at some point, it's just a matter of time. If anyone has any CDs saying Made in England by PDO on the discface, back them up as soon as you can (eg many big name late 80s - early 90s CDs on the Virgin / Island label, but also PDO England made discs for lots of smaller companies too). PDO France was OK, a different factory with different methods.

It still happens, I've read about and had it myself, although nowhere near on the PDO scale. Apart from PDO, so far I've had CD rot on 1 CD each on the labels EMI (Made in Germany 1991) and American Recordings (Made in USA 1994). No FTD problems yet thank goodness.

Re: Do you have a foggy FTD ?

Tue Sep 10, 2013 9:11 pm

I have looked at my CD I Found My Thrill and I had the same problem.

It was all fuggy.

I have clean the fuggy side of CD with methanol and now it works perfectly.

The CD is even brillant.

Re: Do you have a foggy FTD ?

Tue Sep 10, 2013 9:13 pm

elvis-fan wrote:Does this "fogginess" affect the play of the CD?



Yes before I had clean it I was unable to play it.

Now it's perfectly fine

Re: Do you have a foggy FTD ?

Wed Sep 11, 2013 12:04 am

Same here, just checked and now cleaned !

Re: Do you have a foggy FTD ?

Wed Sep 11, 2013 12:31 am

midnightx wrote:Flip it around in the digipak so that the silver part of the disc faces you. The fog may disappear. It worked for me.

How's your "Tickle Me" disc looking?

Re: Do you have a foggy FTD ?

Wed Sep 11, 2013 1:03 am

Shizers.

The old CD rot has got to my I Found My Thrill CD too.

I don't have any methanol but I do have some Corona's in the fridge. Should I bust one of those bad boys out and clean the disc?

Let Yourself Go is also mash up.

Made In Memphis buggered.