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drjohncarpenter wrote:
midnightx wrote:
drjohncarpenter wrote:And it was engineered by the great Bones Howe.
Yep. So much went right during his stint in Burbank during '68.
Both in Burbank and Los Angeles.

Bones Howe was the producer of and the engineer on the studio work at Western Recorders for the 1968 TV Special, and shared production duties with Steve Binder for the NBC live tapings.

Both singles from these sessions are among the most well-regarded of Elvis' later career:

If I Can Dream
Memories

Here we got two original songs, played, produced and sung with passion -- few would follow.

Thanks, Bones!


Just a pity that Bones did not have the forsight to record all the material in stereo!


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KiwiAlan wrote:
drjohncarpenter wrote:
midnightx wrote:
drjohncarpenter wrote:And it was engineered by the great Bones Howe.
Yep. So much went right during his stint in Burbank during '68.
Both in Burbank and Los Angeles.

Bones Howe was the producer of and the engineer on the studio work at Western Recorders for the 1968 TV Special, and shared production duties with Steve Binder for the NBC live tapings.

Both singles from these sessions are among the most well-regarded of Elvis' later career:

If I Can Dream
Memories

Here we got two original songs, played, produced and sung with passion -- few would follow.

Thanks, Bones!


Just a pity that Bones did not have the forsight to record all the material in stereo!
IIRC, Bones did not have much of a budget to work with or much support from the Presley camp.
rickeap wrote:I don't regard Memories very highly (yes My Boy is better IMO)
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KiwiAlan wrote:Just a pity that Bones did not have the forsight to record all the material in stereo!
What is a pity is how you make contentious statements without any knowledge of the subject.

All the material Bones Howe produced and engineered at Western Recorders for the 1968 TV Special was done in STEREO.

At NBC, Howe begged NBC producers / RCA / Presley management for enough money to tape the live segments in STEREO, and they refused.

Despite the handicap, he did a damn fine job, as we all know.

When I corresponded with Howe many years later, the regret about that financial decision still rankled.


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I guess the cost of one microphone was just too much for NBC :D

I am talking about recording in stereo not transmitting.

There is a difference.


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1950's

Jailhouse Rock,
Hound Dog,
Heartbreak Hotel,
Don't Be Cruel,
Don't,
That's All Right Mama,


1960's

It's Now Or Never,
Surrender,
Are You Lonesome Tonight,
Long Black Limousine,
Inherit The Wind,
Any Day Now,
Suspicious Minds,
In The Ghetto,
Kentucky Rain,
Only The Strong Survive


1970's

I Just Can't Help Believin
The Wonder of You
I've Lost You
I Really Don't Want to Know + Rapid City
Rags to Riches Pittsburgh 76
Hurt Rapid City
Unchained Melody Rapid City
I'm Leavin'
The Sound of Your Cry
An American Trilogy
My Boy
Pieces of My Life
You'll Never Walk Alone Uniondale 75
Moody Blue
Thinking About You
Mary In The Morning
Bridge Over Troubled Water
What Now My Love (Aloha)
My Way Raid City


70's always wins out for me :)


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trevorelvis, it seems somewhat odd that you only find a handful of "great" vocal performances from the 50's, followed by a few more in the 60's -- and then you double the amount in Elvis' most troublesome decade in terms of health and material. Certainly additional cuts from his early 60's work such as the Reconsider Baby, Mess of Blues, and Feels So Right should be on any list before My Boy and a live version of Hurt. The 50's and 60's on your list are under-represented.



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midnightx wrote:
KiwiAlan wrote:
drjohncarpenter wrote:
midnightx wrote:
drjohncarpenter wrote:And it was engineered by the great Bones Howe.
Yep. So much went right during his stint in Burbank during '68.
Both in Burbank and Los Angeles.

Bones Howe was the producer of and the engineer on the studio work at Western Recorders for the 1968 TV Special, and shared production duties with Steve Binder for the NBC live tapings.

Both singles from these sessions are among the most well-regarded of Elvis' later career:

If I Can Dream
Memories

Here we got two original songs, played, produced and sung with passion -- few would follow.

Thanks, Bones!


Just a pity that Bones did not have the forsight to record all the material in stereo!
IIRC, Bones did not have much of a budget to work with or much support from the Presley camp.
rickeap wrote:I don't regard Memories very highly (yes My Boy is better IMO)
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rickeap wrote:
midnightx wrote:
rickeap wrote:I don't regard Memories very highly (yes My Boy is better IMO)
Are you from Norway?
No, but would like to visit there one day ...
They will welcome you with open arms!


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Yes, they are a very nice race of people - and they have good taste too



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rickeap wrote:Yes, they are a very nice race of people - and they have good taste too
A very nice race of people?


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Great post and great lists!

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SURRENDER
I FEEL THAT IVE KNOWN YOU FOREVER
GENTLY
THEY REMIND ME TOO MUCH OF YOU
ASK ME

those are just 5 examples, of course there are more, like the other songs that mention here on the previous pages
but those 5 are just about PERFECT velvet diamond voice

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rickeap wrote:Yes, they are a very nice race of people - and they have good taste too
You are welcome to come and visit, rickeap, would be nice to meet you :) We are voted the best country in the world to live in several times, Carpenter and Midnight, so shut up. 8) 8) 8)


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rickeap wrote:They are a very nice race of people
:shock:
"Very nice" surely doesn't apply to everyone, so is not needed. "Race of" isn't needed, I mean, what other classification could be used in it's place, and furthermore, why would it need to be? As "people" is plural, the article "a" doesn't apply due to removal of the other words.

The revised sentence, "They are people" seems to make the most sense.

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OK, they seem to be nice people (as evidenced by Xaykev).
Thanks to all the sub editors on this board.
Nice to know we Aussies put My Boy into the top 10 too!



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rickeap wrote:Nice to know we Aussies put My Boy into the top 10 too!
You must be so very proud of the homeland.


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I Believe is one of his most stunning vocals of the 50's. It's certainly his most mature and emotional, a firm favourite of mine. That recording couldn't be bettered in any way.



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Moresha wrote:And off course Elvis was not the great ballad singer like he would become later ...
I couldn't disagree more.

Many of Elvis' 1950s ballads rank with his very greatest recordings.


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Moresha clearly has only skimmed Elvis' 50's output to come to that misguided conclusion.




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Moresha wrote:
drjohncarpenter wrote:
Moresha wrote:And off course Elvis was not the great ballad singer like he would become later ...
I couldn't disagree more.

Many of Elvis' 1950s ballads rank with his very greatest recordings.
I think that Elvis in the 50's was a lesser ballad singer than in his later career. I'm not talking about his songs, but about his vocal ability in the 50's. How do you think I Believe would have sound if he recorded it in 1969. He was a greater singer in 1969 than in 1957, but his greatest songs for me he recorded in the 50's. But that is only my opinion.......
In certain respects he was a greater singer in 1969, but in other respects in 1957. When talking about two different eras of Elvis, when he's at the top of his game both times, it's not simple enough to say he was a better singer in this year etc. Ok, take a song like Long Black Limousine, his yearning vocal, after years of mis-guided soundtracks, in that very first song recorded at American Sound perfectly encapsulated all the complexities of the lyric, of the country boy lost to the city. I seem to recall Guralnick saying something similar. Elvis in 1957, wouldn't have bettered that song.

Yet go back to a song like Jailhouse Rock from '57. Do you really thing that Elvis in 1969 could have achieved that rasping, rocking vocal he did some 22 years earlier. Sure, he gives it a damn fine effort in live versions in August that year, but his voice simply would not achieve that masterful qualities it had when he was still a young man. And if you want to talk about ballads, songs like Young and Beautiful and Is It So Strange from 1957, wouldn't have been bettered by a 1969 Elvis. The youthfulness, the vulnerablity, the naivety almost and the higher voice in Young and Beautiful especially, simply couldn't be replicated in '69.
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such a hard question with such a hard answer (see what i did there? )

you cant possibly narrow his catalogue down to 1 song/performance - IMPOSSIBLE !

there are many that stand out for me though -

one night with you

cant help falling in love - original is sublime & surely must be recognized!

Theres always me / fame & fortune/ give me the right / surrender

stand by me/ where no one stands alone


almost anything from the 68 comeback special - specifically it hurts me/ memories/ if i can dream etc etc

almost anything from the 69 shows - specifically ' reconsider baby' , words ,

inherit the wind/any day now/ long black limousine/youll think of me

20 days & 20 nights master / how the web....

just pretend / cant help believing / something / bridge/ loving feeling / little sister - from TTWIII (live versions)

ill remember you, what now my love & trilogy - all from aloha & the DEFINITIVE VERSIONS!

have always been totally blown away by 'and i love you so ' (take 2 - platinum version - STUNNING for the period)
FWIW - youll never walk alone from uniondale is stunning & proves what he could do when motivated , despite his condition!
would be interesting to hear it in multi-track (oh if) dont think its the best performance of his CAREAR though!


you can go on & on - thats the marvel of elvis - such a catalogue - such an artist!


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Elvis delivered so many outstanding vocal performances over the years, it's hard to choose one over the other.
Vocally I think he was at his outmost during 1960-64. But many of his 50's vocals are simply outstanding. Not only with the ballads but with the rockers also. The period covering 1966-1967 also shows some great performances. Then you have the NBC recordings in a class of their own. Then the Memphis sessions.
Then the July/september 1970 recordings and so on through the 70's including live performances. To me it's impossible to choose one only!


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Moresha wrote:I think that Elvis in the 50's was a lesser ballad singer than in his later career. I'm not talking about his songs, but about his vocal ability in the 50's.
I couldn't disagree more.

Elvis cut perhaps the greatest ballads of his career in that decade, and certainly among the most popular. Presley's voice in the 1950s had the ability to literally change the world. Nothing after even comes close.
Moresha wrote: How do you think I Believe would have sound if he recorded it in 1969.
It would have sounded the way Elvis did in 1969, although he'd have betrayed a bit of embarrassment, cutting such an old song in such a modern era.

And the utter sincerity with which he cut "I Believe" could in no way have been captured a dozen years later by a very different artist.


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