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Re: A Dinner Date In Bright Light City

Wed Feb 25, 2009 12:23 am

drjohncarpenter wrote:
BIGREDG wrote:You don't like it, that's your business.

And he is as free as anyone to express an opinion -- heaven knows you do.


What about the poll????

A. My Boy is total s*it

B. My Boy is good song performed on high level

Re: A Dinner Date In Bright Light City

Wed Feb 25, 2009 12:26 am

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fecc-mechanic wrote:Please stay on topic

Re: A Dinner Date In Bright Light City

Wed Feb 25, 2009 2:14 am

drjohncarpenter wrote:
BIGREDG wrote:Elvis of 1973-77 was not the Elvis you wanted him to be.

He was not the Elvis that ELVIS wanted to be, either. Get over it.


He was what he was. Some of us accept this, and get on with enjoying what he gave us.

Re: A Dinner Date In Bright Light City

Wed Feb 25, 2009 2:15 am

deadringer wrote:
drjohncarpenter wrote:
BIGREDG wrote:You don't like it, that's your business.

And he is as free as anyone to express an opinion -- heaven knows you do.


What about the poll????

A. My Boy is total s*it

B. My Boy is good song performed on high level


I go for B.

Re: A Dinner Date In Bright Light City

Wed Feb 25, 2009 2:32 am

BIGREDG wrote:But seriously, it is a beautiful song, performed to perfection in the studio, and in many live versions.

It is over-dramitic song, with an overbearing orchestration arrangement, with some lame lyrical content. It is flawed on many levels. The live versions are way over the top with the bombastic orchestration. What is beautiful about any of that? It is sub par material, way beneath Elvis' talents.

BIGREDG wrote:Many fans' taste is different from yours and John's, favouring ballads and other melodramatic songs. That does not make them wrong, stupid or fools.

I love a good ballad. Good being the key word. My Boy is far from being a good ballad -- and that is being kind.

BIGREDG wrote:That's musical taste.

That is highly debatable.

Re: A Dinner Date In Bright Light City

Wed Feb 25, 2009 2:38 am

BIGREDG wrote:
deadringer wrote:
drjohncarpenter wrote:
BIGREDG wrote:You don't like it, that's your business.

And he is as free as anyone to express an opinion -- heaven knows you do.
What about the poll????
A. My Boy is total s*it
B. My Boy is good song performed on high level
I go for B.


Yeah.

It's schmaltz, admittedly, but pretty good class schmaltz.

Re: A Dinner Date In Bright Light City

Wed Feb 25, 2009 2:39 am

ColinB wrote:
BIGREDG wrote:
deadringer wrote:
drjohncarpenter wrote:
BIGREDG wrote:You don't like it, that's your business.

And he is as free as anyone to express an opinion -- heaven knows you do.
What about the poll????
A. My Boy is total s*it
B. My Boy is good song performed on high level
I go for B.


Yeah.

It's schmaltz, admittedly, but pretty good class schmaltz.

It is schmaltz and choice A without a doubt.

Re: A Dinner Date In Bright Light City

Wed Feb 25, 2009 2:44 am

If you lot are going to fight open your own thread and do it :twisted:

Re: A Dinner Date In Bright Light City

Wed Feb 25, 2009 2:49 am

midnightx wrote:
ColinB wrote:
BIGREDG wrote:
deadringer wrote:
drjohncarpenter wrote:
BIGREDG wrote:You don't like it, that's your business.
And he is as free as anyone to express an opinion -- heaven knows you do.
What about the poll????
A. My Boy is total s*it
B. My Boy is good song performed on high level
I go for B.
Yeah.
It's schmaltz, admittedly, but pretty good class schmaltz.
It is schmaltz and choice A without a doubt.


It was a pretty popular single when released here in the UK, and gave him a fair-sized hit when he sorely needed one !

His single releases looked like this in 1974:

I've Got A Thing About You Baby [reached No.33]

If You Talk In Your Sleep [No.40]

My Boy
[No.5]

The people spoke !

Re: A Dinner Date In Bright Light City

Wed Feb 25, 2009 3:02 am

ColinB wrote:My Boy [No.5]

The people spoke !

Yeah the "people" of the U.K. had their finger on the pulse, all right -->

Elvis Presley - U.K. Singles

05/16/70 KENTUCKY RAIN 12 wks 21
04/01/72 UNTIL IT'S TIME FOR YOU TO GO 9 wks 5
08/11/73 FOOL 10 wks 15
03/16/74 I'VE GOT A THING ABOUT YOU BABY 5 wks 33
11/16/74 MY BOY 13 wks 5
01/18/75 PROMISED LAND 8 wks 9
05/24/75 T-R-O-U-B-L-E 4 wks 31
05/01/76 HURT 5 wks 37

Re: A Dinner Date In Bright Light City

Wed Feb 25, 2009 3:05 am

drjohncarpenter wrote:
ColinB wrote:My Boy [No.5]

The people spoke !

Yeah the "people" of the U.K. had their finger on the pulse, all right -->

Elvis Presley - U.K. Singles

05/16/70 KENTUCKY RAIN 12 wks 21
04/01/72 UNTIL IT'S TIME FOR YOU TO GO 9 wks 5
08/11/73 FOOL 10 wks 15
03/16/74 I'VE GOT A THING ABOUT YOU BABY 5 wks 33
11/16/74 MY BOY 13 wks 5
01/18/75 PROMISED LAND 8 wks 9
05/24/75 T-R-O-U-B-L-E 4 wks 31
05/01/76 HURT 5 wks 37


Any special reason for omitting If You Talk In Your Sleep ?

Or just a sloppy error ?
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Re: A Dinner Date In Bright Light City

Wed Feb 25, 2009 3:05 am

drjohncarpenter wrote:
ColinB wrote:My Boy [No.5]

The people spoke !

Yeah the "people" of the U.K. had their finger on the pulse, all right -->

Elvis Presley - U.K. Singles

05/16/70 KENTUCKY RAIN 12 wks 21
04/01/72 UNTIL IT'S TIME FOR YOU TO GO 9 wks 5
08/11/73 FOOL 10 wks 15
03/16/74 I'VE GOT A THING ABOUT YOU BABY 5 wks 33
11/16/74 MY BOY 13 wks 5
01/18/75 PROMISED LAND 8 wks 9
05/24/75 T-R-O-U-B-L-E 4 wks 31
05/01/76 HURT 5 wks 37


HAHA!

That must explain why "Pop Idol", "The X Factor" and Cliff Richard all originated in my country.

:oops:

Re: A Dinner Date In Bright Light City

Wed Feb 25, 2009 3:06 am

As they say, eight is enough. Your point is in shreds, sorry old chap.

Re: A Dinner Date In Bright Light City

Wed Feb 25, 2009 3:11 am

drjohncarpenter wrote:As they say, eight is enough.
Your point is in shreds, sorry old chap.


My point was that schmaltz or not, My Boy gave him a badly needed top 5 hit in the UK.

Your [albeit incomplete] list confirms that.

My point is well made, sorry old chap...................

Re: A Dinner Date In Bright Light City

Wed Feb 25, 2009 3:57 am

midnightx wrote: It is over-dramitic song, with an overbearing orchestration arrangement, with some lame lyrical content. It is flawed on many levels. The live versions are way over the top with the bombastic orchestration. What is beautiful about any of that? It is sub par material, way beneath Elvis' talents.......


Oh dear. This should not be so hard for you to comprehend. Especially when several posters have stated that they like the song. The fact that you do not like orchestral arrangements and you fail to empathise with the songs story is simply no excuse for the dismissing of other people's tastes as "debatable", or dumb, "bound up in mediocrity".

Like I said, it's about people's tastes. Period.

Elvis wasn't the punk kid you love in 1973 - shame for you, good for others. That's the way it goes.

Re: A Dinner Date In Bright Light City

Wed Feb 25, 2009 4:00 am

ColinB wrote:My point was that schmaltz or not, My Boy gave him a badly needed top 5 hit in the UK.

Your [albeit incomplete] list confirms that.

My point is well made, sorry old chap...................


Your point is well made Colin.

The Brits loved it, and delivered Elvis a rare top 5 hit. Doc and his buddy don't like it at all. Boo hoo - what a shame. :roll:

"Yeah the "people" of the U.K. had their finger on the pulse, all right -->"

Not content with offending individuals, he has jumped to insulting whole nations. "People"? What does he think we are mate, aliens? :lol:
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Re: A Dinner Date In Bright Light City

Wed Feb 25, 2009 4:03 am

ColinB wrote:
drjohncarpenter wrote:As they say, eight is enough.
Your point is in shreds, sorry old chap.


My point was that schmaltz or not, My Boy gave him a badly needed top 5 hit in the UK.

Your [albeit incomplete] list confirms that.

My point is well made, sorry old chap...................


Why such an incomplete list? Why fail to mention Burning Love charting at no. 2 or Always on My Mind at no.12? Kentucky Rain didn't chart particularly well but Suspicious Minds was a no.2 hit, and Wonder Of You was a no.1. Where does the selectiveness end? And what point are you trying to make exactly?

The UK chart has historically allowed Elvis to chart higher than the US charts, mainly due to the lack of airplay as an influence. I personally prefer a chart which simply confirms the highest selling single in the country that week. What exactly did the "people" of the UK not have their fingers on the pulse of exactly?

As Colin states, his point is well made, and I don't see how it is 'in shreds'.
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Re: A Dinner Date In Bright Light City

Wed Feb 25, 2009 4:07 am

Angles wrote: Why such an incomplete list? Why fail to mention Burning Love charting at no. 2 or Always on My Mind at no.12? Kentucky Rain didn't chart particularly well but Suspicious Minds was a no.2 hit, and Wonder Of You was a no.1. Where does the selectiveness end? And what point are you trying to make exaclty?.


All interesting questions indeed. Lies, damn lies and DJC's statsitics.

"Still at least he tried"

Re: A Dinner Date In Bright Light City

Wed Feb 25, 2009 4:26 am

BIGREDG wrote:
midnightx wrote: It is over-dramitic song, with an overbearing orchestration arrangement, with some lame lyrical content. It is flawed on many levels. The live versions are way over the top with the bombastic orchestration. What is beautiful about any of that? It is sub par material, way beneath Elvis' talents.......


Oh dear. This should not be so hard for you to comprehend. Especially when several posters have stated that they like the song. The fact that you do not like orchestral arrangements and you fail to empathise with the songs story is simply no excuse for the dismissing of other people's tastes as "debatable", or dumb, "bound up in mediocrity".

Like I said, it's about people's tastes. Period.

Elvis wasn't the punk kid you love in 1973 - shame for you, good for others. That's the way it goes.

No, I simply have higher standards for Elvis' talents. That's the way it is.

Re: A Dinner Date In Bright Light City

Wed Feb 25, 2009 4:31 am

My Boy is a wonderful song, sung dramatically by Elvis like only he could. The words mirror his troubled life in a very touching way.
It gets me every time. Even when he makes this into a live laughing session. 8)

Some of the haters of this song must have been slapped as little boys when they showed they had feelings, as to never show that "wrong and unmanlike" emotion again. Or else! :) So dated.. wake up boys, these are not the early 50s. It's OK to be human and show it.

Personally I think this song was one of the best contemporary additions to his setlist post-1973.
FTD's Dixieland Rocks featured a great and good sounding live version, as did their Big Boss Man release.

Wasn't this co-written by Claude Francois, the legendary performer and song writer behind "My Way" (Comme d' Habitude) ?
It's bombastic yes, but I can think of nobody who could sing bombastic songs as well and convincing as Elvis did!

Case in point: An American Trilogy.

Re: A Dinner Date In Bright Light City

Wed Feb 25, 2009 4:46 am

Angles wrote:Why such an incomplete list?

The list did not have to be "complete."

Colin made his "point" with but ONE entry. I made MY point with EIGHT.

The point? Validating "My Boy" via a high U.K. chart placing is a paper tiger, as the superior songs issued in the same era charted significantly lower.

What is wrong with you people? Reality should be embraced, not eschewed or ridiculed.

It always will be in my posts.

Re: A Dinner Date In Bright Light City

Wed Feb 25, 2009 4:56 am

drjohncarpenter wrote:
Angles wrote:Why such an incomplete list?

The list did not have to be "complete."

Colin made his "point" with but ONE entry. I made MY point with EIGHT.

The point? Validating "My Boy" via a high U.K. chart placing is a paper tiger, as the superior songs issued in the same era charted significantly lower.

What is wrong with you people? Reality should be embraced, not eschewed or ridiculed.

It always will be in my posts.


What is wrong with us??

Here he goes again. Completely false arguement that when you boil it down is "I think My Boy is worse than the other songs that didn't chart as well, therefore the UK charts must be a poor yardstick to use" - or to put it even simpler, "I'm right, and everyone else is wrong".

"My Reality is the reality that everyone must conform to, or you are a nutcase"

Totally delusional. Very sad. A once good poster gone a bit Joaquin!!

Re: A Dinner Date In Bright Light City

Wed Feb 25, 2009 5:19 am

BIGREDG wrote:Completely false arguement that when you boil it down is "I think My Boy is worse than the other songs that didn't chart as well ...

Let's see ...

11/16/74 MY BOY 13 wks 5

03/16/74 I'VE GOT A THING ABOUT YOU BABY 5 wks 33
01/18/75 PROMISED LAND 8 wks 9
05/24/75 T-R-O-U-B-L-E 4 wks 31
05/01/76 HURT 5 wks 37

Yeah, "My Boy" just shreds those bad boys.

Mama weer all crazee now ...

Re: A Dinner Date In Bright Light City

Wed Feb 25, 2009 5:38 am

Just out of curiosity (I'm not counting), how many posts in this thread actually have anything to do with this new release?

I'll be getting this, by the way. I collect band intros.

Re: A Dinner Date In Bright Light City

Wed Feb 25, 2009 5:42 am

But no 'O Sole Mio'.
I guess I'm gonna skip this one.