Thu Jul 17, 2008 7:47 pm
Matthew wrote:Cryogenic wrote:drjohncarpenter wrote:There's only one area I was not able to include.drjohncarpenter wrote:Anyone discern what one aspect of his musical legacy I could not fit?
In my book, this is known as BAITING.
Then why bite if you believe this?
Thu Jul 17, 2008 7:50 pm
The live "I Got A Woman" is specifically chosen to a) represent the glory and power of his 1969 stage return, in one song, and b) provide a cross-reference for how much he had grown and changed from 1956, as heard on the classic studio cut on disc 1.
The included live 1970 recordings are superior to "I Just Can't Help Believin'.
Gospel was a difficult area -- as far as non-secular recordings, "Crying In The Chapel" should count, right?
Fri Jul 18, 2008 12:52 am
James27 wrote:Personally I would cut "I Got A Woman" (original: nobody beats Ray Charles at his own game), "I Beg Of You", "Is It So Strange", "Crawfish", "Surrender", "Suspicion", "I Got A Woman" (live '69), "Walk A Mile In My Shoes" and "It's Your Baby, You Rock It" from this list and replace them with these nine tracks:
Blue Moon
Treat Me Nice
Baby I Don't Care
Peace In The Valley
Are You Lonesome Tonight
Big Boss Man
How Great Thou Art
Stranger In My Own Home Town
Always On My Mind
Cryogenic wrote:I don't know what this list proves, besides being another drive-by attack on the mid-late 70's Elvis and his fans.
For one thing, you know "Moody Blue" should be there. Also, where is "Viva Las Vegas", "I Need Somebody To Lean On", "Any Day Now", "Just Pretend", "You Gave Me A Mountain", "Steamroller Blues", "What Now My Love" and "An American Trilogy"? I don't consider the likes of "Crawfish" or "Memphis, Tennessee" better than those.
Cryogenic wrote:drjohncarpenter wrote:There's only one area I was not able to include.drjohncarpenter wrote:Anyone discern what one aspect of his musical legacy I could not fit?
In my book, this is known as BAITING.
It is an action commonly committed by those in contempt of a message board -- i.e. its community and its moderators.
rickeap wrote:The Doc's list is fantastic ... I think Elvis' latter years were under-represented in your list and maybe Hurt or Unchained Melody could be added as representation of Elvis' bombastic final years.
WildStyle wrote:Interesting list. There are thousands of different ways one could compile a set like this relative to personal taste. I'd miss 'Anyway You Want Me' if I was listening to disc 1. I'd probably drop 'Is It So Strange' in it's favour.
TJ wrote:Great list. I'd have to include something from the September 1967 sessions though and I'd probably opt for Big Boss Man, which is one of his finest R&B performances.
To represent the '68 special, I'd have gone with one of the incredible versions of One Night from the sit down shows. As good as Elvis' opening performance is, the backing doesn't cut it IMO.
YDKM wrote:... to represent major achievements and reflection of his years AFTER 1973- which seem ignored(just as Graceland do) basically accepting that artistically Elvis died after Dec 1973 ...
minkahed wrote:Doc, c'mon, you know me better than that ! My intentional sarcasm got the best of ya !
elvis presley scrapbook wrote:Moody Blue and/or Way Down should be included.
rockinrebel wrote:I expect the sound quality of the 1950’s TV appearances would not have been consistent with the rest of the album. Great choices though and a great list overall. Thanks.
familyjules wrote:... there's nothing on your list that captures what Elvis could do with a strong power ballad in Summer '70 ...
DarrylMac wrote:Sorry - missed crying in the chapel, and it's probably the one song, if I had to pick just one, that i'd have picked too. Great choice.
As for your comments re: I Got A Woman, I can see the intent, but would suggest that Elvis never bettered his original RCA recording. If you wanted to show a transformation from an original 50's recording to a live track, to show his growth as an artist, i guess that's the irony. Elvis himself would probably try to demonstrate his growth as an artist with anything but one of the 50's songs, but I know we're going to have to agree to disagree here!![]()
As for I Just Can't Help Believing, I feel it's one of the finest interpretations of Elvis career. His singing, the arrangement, everything comes together in a sublime performance, and definitely, for me one of the highlights, if not the highlight of the original TTWII movies.
Fri Jul 18, 2008 12:58 am
Fri Jul 18, 2008 1:55 am
Cryogenic wrote:Matthew wrote:Cryogenic wrote:drjohncarpenter wrote:There's only one area I was not able to include.drjohncarpenter wrote:Anyone discern what one aspect of his musical legacy I could not fit?
In my book, this is known as BAITING.
Then why bite if you believe this?
Because I am allowed my opinion, like drjohncarpenter is allowed his.
The difference is that I don't state my opinions as fact or encourage dissent.
I wanted to point out this difference out for anyone who might be interested in such matters. I'm glad you have taken an interest, even if you strangely seem to think I'm as culpable as the instigator. If this is truly your position, then you are damning the innocent from both sides.
Fri Jul 18, 2008 2:06 am
Matthew wrote:Cryogenic wrote:Matthew wrote:Cryogenic wrote:drjohncarpenter wrote:There's only one area I was not able to include.drjohncarpenter wrote:Anyone discern what one aspect of his musical legacy I could not fit?
In my book, this is known as BAITING.
Then why bite if you believe this?
Because I am allowed my opinion, like drjohncarpenter is allowed his.
The difference is that I don't state my opinions as fact or encourage dissent.
I wanted to point out this difference out for anyone who might be interested in such matters. I'm glad you have taken an interest, even if you strangely seem to think I'm as culpable as the instigator. If this is truly your position, then you are damning the innocent from both sides.
I was merely asking that if you believe the doc was making a smokescreen put down of the late 70s (which I don't) and was indeed casting out bait (which I don't) then why get caught hook, line, and sinker and give satisfaction to the fisherman? You could have left it alone. Yes you are entitled to your opinion as are we all - its a shame you couldn't just critique the list on its own merits without using it as an excuse to throw daggers.
Fri Jul 18, 2008 2:15 am
drjohncarpenter wrote:This collection was a personal endeavor, and its posting on the forum was by request. For you to turn it into something negative is incomprehensible.
drjohncarpenter wrote:You need a new book. That you could respond to a simple, fun query in such fashion is really kind of sad. Note my replies to rockinrebel and his correct observation. Nothing untoward was intended or delivered.
drjohncarpenter wrote:All your suggestions are worthy, but none measure up to the selections chosen, either by genre or era.
Fri Jul 18, 2008 2:21 am
Cryogenic wrote:Of course, picking something for the sake of it to "round out" the compilation would be ill-advised. But I don't believe that this would be the case with "Moody Blue".
It was an extremely popular recording in the aftermath of his death and remains so to this day. Moreover, it is musically erudite, fusing country and pop effortlessly, in a vein that still sounds incredibly modern. The lyrics and vocal performance by EP gell just as pleasingly, serving as a joint celebration and condemnation of an unnamed, untamed lover and the way she has beguiled the singer. It has tremendous relevance for a man who objectified women and was caught in an endless string of strained relationships. The record captures so much of what made and makes Elvis great: it shows he was still creating fresh and dynamic pop records, however sparingly, and that he was still using music to express his innermost hopes and fears.
Cryogenic wrote:To end on "Promised Land" leaves the listener high and dry as to the real Elvis Presley and how and why his life ended.
Fri Jul 18, 2008 2:24 am
Fri Jul 18, 2008 2:25 am
rickeap wrote:Unchained Melody rates as one of the most watched performances on You Tube.
How many people posting here would have it in their top 10?
I do
Fri Jul 18, 2008 2:36 am
Cryogenic wrote:Whether your reply to rockinrebel is genuine or not ...
Cryogenic wrote:... my suspicions are inflamed by your notorious disdain for the 1974-1977 period ...
Cryogenic wrote:What you are offering is merely SUBJECTIVE OPINION.
Cryogenic wrote:But I maintain that the lack of anything after 1973 is highly suspect. In fact, I think it damages the scope and credibility of the compilation.
Cryogenic wrote:To end on "Promised Land" leaves the listener high and dry as to the real Elvis Presley ...
Cryogenic wrote:That aside, I also have a problem with your dismissal of my other suggestions, like "I Need Somebody To Lean On".
Fri Jul 18, 2008 5:19 am
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Sat Jul 19, 2008 1:22 am
drjohncarpenter wrote:By popular demand, below is an attempt to distill the best of our hero on two listenable discs, from the most up-to-date sources. There's only one area I was not able to include. Enjoy!
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AT YOUR REQUEST, VOLUME ONE
Musical highlights from Elvis Presley, in best-ever quality.
01. My Happiness 8.53 / take-home demo, SUN Studios, Memphis
02. That's All Right 7.54 / first single A-side, SUN Studios, Memphis
03. Blue Moon of Kentucky 7.54 / first single B-side, SUN Studios, Memphis
04. Good Rockin' Tonight 9.54 / single A-side, SUN Studios, Memphis
05. Baby, Let's Play House 2.55 / single A-side, SUN Studios, Memphis
06. Mystery Train 7.55 / single B-side, SUN Studios, Memphis
07. I Got A Woman 1.56 / first album, RCA Studios, Nashville
08. Heartbreak Hotel 1.56 / single A-side, RCA Studios, Nashville
09. Hound Dog 7.56 / single B-side, RCA Studios, New York
10. Don't Be Cruel 7.56 / single A-side, RCA Studios, New York
11. Love Me Tender 8.56 / single A-side, 20th Century Fox, Hollywood
12. Love Me 9.56 / second album, Radio Recorders, Los Angeles
13. All Shook Up 1.57 / single A-side, Radio Recorders, Los Angeles
14. I Beg Of You 1.57 / unissued, Radio Recorders, Los Angeles
15. Is It So Strange 1.57 / extended play, Radio Recorders, Los Angeles
16. One Night 2.57 / 1958 single A-side, Radio Recorders, Los Angeles
17. Loving You 2.57 / single A-side, Radio Recorders, Los Angeles
18. When It Rains, It Really Pours 2.57 / unissued, Radio Recorders, Los Angeles
19. Jailhouse Rock 4.57 / single A-side, Radio Recorders, Los Angeles
20. Young and Beautiful 4.57 / extended play, Radio Recorders, Los Angeles
21. Blue Christmas 9.57 / Christmas album, Radio Recorders, Los Angeles
22. Santa Claus Is Back In Town 9.57 / Christmas album, Radio Recorders, Los Angeles
23. Don't 9.57 / 1958 single A-side, Radio Recorders, Los Angeles
24. Crawfish 1.58 / "King Creole" album, Radio Recorders, Los Angeles
25. King Creole 1.58 / single A-side, Radio Recorders, Los Angeles
26. A Big Hunk O' Love 6.58 / 1959 single A-side, unedited, RCA Studio B, Nashville
27. Ain't That Loving You, Baby 6.58 / unissued, RCA Studio B, Nashville
28. I Got Stung 6.58 / single B-side, RCA Studio B, Nashville
29. A Fool Such As I 6.58 / 1959 single A-side, RCA Studio B, Nashville
30. Fame and Fortune 3.60 / single B-side, RCA Studio B, Nashville
31. A Mess Of Blues 3.60 / single B-side, RCA Studio B, Nashville
32. It Feels So Right 3.60 / "Elvis Is Back!" album, RCA Studio B, Nashville
AT YOUR REQUEST, VOLUME TWO
Musical highlights from Elvis Presley, in best-ever quality.
01. Such A Night 4.60 / "Elvis Is Back!" album, RCA Studio B, Nashville
02. Reconsider Baby 4.60 / "Elvis Is Back!" album, RCA Studio B, Nashville
03. Surrender 10.60 / single A-side, RCA Studio B, Nashville
04. Crying In The Chapel 10.60 / 1965 single A-side, RCA Studio B, Nashville
05. Can't Help Falling In Love 3.61 / single A-side, Radio Recorders, Los Angeles
06. His Latest Flame 6.61 / single A-side, RCA Studio B, Nashville
07. Little Sister 6.61 / single B-side, RCA Studio B, Nashville
08. Suspicion 3.62 / "Pot Luck" album, RCA Studio B, Nashville
09. Return To Sender 3.62 / single A-side, Radio Recorders, Los Angeles
10. Memphis, Tennessee 1.64 / 1965 "Elvis For Everyone" album, RCA Studio B, Nashville
11. If I Loved You 66-67 / unissued home demo, Los Angeles
12. Trouble/Guitar Man 6.68 / "TV Special" album, Western Recorders, Los Angeles
13. Tiger Man 6.68 / album track, NBC-TV Studios, Burbank
14. If I Can Dream 6.68 / unissued TV version, NBC-TV Studios, Burbank
15. In The Ghetto 1.69 / single A-side, American Sound, Memphis
16. Suspicious Minds 1.69 / single A-side, American Sound, Memphis
17. Kentucky Rain 2.69 / 1970 single A-side, American Sound, Memphis
18. I Got A Woman 8.69 / unissued, International Hotel, Las Vegas
19. Polk Salad Annie 2.70 / "On Stage" album, International Hotel, Las Vegas
20. Walk A Mile In My Shoes 2.70 / "On Stage" album, International Hotel, Las Vegas
21. It's Your Baby, You Rock It 6.70 / "Elvis Country" album, RCA Studio B, Nashville
22. Merry Christmas Baby 5.71 / unedited single A-side, RCA Studio B, Nashville
23. Burning Love 3.72 / single A-side, RCA Studio C, Los Angeles
24. I've Got A Thing About You Baby 7.73 / 1974 single A-side, Stax Studios, Memphis
25. Promised Land 12.73 / 1974 single A-side, Stax Studios, Memphis
Sat Jul 19, 2008 1:46 am
Matthew wrote:Firstly I would drop Merry Christmas Baby and I've Got A Thing About You Baby. The first stands out from the sessions that bore it due to its change in direction - but I still feel the performance is not the Elvis we know and love. The second - whilst it could be argued this was the best overall production from those July 1973 sessions, after hearing Tony Joe White's original I rarely listen to Elvis' anymore - this is not the case for Elvis' other White covers, I enjoy them both. I think there are better masters from the period. The arrangement is good, but Elvis' vocal just lacks something for me.
Matthew wrote:Separate Ways - if room permits another cut from the March 72 session is in order. Always on my Mind is more commonly known and associated with Elvis, but the b-side is better in my book, and the autobiographical nature of the lyric cannot be overlooked. A song that so easily could have been released with the usual overdubbed strings/horns is thankfully left in its natural session state - the piano and acoustic guitars driving the song to its conclusion, the poignant lyric grabbing the listener’s attention.
Sat Jul 19, 2008 2:03 am
midnightx wrote:Merry Christmas Baby is a total gem from Elvis' '70s output. All the passion, energy and charisma from eras gone are once again evident in that studio workhorse. It is supreme performance and stands alongside Elvis' finest work.
midnightx wrote:The March '72 session was one of Elvis' finest from the '70s, but the results are mostly inferior to the rest of the selections on the Doc's compilation.
Sat Jul 19, 2008 2:10 am
midnightx wrote:It is a moving performance, particularly in the set of circumstances it is associated with. But a all-time "top ten" performance? Hardly.rickeap wrote:Unchained Melody rates as one of the most watched performances on You Tube.
How many people posting here would have it in their top 10?
I do
Sat Jul 19, 2008 2:12 am
ColinB wrote:midnightx wrote:It is a moving performance, particularly in the set of circumstances it is associated with. But a all-time "top ten" performance? Hardly.rickeap wrote:Unchained Melody rates as one of the most watched performances on You Tube.
How many people posting here would have it in their top 10?
I do
I have always felt he never quite 'nailed' this song.
A proper studio version might have helped..................
Sat Jul 19, 2008 2:13 am
Sat Jul 19, 2008 2:14 am
Kylan wrote:as always gotta disagree with Polk Salad... August 12 rocks harder and louder.
Sat Jul 19, 2008 2:15 am
midnightx wrote:He came pretty close on a handful of occassions.
A studio version may have had a more controlled vocal with less breathing, but Jarvis would have destroyed it with his over-production - just listen to the mess he created with the 'live' single in 1977.
Sat Jul 19, 2008 2:16 am
midnightx wrote:He came pretty close on a handful of occassions. A studio version may have had a more controlled vocal with less breathing, but Jarvis would have destroyed it with his over-production - just listen to the mess he created with the 'live' single in 1977.
Sat Jul 19, 2008 2:17 am
ColinB wrote:midnightx wrote:He came pretty close on a handful of occassions.
A studio version may have had a more controlled vocal with less breathing, but Jarvis would have destroyed it with his over-production - just listen to the mess he created with the 'live' single in 1977.
Well, maybe, but we might have got some undubbed outtakes on FTD............................
Sat Jul 19, 2008 2:19 am
Kylan wrote:as always gotta disagree with Polk Salad... August 12 rocks harder and louder. If you want slow country cookin, enjoy TJW!
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