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AOL Rubberneckin

Tue Jul 22, 2003 11:21 am

Has anybody heard the Oakenfold Rubberneckin version on AOL last night?

Tue Jul 22, 2003 11:44 am

Terrible - song ruined just like ALLC - Boring same old drumbeat elvis drownened out - who let this get through QA.

Tue Jul 22, 2003 12:36 pm

Oh my god!! A big twist. Dont beleive what happened. I tuned into London's Premium Rock station XFM on the internet and they completely gave Oakenfold the brush. They blamed BMG for stealing "stole" an idea from a fan and refused to play the new PO mix.

They blamed BMG for going with the money and not staying true to Elvis.

Personally I hear what they are saying, the PO mix is only true to PO not Elvis.

But as a House DJ myself, what I can tell you about PO is that no one in the UK likes him, its been that way for at least a year now as his last album flopped. He got the BBC job for Big Brother recently because he was cheap. His record label (distributed by BMG) are tryin to revive him.

They then in turn played the Groove mix at the start of the show as the preferred track and indicated that they intend to start a campaign to stop playing the Oakenfold and only play the Groove mix. They also said loud and clear that the Groove mix was the best ever mix, even better than JXL and mentioned Joseph by name calling him "we are backing the under dog"!

I hear now that other independant radio stations in the UK are jumping on the bandwagon on the Groove mix. This is going to be a nightmare for BMG as DJ's have written off PO and are going for the Groove mix as their preferred version! The Groove mix is not even on the single.

Also tuned into the Chicago radio station on the website as mentioned in a previous thread, they opened the show with the Groove mix and he (Bryan I think) said he "prefer this version to the official version" and gave Joseph 100% credit.

I think BMG have a problem, they should just do a double A side, they cant loose, then everyones happy.

But for the time being, the story is only just starting so it appears. eXCITING!!!!

Tue Jul 22, 2003 1:03 pm

In my opinion, the aim of a remix should be to top the original-version. That means, that fans can get an improved sound of an old song.
This should be the goal. Than BMG could serve the old fans and it would be possible to get new fans because of the fresher sound.
Junkie XL did that very good. JXL just gave the original a lttle more power, more bass and he did that so pretty even without having the original tapes.
In 2003 now BMG decided to do a second Remix (okay requested by the fans and of course to make money because ALLC had more than 20 #1 in the world).
But they have taken a song which was remixed and bootlegged twice and the last "groove version" was celebrated by the fans. That shows us, that they wanted to take a song which they can be sure, that the fans will like it. So far so good, but now we can hear Paul´s Remix and what does it sound like?
To me it sounds like Paul hates Elvis and tries to create a remix which sounds not like Elvis at all. Listen to his voice! Good god it sounds creepy...as bad as his vocal on "You Gotta Stop" song which was produced very very bad too!
The sound is treally not close to the original and last year EPE has told us, that this is the most important thing to them NOT to distroy the original theme.
The worse thing about this remix-flop will be, that it won´t be as successful as ALLC and next year BMG will tell us: Sorry folks, ALLC Remix was a one-time hit wonder and there is no market anymore for another remix...just because BMG has choosen the wrong remixer.
The best would have been to choose a track, than ask several DJ´s to do a remix and just then make the choice. Or better present the remix on the Web to the fans and they could choose out of it or test it in several Disco´s !!
I´m so disappointed by that ugly remix and I hope, that they will Re-Remix it till september...I pray for it, because this tune is not made for a KING! Sorry my opinion! :twisted:

Tue Jul 22, 2003 2:19 pm

Just found this:

http://www.elvis-express.com/news2.html

Tue Jul 22, 2003 3:51 pm

Surely BMG will do the smart thing & include the Groove-mix on their single !

Tue Jul 22, 2003 4:27 pm

wait and see, maybe the the PO was only a test version...

Tue Jul 22, 2003 5:42 pm

good news:

on the Japan page you can hear the AOL version in very good quality

bad news (my opinion):
it is not the best remix....

but stop,, look and listen

Tue Jul 22, 2003 9:03 pm

Yeah, the AOL complete 'Rubberneckin' Paul Oakenfold remix is available for download:

http://www.biwa.ne.jp/~presley/index1.htm

Sounds better than the BBC one !

Tue Jul 22, 2003 9:27 pm

Also,

Have you noticed the AOL version has a completely different ending to the BBC version?

I must admit,this version sounds alot better.

Not fully convinced at it's potential though.

Tue Jul 22, 2003 9:33 pm

Dan -

Perhaps Pete Tong [on the BBC version] was starting to play the next record [Peter Gunn Theme ?] as Elvis finished !!

I'm getting a feeling of Deja Vu here [& what's more I could swear I've had it before!].

When we first heard ALLC, it was from a BBC broadcast, and I was concerned about the sound.

Then we got a better version available & I felt happier.

Then we got the actual record which was great !

Let's wait & see !

Tue Jul 22, 2003 9:56 pm

You may very well be right,Colin!

My wife thinks the PO remix sounds great.
My 13 year old daughter prefers the "Groove Mix" and my 12 year old boy now prefers the AOL version,to the "Groove Mix",which he liked better over the MP3 BBC version at first.

So,who knows?

Tue Jul 22, 2003 10:27 pm

It is great being an Elvis fan today with all the new releases and projects that are being planned.

Many of you know that I never have posted messages on this board or any other board before. Although over the years, I have always looked through to see what interesting subjects us fans are talking about. But over the past month I keep seeing the subject about Rubberneckin remix come up which now, I have been watching closely.

This being my first time on the message board was sparked by the topic of "Rubberneckin" which I believed was a great song not only in the film "Change of Habit" but the live version as well, they both really kick! Like I said, I don't do message boards but I really do feel strongly about the Rubberneckin remix situation and would like to share my opinion with you all.

Having listened to both the Oakenfold and "Groove Mix" versions I opt for the latter. It is true to the original release and shows more of a creative aspect by using the same musical tracks, an unbelievable idea and one that I think works. I would like to see more releases such as this!

I listened to the Oakenfold mix a few times. He seems to have thrown everything into this mix. We in the States say "you've thrown everything into it except the kitchen sink." Meaning, what a mess! Although I think this would appeal to a more less than 20 years age group with all those unnecessary whirling noises, the Groove mix would definitely satisfy a wider audience.

This single is also intended to promote the CD 2nd to none that will be released. So why not use the "Groove Mix" which is a compliment to the CD. Oakenfold's mix doesn't fall within the mix of the soon to be released CD. I know BMG though process, would sell as many CDs based on the sampling of "Rubberneckin".

What happens when they purchase the CD and all the material is original, not the mixed versions. Remember "A Little Less Conversation" had the promotional push of a major ad campaign to help sales. I would love to see the "Groove Mix" added to the release of the single and CD album release.

It is us the Elvis fans who have driven sales through the years and it seems we have been neglected on this release. I agree with bringing new fans on board, but don't forget your base.

Now we all have to accept the fact that the Oakenfold version is being released. After all the money spent on it, they can't back away now. We would just have to accept it and I believe this is a major blunder of BMG, but if they had sense they would include the Groove mix as an additional track on the CD and all will be OK again.

The benefits of this I believe first and foremost, BMG cant loose. Also it makes a more exciting single (that I would buy) and would I believe, get to No 1.

Also everyone is happy and all the benefits are for BMG. I would love a version of a remastered (I believe has not happened yet) copy of the Groove mix on a CD. Not the MP3 version I have here. It's exciting and it's still an Elvis track. Oakenfold has stayed true to himself and not Elvis at all. It's like he just put a record over his stuff. It has too much over sampling that has destroyed the original completely. At least with the JXL remix, that did not happen.

Imagine 2 Elvis No. 1s at the same time. That would be a first! Come on BMG, get your heads together, this is a unique opportunity!

I have spoken to many people regarding this and after hearing that the radios prefer the Groove mix; we must try and push this forward. Also now I believe fan clubs are joining in the debate. I don't blame them at all!

I would like to see BMG release the Oakenfold version for the clubs; "Groove Mix" for us loyalist and new comers into the Elvis world.

NOW that CD single would be worth buying if the 2 versions were included and you can reserve me the first copy.

Is not amazing we have 2 English guys one mixes it in north London another in south London, sheer coincidence.

As for the video, if one will be made, use the version in the film "Change of Habit". With today’s technology they can cut Elvis from the movie and paste him to a different environment. This is where they can include different footage to update the look and feel. Elvis looks so cool and fits in today as he did back then.

I am placing this message on all the relevant boards relating to Rubberneckin. As far as I believe BMG have not yet started pressing the CD for the September release which means if we all shout can scream about it, they will see sense to include the Groove mix on the single.

So, I wish to start a campaign, not to scrap the Oakenfold version because that is too late, but to include the Groove mix to satisfy everybody with the biggest benefits going to BMG and Elvis with 2 hits at the same time. NO one can loose and it's great for Elvis!

Please share your support on this. I know radio stations in the UK and some here in the States have and fans are starting but we have got to be heard and be heard quick before it's too late.

I will continue to support the King! Thank you for allowing me to offer my opinions and look forward to healthier dialog presented on this board.

Wed Jul 23, 2003 2:41 pm

Good points!