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Elvis, Ludiwg Van Beethoven, and so-called, Black Music.

Wed Jul 16, 2003 10:42 am

"....The story of American popular music has been a long, sad tradition of white ripping off black: Presley was as guilty of this as any other white exploiter - even if, in his apparent simplicity, he was just following his musical heart. He took African-American musical trends and made them palatable to a white audience...........". From a book review, by " John Anderson, "Newsday" 13th July 2003.

OK, Elvis liked so-called, Black Music! just as he liked and sang Irish songs, German songs, Italian songs, Spanish songs, etc.
Beethoven liked a particular Irish Air so much he built a whole Symphony around it. It is not called Beethoven's Irish symphony - in fact few people realize it has an Irish link at all - well the hard of hearing might not:-)

Known as the, "Apotheosis of the Dance", the last movement of the magnificent Seventh symphony is a testament to the universality of music.

There is no such thing as Black, or for that matter Green Music!!!
We Irish are honored Beethoven used an "Irish tune". The Black songwriters and musicians of America should be honored that Elvis Presley with his astounding voice sang, and played, "their", music.

After all is said and done, didn't most of them compose their songs using Pianos and the American-English language?

Thu Jul 17, 2003 12:11 pm

Before I forget, one of Elvis's relatives commenting on Elvis singing the "black" songs........."He sang them better".

With a few exceptions we must agree on that at least:-)

Thu Jul 17, 2003 4:16 pm

Congratulations Maurice on a perfect regurgitation of Doc's post on the exact same subject.


Thu Jul 17, 2003 5:42 pm

Not exactly Tom, The Doc, did not mention Beethoven:-)

But as usual you always miss the point. The Doc this is just regurgitating news from the media which is on other message boards.

My comments take a little more time to digest-enjoy the meal:-)

Thu Jul 17, 2003 6:39 pm

disney wrote: The Doc this is just regurgitating news from the media which is on other message boards.

Oh that's right, only YOU can do that.


Thu Jul 17, 2003 7:38 pm

Anyone writing about music who can't see that Elvis's rock and roll is just as much "white" country as it is "black" r&b is deaf, daft, or both.

It cuts both ways too. Chuck Berry wasn't r&b, he was pure R&R, BECAUSE he his song structure and lyric style is inherently infused with country. Johnny B. Goode was after all, "a country boy" and so was chuck.

And how about the "white" pop and country influences on Ray Charles, Sam Cooke, etc. Are these great mean stealing from white culture? Nonsense.

Any argument like this Newsday twit makes about black vs. white music is incredibly simplistic and uninformed. All of the boundaries between styles and racial influence are imaginary and only usefull for discussion, but as any musician will tell you, music is music, and every form heard by a true musician is likely to influence him in one way or another.

Thu Jul 17, 2003 8:17 pm

BIA, Yes you are quite right music is music. We are all influenced by whatever music we hear whether it's the magnificent Concertos and Symphonies of the great composers or popular music in all its forms.

The "Elvis stole black music" brigade must be taken to task at every opportunity.