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Fri Jul 11, 2003 6:32 pm

This thread has certainly generated some heated comments. However, some people are for Eminem and some against. Me, I cannot stand him or his kind of music. However, the main reason for my posting this topic was to see how many loyal Elvis fans there are on this Board who would take the time to vote for him in a Poll. Of course I am still none the wiser to the answer.


Brian

Fri Jul 11, 2003 7:03 pm

To tell you the truth guys, I don't like to knock someone I have never heard.

I couldn't tell you a record he as sung, not got a clue, and basically couldn't give a toss.

I don't listen to modern music at all, I can not stand the crappy noisy beat that it all seems to be. I would rather listen to records that have proper singers and musicians on 'em, proper drums, guitars, piano etc.
I never listen to modern radio, never watch modern music on television.
I just can't do with it, a lot of people like it, I don't, it's all JUNK.

MY OPINION, IF YOU WANNA LISTEN TO IT, YOU LISTEN TO IT....

I PREFER ELVIS & ROCK 'N' ROLL MUSIC. :D

Fri Jul 11, 2003 7:28 pm

Brian Quinn wrote: However, the main reason for my posting this topic was to see how many loyal Elvis fans there are on this Board who would take the time to vote for him in a Poll. Of course I am still none the wiser to the answer.


Brian


Hmmmm, more often than not I just step round without commenting on these vote for Elvis poll things you post ad nauseum Brian - but this comment from you I feel deserves a retort.

You guage someones loyalty or level of fandom on whether they post a vote on a silly poll that belongs in a school playground .....'my pop star is better than your pop star, my dad's bigger than your dad ! I mean seriously - get real.

No Brian, incase you haven't guessed I didn't vote in your poll - care to tell me what kind of fan that makes me ? - I'm serious.

Oh and it is ok to enjoy music that was made after 1977 to be welcome on this board I trust ? I also have a couple of Eminem CD's, how disloyal of me bwa ha ha !!!! As an observation of past threads seems to indicate some 'Elvis fans' are stuck in a timewarp musically speaking.

I don't get the seeming need some have to have to seek acknowledgement that Elvis is better.

Lastly does anyone else hate the phrases such as 'loyal Elvis fan', 'true Elvis fan', ' the REAL fans' etc that get thrown around on this board from time to time like it's some sort of badge - one gets the impression some feel themselves a 'superior Elvis fan' to others.

Fri Jul 11, 2003 8:02 pm

ClintReno wrote:
Brian Quinn wrote: However, the main reason for my posting this topic was to see how many loyal Elvis fans there are on this Board who would take the time to vote for him in a Poll. Of course I am still none the wiser to the answer.


Brian


Hmmmm, more often than not I just step round without commenting on these vote for Elvis poll things you post ad nauseum Brian - but this comment from you I feel deserves a retort.

You guage someones loyalty or level of fandom on whether they post a vote on a silly poll that belongs in a school playground .....'my pop star is better than your pop star, my dad's bigger than your dad ! I mean seriously - get real.

No Brian, incase you haven't guessed I didn't vote in your poll - care to tell me what kind of fan that makes me ? - I'm serious.

Oh and it is ok to enjoy music that was made after 1977 to be welcome on this board I trust ? I also have a couple of Eminem CD's, how disloyal of me bwa ha ha !!!! As an observation of past threads seems to indicate some 'Elvis fans' are stuck in a timewarp musically speaking.

I don't get the seeming need some have to have to seek acknowledgement that Elvis is better.

Lastly does anyone else hate the phrases such as 'loyal Elvis fan', 'true Elvis fan', ' the REAL fans' etc that get thrown around on this board from time to time like it's some sort of badge - one gets the impression some feel themselves a 'superior Elvis fan' to others.


In connection with your comments above Clint I would like to say that YES I do judge whether a person is a loyal Elvis fan if he or she does or does not vote in a poll such as this one or does or does not send requests to radio stations for his records to get played or does or does not write articles for magazines etc. It is obviously up to each person what they do but without active support from loyal Elvis fans, Elvis would have nowhere near the popularity he has now. In my opinion, it is not enough to just surf the various message boards and listen to records. Elvis needs active support. By the way I am 58 years of age and have been a fan since 1956.


Brian

Fri Jul 11, 2003 8:48 pm

Well if voting in silly polls like this makes you more of a 'fan' Brian good for you buddy. By your definition, by not voting I am not as 'loyal a fan as you' - the poll is ludicrous nonsense, I'm not the only one to point it out either.

'Elvis fans' recieve many labels - ever wonder what label these type of polls perpetuate ?

Comparing the career of Elvis Presley to that of Eminem is <b>beyond</b> apples and oranges. To vote in such a poll is a redundant exercise.

Sat Jul 12, 2003 12:49 am

Joe Lightcloud I really appreciate your intelligent response. You have some good reasons for your view and I can respect that. I too have felt the same way as you. Remember this...there are no absolutes. When you start thinking like that, then you have a point. I for one don't think rap is for everybody. Up unitil about 10 years ago it wasn't for me either. Nor siree bob. That said. Eminem is a entirely different animal. Listening to him, I have understood even more what it is like to have emotion in music. I think if there is one song that captures the movement it is "forgot about Dre." Not only is it the comeback of Dr. Dre which who has single handedly revolutionized rap and is a talented producer, but it also introduces EMINEM to the mainstream in the BIGGEST way(yes I know this is far from the first time that Eminem was heard). The song says it all. KNowing the history helps, but just take it for what it is. For a man that is supposedly down for the count he keeps coming back and making the new order look like amatuers. It is on the Dre 2001 album. It is worth a listen.

Though this is only a suggestion. Back to Elvis. I only want to gently persuade. Not to change people's minds but to have the same feeling I have when I convince people to give Elvis a second chance. TO get past all the bull and let a newer generation enjoy his music. I am not suggesting that you Joe Lightcloud don't have a open mind, but just to give the man a chance. He didn't sell 20 million albums for nothing. Unlike other artists he wrote his own lyrics, and has many attitudes that I feel. THe idea is that it is about going against the establishment, tired of being broke(or rich) and mainly having thouroughly human attitude. Elvis was similar in ideas, standing up for what he believed. Eminem's attitude is that it is a F'ed up world right now and people have mixed messages.

Me personally, I look for raw and in your face music. Non processed and with heart. Well Eminem is one of those kind of people. I look his first album(as well as the EP) right now as MIni-Sun Records. It tells the truth and the " I don't care" message is priceless. One thing that has always moved me is honesty. Remember EMINEM was NOTHING when the album came out. Much like Appetite For Destruction or Straight Outta Compton it really struck a nerve. The Marshall Mathers LP just capatilized on this. In the Backstreet Boys, Britney Spears and N' sync manufactured world it was a rude awakening.

Ok I am done now. THis is a Elvis board and I am sorry.

Sat Jul 12, 2003 1:08 am

For me...it's pretty hard to compare Eminem to Elvis because of the fact that Eminem is not even the best rapper to ever live. Tupac Shakur anyone? Eminem's lyrics are good, but he cant rap like Tupac did, most people in rap would agree with this. Look at Shakur, he was killed 7 years ago and he's still probably the most popular rapper to ever live. If you want to compare someone to Elvis as far as stardom goes and lasting the test of time, it should be Tupac.

However, neither of them hold a candle to Elvis in my view. Definitely neither are "bigger" than Elvis and never will be. Elvis changed too much in society, not just music.

Sat Jul 12, 2003 1:13 am

It's your good right to dig Eminem, genesim, I just thought he was another imposter with a look-how-tough-I-am attitude. Perhaps I was wrong, I don't know. I will listen to his music and find out, if it's good and honest it deserves a chance. He seems to be popular with black fans also, which can be a sign of the real thing, otherwise he would be unmasked form day one.

I must say that I never liked rap music much, except for an occasional song. I like funk and soul from the old school: James Brown, Bootsy Collins, Funkadelic, The Meters, Marvin Gaye, Al Green, Stevie Wonder, Isaac Hayes,... These guys really layed down the rules for anything in black popular music that followed: the rythms, the beats, the attitudes, the lyrics...and they didn't need tattoos or cussing to be cool.

Ever heard from Lightnin' Rod? I made rap music in 1969 (and made music with Jimi Hendrix before anyone even invented the term) :) .

Sat Jul 12, 2003 1:15 am

James27 wrote:It's your good right to dig Eminem, genesim, I just thought he was another imposter with a look-how-tough-I-am attitude. Perhaps I was wrong, I don't know. I will listen to his music and find out, if it's good and honest it deserves a chance. He seems to be popular with black fans also, which can be a sign of the real thing, otherwise he would be unmasked form day one.

I must say that I never liked rap music much, except for an occasional song. I like funk and soul from the old school: James Brown, Bootsy Collins, Funkadelic, The Meters, Marvin Gaye, Al Green, Stevie Wonder, Isaac Hayes,... These guys really layed down the rules for anything in black popular music that followed: the rythms, the beats, the attitudes, the lyrics...and they didn't need tattoos or cussing to be cool.

Ever heard from Lightnin' Rod? I made rap music in 1969 (and made music with Jimi Hendrix before anyone even invented the term) :) .


Actually James, even though I do kind of like Eminem myself......you are right. He is an imposter or a "fake" kind of pretending to be tough. What most people don't know is that Eminem used to rap about God, he was somewhat of a Christian rapper and talked about God in almost all of his songs...then he met a rapper in New York named Cage and stole his entire act, the way he rapped, everything from him, became a so called "hard ass" as he wants to be seen and now you see him now. No I'm not huge into rap lol the reason I know this is I am friends with a guy who's cousin dates the rapper Cage in New York who has an ongoing feud with Eminem. That was the true Eminem though.

Sat Jul 12, 2003 1:39 am

Actually, if you guys want to see something really funny, check out this picture of Eminem I found. This was obviously before he changed his clothing style and took on his "tough guy" image. I had to edit out one of the words in the picture ;) ...

<img src="http://www.boomspeed.com/showstoppa23/TheRealBitchLady.jpg">

:lol:

Sat Jul 12, 2003 5:54 am

Considering that it's highly unlikely that anyone on this mb has seen both Elvis and Eminem in the nude, the question simply cannot be answered! :D

Sat Jul 12, 2003 1:54 pm

Stan was great, and Eminem introduced Dido

Sat Jul 12, 2003 5:38 pm

Ryan D don't make me laugh. Now I am not putting Tupac down, but he is hardly the phenomenon. He could only dream about selling as many records. True Tupac was very successful, but lets face it, him dying was the best business that he EVER got. Nice picture of Eminem, kind of reminds me of how Eazy E dug up old pictures of Dr. Dre. Too bad it don't really mean much. Eminem isn't claiming to be a tough guy, I challenge anybody to ever get down to the real person. His arguement is that he started out "normal" and because of his upbringing he turned into the monster that he became. How old is he in that pictue like 12-15? Hey Ryan wonder if we can dig up some pictures on you as well. lol While I don't think Eminem does all the drugs he says he does, after all it is part of the show, I do have trouble with the fake comment. First of all, Eminem honesty with his art is what comes through. Who is this Cage guy? You can't steal style. True you can have influence, but every Elvis impersonator knows there is only one artist. I am betting that Eminem would have a different story to this incident. Rapping about god and having the Infinite album doesn't mean a damn. Every artist struggles at the beginning, that doesn't mean they can never find their foothold. Saying that a change of pace is not being true to their art is rediculous. What baffles me is hearing the final product and saying he is a fake? When you hear Eminem freestyle it is obvious who wrote the material. As far as the tough guy, well when is the last time you pistol whipped somebody? Though I would never do that, it is hard to believe that EVERYTHING he raps about is made up. He was charged with a felony. You don't grow up in Detroit rapping to black audiences and trying to pass yourself off as good and not expect to have some street "tough guy" experience. Eminem was not manufactured, the underground tapes are proof of that. So Ryan I disagree with you. Though I like Tupac and N.W.A.(and I admit whole heartedly that I am not the RAP expert), I think it is obvious that it is Eminem that is the most popular Rapper that has ever lived...so far. Sorry, but facts are facts. I actually doubt that Tupac is second. Still that is splitting hairs. If Eminem isn't in the ball park of Elvis, then Tupac is even further!! Tupac didn't have the impact on white america like Eminem. For the first time a RAP album outsold mainstream music.

Ok I always say I am done, but I just can't help it.

Speaking of baby pictures those actually remind me of some of the Elvis pictures. We have all seen them. Amazing that what starts out as innocent, can become a MONSTER in the end. Would anyone have guessed that the young man with a sailor hat, would turn into a Bloated(I don't mean this disrespect) KING that would captivate the world. I think the beauty of people like Bruce Lee, Muhammed ALi and Elvis are that they took their art form(or sport) to new audiences. In that respect, that is where Eminem is comparable. It is something that you would think has a limited appeal(kungfu, boxing, blues,rap) at the time and then it ends up raising peoples ears.

Rap isn't for everybody, just like Kungfu isn't. There are people that don't like Kung Fu movies. WHile I admit there is a lot of crap, when you come to the the Creme' de la Creme' there is some pretty impressive stuff.

p.s. I wonder who made that picture available to the public...hmmm.. check out the marshall mathers lp insert...hmm

Sun Jul 13, 2003 7:08 am

genesim wrote:Ryan D don't make me laugh. Now I am not putting Tupac down, but he is hardly the phenomenon. He could only dream about selling as many records. True Tupac was very successful, but lets face it, him dying was the best business that he EVER got. Nice picture of Eminem, kind of reminds me of how Eazy E dug up old pictures of Dr. Dre. Too bad it don't really mean much. Eminem isn't claiming to be a tough guy, I challenge anybody to ever get down to the real person. His arguement is that he started out "normal" and because of his upbringing he turned into the monster that he became. How old is he in that pictue like 12-15? Hey Ryan wonder if we can dig up some pictures on you as well. lol While I don't think Eminem does all the drugs he says he does, after all it is part of the show, I do have trouble with the fake comment. First of all, Eminem honesty with his art is what comes through. Who is this Cage guy? You can't steal style. True you can have influence, but every Elvis impersonator knows there is only one artist. I am betting that Eminem would have a different story to this incident. Rapping about god and having the Infinite album doesn't mean a damn. Every artist struggles at the beginning, that doesn't mean they can never find their foothold. Saying that a change of pace is not being true to their art is rediculous. What baffles me is hearing the final product and saying he is a fake? When you hear Eminem freestyle it is obvious who wrote the material. As far as the tough guy, well when is the last time you pistol whipped somebody? Though I would never do that, it is hard to believe that EVERYTHING he raps about is made up. He was charged with a felony. You don't grow up in Detroit rapping to black audiences and trying to pass yourself off as good and not expect to have some street "tough guy" experience. Eminem was not manufactured, the underground tapes are proof of that. So Ryan I disagree with you. Though I like Tupac and N.W.A.(and I admit whole heartedly that I am not the RAP expert), I think it is obvious that it is Eminem that is the most popular Rapper that has ever lived...so far. Sorry, but facts are facts. I actually doubt that Tupac is second. Still that is splitting hairs. If Eminem isn't in the ball park of Elvis, then Tupac is even further!! Tupac didn't have the impact on white america like Eminem. For the first time a RAP album outsold mainstream music.

Ok I always say I am done, but I just can't help it.

Speaking of baby pictures those actually remind me of some of the Elvis pictures. We have all seen them. Amazing that what starts out as innocent, can become a MONSTER in the end. Would anyone have guessed that the young man with a sailor hat, would turn into a Bloated(I don't mean this disrespect) KING that would captivate the world. I think the beauty of people like Bruce Lee, Muhammed ALi and Elvis are that they took their art form(or sport) to new audiences. In that respect, that is where Eminem is comparable. It is something that you would think has a limited appeal(kungfu, boxing, blues,rap) at the time and then it ends up raising peoples ears.

Rap isn't for everybody, just like Kungfu isn't. There are people that don't like Kung Fu movies. WHile I admit there is a lot of crap, when you come to the the Creme' de la Creme' there is some pretty impressive stuff.

p.s. I wonder who made that picture available to the public...hmmm.. check out the marshall mathers lp insert...hmm


Well....as far as changing the music Eminem does have the advantage over Tupac because I dont believe Tupac brought rap to new audiences such as Eminem did. However, were looking at the total picture here to say who is the greatest rap star of all time. Talent wise...Tupac, bar none. Tupac flows so much better, his lyrics are much more in depth...and so on. Plus, at least you can listen to Tupac for hours without getting a headache, as compared to Eminem who's highpitched/nosey voice gets annoying after a while. Tupac = MUCH more versatile. Notorious BIG also is way ahead of Eminem in rap talent, although he's not up there in popularity so Eminem would rank over Biggie. I disagree with you GREATLY on saying Eminem is the most popular ever. I highly doubt it. Look how long Tupac has lived on after his death. I would bet everything I have on the fact that if a poll were taken, Tupac would rank above Eminem. You spoke of record sales and how Tupac could only dream about selling as many as Eminem, but Tupac has sold more records overall than Eminem. Also, you said for the "first time" a rap album outsold mainstream music. Many rappers have had their albums top the charts. Eminem was definitely not the first. Tupac has had multiple albums at #1, as has Biggie, Jay Z, etc. So that was inaccurate, if I am reading into what you were saying right.

Also, for overall musical talent....Tupac to Eminem....Tupac could actually sing. He actually attened on scholarship a school for music. Bet you didn't know that.

So...I'm going to have to disagree with you :) Once again, I never said I didn't like Eminem's music. I own all of his albums and enjoy him, but he is nowhere close to the rapper Tupac was.

Anyways, this is an Elvis board...not a rap board....so back to the King...the man who is undisputedably the greatest entertainer ever :D

Sun Jul 13, 2003 9:42 am

Ok, I do respect your opinion. I trust and understand you prefer Tupac over Eminem. That I cannot debate. Different tastes. Now on to the record sales. Are you kidding me? Add it up. Has Tupac even had a record go over 10 million in sales? Looking around there are actually a few TUPAC albums that have sold less than 500,000. It is a fact there has never been a RAP album that has been the top selling album of the YEAR! Being #1 for a couple of weeks doesn't cut it. So yes you are right, there were weeks that Rap did well. Then again there was a week that Nelson and Biz Markie did best as well...what is your point?

Has Tupac ever generated sales like 50 million or so for a R rated movie? Has Tupac set DVD record sales for a musical artist. Eminem moved the most DVD in a week of any R rated movie EVER!!! He is #1 seller of any Rap artist in history. Maybe Tupac beats Eminem in T shirt sales, but I even doubt that one. Biggie and Tupac are the latest thing, cause they got killed, that doesn't mean that other rappers are not as big. I am sure there are a few names left out. N.W.A. comes to mind.

You want to argue taste, that is one thing. You want to argue FACTS, I say do some more research. I am not saying that there will never be a bigger Rap star. Perhaps Tupac will pass Eminem up. Though I seriously doubt it. You can't listen to Eminem for more than a hour, well that is fine. Different taste. I say he is one of the best collaborators ever and there is no one he can't rap with. I think the man is just beginning. We shall see. For now, there is no one bigger. Or in the words of the man "there is no one iller than me!"


So I agree lets get back to Elvis. I don't have to always be right, but this one I am for certain.

p.s. Interesting point about Tupac singing. I didn't know that. The world lost a great talent. I have heard Tupac here and there. I do like a lot of his songs. Coming from a fan such as yourself, where is the best place to start when buying a cd. I noticed some of them have been remastered.

Sun Jul 13, 2003 10:02 am

I cant even believe this discussion is even taking place. Unfortunately the "talents" and charm of Tupac, EMINEM and like ilk allude me. I really cant say much more than that.... lol



geeeeeeeesh

Sun Jul 13, 2003 10:07 am

genesim wrote:Ok, I do respect your opinion. I trust and understand you prefer Tupac over Eminem. That I cannot debate. Different tastes. Now on to the record sales. Are you kidding me? Add it up. Has Tupac even had a record go over 10 million in sales? Looking around there are actually a few TUPAC albums that have sold less than 500,000. It is a fact there has never been a RAP album that has been the top selling album of the YEAR! Being #1 for a couple of weeks doesn't cut it. So yes you are right, there were weeks that Rap did well. Then again there was a week that Nelson and Biz Markie did best as well...what is your point?

Has Tupac ever generated sales like 50 million or so for a R rated movie? Has Tupac set DVD record sales for a musical artist. Eminem moved the most DVD in a week of any R rated movie EVER!!! He is #1 seller of any Rap artist in history. Maybe Tupac beats Eminem in T shirt sales, but I even doubt that one. Biggie and Tupac are the latest thing, cause they got killed, that doesn't mean that other rappers are not as big. I am sure there are a few names left out. N.W.A. comes to mind.

You want to argue taste, that is one thing. You want to argue FACTS, I say do some more research. I am not saying that there will never be a bigger Rap star. Perhaps Tupac will pass Eminem up. Though I seriously doubt it. You can't listen to Eminem for more than a hour, well that is fine. Different taste. I say he is one of the best collaborators ever and there is no one he can't rap with. I think the man is just beginning. We shall see. For now, there is no one bigger. Or in the words of the man "there is no one iller than me!"


So I agree lets get back to Elvis. I don't have to always be right, but this one I am for certain.

p.s. Interesting point about Tupac singing. I didn't know that. The world lost a great talent. I have heard Tupac here and there. I do like a lot of his songs. Coming from a fan such as yourself, where is the best place to start when buying a cd. I noticed some of them have been remastered.


For the best Tupac CD, all you really need is Greatest Hits because it has a lot of his great songs on it. For his best true album, it's probably All Eyez On Me. The latest release (he still released a new album almost every year even though he's dead because he had so many songs yet to come out, unreleased) "Better Dayz" was also quite good.

I will have to look up the facts to prove it to you, but in overall record sales Tupac is ahead of Eminem. Tupac is over the 20 million mark. I'll try to find the exact figures again, i've seen them a month or so ago.

The stuff about DVD sales and movies is hard to argue and yet Eminem is definitely over Tupac in that, however a lot of that I think can be contributed to what I call the gullable "mtv generation" who buy whatever MTV says is "cool". This wasn't as strong of a force when Tupac was around, IE: no TRL. Plain and simply, Tupac never had the "merchandising machines" blasting him into the public like Eminem has, because I don't believe rap was accepted by the public as much at the time, certainly not "gangsta rap".

You're right on the biggest selling album of the year...I wasn't aware if you were talking about just topping the charts before. Now i knew what you meant.

At least we both agree Elvis is the one and only NUMBER ONE! :D

Sun Jul 13, 2003 10:08 am

Kylan wrote:I cant even believe this discussion is even taking place. Unfortunately the "talents" and charm of Tupac, EMINEM and like ilk allude me. I really cant say much more than that.... lol



geeeeeeeesh



lol understandable Kylan, to each his own....at least we are all here because of Elvis :D

Sun Jul 13, 2003 10:09 am

Sorry Kylan, I can always count on you to keep us in line. lol. Don't worry, I am still a Elvis fan forever, just get a little off track sometimes.

Sun Jul 13, 2003 10:20 am

genesim wrote:Ok, I do respect your opinion. I trust and understand you prefer Tupac over Eminem. That I cannot debate. Different tastes. Now on to the record sales. Are you kidding me? Add it up. Has Tupac even had a record go over 10 million in sales? Looking around there are actually a few TUPAC albums that have sold less than 500,000. It is a fact there has never been a RAP album that has been the top selling album of the YEAR! Being #1 for a couple of weeks doesn't cut it. So yes you are right, there were weeks that Rap did well. Then again there was a week that Nelson and Biz Markie did best as well...what is your point?

Has Tupac ever generated sales like 50 million or so for a R rated movie? Has Tupac set DVD record sales for a musical artist. Eminem moved the most DVD in a week of any R rated movie EVER!!! He is #1 seller of any Rap artist in history. Maybe Tupac beats Eminem in T shirt sales, but I even doubt that one. Biggie and Tupac are the latest thing, cause they got killed, that doesn't mean that other rappers are not as big. I am sure there are a few names left out. N.W.A. comes to mind.

You want to argue taste, that is one thing. You want to argue FACTS, I say do some more research. I am not saying that there will never be a bigger Rap star. Perhaps Tupac will pass Eminem up. Though I seriously doubt it. You can't listen to Eminem for more than a hour, well that is fine. Different taste. I say he is one of the best collaborators ever and there is no one he can't rap with. I think the man is just beginning. We shall see. For now, there is no one bigger. Or in the words of the man "there is no one iller than me!"


So I agree lets get back to Elvis. I don't have to always be right, but this one I am for certain.

p.s. Interesting point about Tupac singing. I didn't know that. The world lost a great talent. I have heard Tupac here and there. I do like a lot of his songs. Coming from a fan such as yourself, where is the best place to start when buying a cd. I noticed some of them have been remastered.


Well that did not take long :) I headed over to http://www.tupac-online.com and there source is XXL Rap Magazine, and they believe these album sales to actually be out of date and not updated but they listed them as accurate of the end of May, for info on Tupacs album sales. Actually, the Guiness Book of World Records listed Tupacs record sales at the end of 2001 as 33.5 million listing him as the top selling rap artist ever :D Here are his album sales as of the end of May of this year...

#1 Alleyezonme-12.3 million-Diamond
#2 Greatest Hits-10.1 million-Diamond
#3 Makaveli Album-7.5 million-7XPlatinum
#4 R U Still Down-6 million-6X Platinum
#5 Until The End of Time-3.7 million-3X Platinum
#6 Me Against The World-2.5 million-2X Platinum
#7 Better Dayz-2.3 million-2X Platinum
#8 Strictly 4 My N.I.G.G.A.Z-1.4 million-Platinum
#9 Still I Rise-1.2 million-Platinum
#10 2Pacalypse Now-830,000 thousnad-Gold
#11 Thug Life Vol.1 677,000 thousand-Gold
#12 The Rose that Grew from the Concrete-550,000-Gold