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Sat Jul 05, 2003 12:34 pm
drjohncrapenter wrote:Graceland Galonker wrote:Another thing, is the extent of info on four 1955 events commonly considered lost and forgotten:
Arthur Godfrey TV Auditon [ sic ]
The Jimmie Rodgers [ sic ] Memorial Concert/Broadcast
Pied Piper of Cleveland film
Nashville Disc Jockey Convention.
IMO, Webster succeeded where Guralnick failed to cover those events in as much detail.
This makes no sense whatsoever.
Webster's recent book has been thoroughly dismissed as being chock full of spurious information. Guralinick's 1994 biography has won national and international recognition.
And of the above four "lost" examples, only ONE was definitely filmed and recorded: the October 1955 Cleveland concerts, aka "The Pied Piper Of Cleveland."
Say good night, Gracie.
Sat Jul 05, 2003 8:29 pm
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Promocollector wrote:What about ' The Illustrated Record ' - Roy Carr & Mick Farren, i find this very informative and a must for vinyl fans(all fans).Promocollector
Sun Jul 06, 2003 3:45 am
likethebike wrote:Then read the damn thing. No insight into the music. No use for this book. End of story.
likethebike wrote:Priscilla's book contains valuable anecdotes. Only a fool would not consider it important reading. It doesn't matter if she herself has any real insights. She was there.
likethebike wrote:And let's not get all high and mighty about your so-called Elvis knowledge. You don't have some sort of monopoly on insight about the king. I read the same books you read and so did probably everyone else on this board. So get off it.
Sun Jul 06, 2003 10:45 am
Sun Jul 06, 2003 11:42 am
Elvis the corpse does not interest me in the slightest.
Sun Jul 06, 2003 11:45 am
likethebike wrote: ......... He lived a self-destructive lifestyle and died too young partially due to obesity and an unhealthy addiction to prescription drugs.
likethebike wrote: ............ What can be learned about his artistry, his instincts from an examination of the drugs that were in his body when he died?
likethebike wrote: ........... That there was a cover up is also not important.
likethebike wrote: .......... It's an embarrassing way to die and Elvis was a prominent person.
likethebike wrote: ......... "Yes the bodyguards were right. He's a junkie"?
likethebike wrote: ....... Elvis the artist is endlessly fascinating to me. The person behind that art is also interesting but slightly less so. The icon and cultural hero also grab my interest. Elvis the corpse does not interest me in the slightest.
likethebike wrote: ........ In defense of the Priscilla book, I don't see how you can say there weren't some solid anecdotes in there that revealed a lot about Elvis. ........ All of those are little things but they give you a glimpse of some of what Elvis was about.
likethebike wrote: ....... When you're dealing in biography a book does not have to be well written or especially insightful to have a utilitarian value.
likethebike wrote: ........ Why do you complain about this book and let bodyguard books pass without comment.
Sun Jul 06, 2003 12:56 pm
Graceland Gardener wrote:Give me books/documentaries/presentations where Elvis does not drop dead on the bathroom floor for the big finale. In other words, don't focus on '70s/'77 Elvis. It's too damned depressing and shameful and sad and pathetic.
Sun Jul 06, 2003 6:26 pm
N880EP wrote:likethebike wrote: ............ What can be learned about his artistry, his instincts from an examination of the drugs that were in his body when he died?
The part in the Thompson & Cole book about holding Elvis' vocal cords in their hands was, however gruesome, ..................... quite a statement about the "man's" artistry and what it all comes down to - flesh and blood (in Elvis' own words).
There is also a lesson to be learned in the consequences of unprecedented fame & superstardom and the adverse side-effects (no pun intended) that they have on a human being. The book deals with the physical, ............. which stems from the "psychological." Any way you choose to slice it, it comes back to the The Man, his Music, his Artistry, ...... and his LIFE on all levels.
The brutal truth in the contents of the book undoubtedly does not sit well with some, but it is the truth - the reality.
... just a fan ....
Mon Jul 07, 2003 1:06 am
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Mon Jul 07, 2003 3:03 am
likethebike wrote: ............ I have never heard such a load of horse manure.
likethebike wrote: ..... It tells us something about the devastating effects of fame. Right. How does it make different than any other person that was on drugs? Everybody's on them for some reason. The person in the book could be any dead celebrity. If you want to know because your nosy that's ok but don't pretend it's some sort of great statement on his art..
likethebike wrote: .... The self-importance of some users on this board never fails to amuse me. And you can read that anyway you want..
likethebike wrote: ..... The vocal chord thing is a real reach..
likethebike wrote: ..... As for the coverup, it was unveiled 10 years before. There was nothing sinister about it. God, forbid someone try to protect Elvis' reputation. It was uncovered. Oh boy. .
likethebike wrote: .... The person is most definitely not the art. But you have never heard of separating the art from the artist.
Mon Jul 07, 2003 3:42 am
DerekGillies wrote:I think Elvis - A Radio History From 1945 to 1955, by Aaron Webster, is a nice supplement to Last Train To Memphis. It gives a lot of extra little details and background to these formative years.
Mon Jul 07, 2003 7:14 am
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Mon Jul 07, 2003 7:53 am
likethebike wrote:You still have not produced one compelling argument that was not based on some sort of recycled cliche.
likethebike wrote:Also it is odd that my original post was a criticism of the book not of any particular user. Yet your response immediately got personal something I had never done until this thread.
likethebike wrote:Listen up and it's about time somebody told you flat out. You ARE NOT AN EXPERT ON ELVIS PRESLEY! Peter Guralnick is an expert on Elvis Presley. Ernst Jorgensen is an expert on Elvis Presley. You're an enthusiastic fan like everyone else here. You've done no original research. You've never been published on the topic. Like everyone else here you've read what others have written and digested that. That's it, no more no less.
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