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Did EP's fandom cause a lack of effort by associates?

Tue Nov 01, 2005 9:58 pm

I guess the question I want to ask is, because of his incredible success in almost everything project or area of the entertainment field he entered, did that cause people around him to take their personal assigments for granted? I don't mean band members or fellow musicians but perhaps the people who designed his LP's, simple mistakes that were made. I'm sure there are countlesss other examples, the latest would be the release of Hitstory, no publicity, just plop EP's face on there and it will show a profit. What do you people think, what other examples can you think of where this approach was taken during his career and even today? Is he the only star that this would pertain too? Sorry about the longwinded question. I'm off to work, see you folks tonight.

Tue Nov 01, 2005 10:57 pm

Joe -

In many ways, his record label and his management didn't actually understand his appeal.

Like Ed Sullivan, they understood only the effect he had, and the dollars it pulled in.

I suppose that was enough, really.

It meant they had to leave the creative side of things up to him.

And in the early years, his judgement was spot on.

Wed Nov 02, 2005 1:06 am

His LP covers from the 70"s were over all pretty cheap,and done that way as well...keep it in the family (EB).

Wed Nov 02, 2005 1:06 am

Elvis' "pretty face" no doubt encouraged what Joe describes,
as well as indiscriminate "fans." The more things change... :wink:

It's no wonder that a new book "The 100 Best Rock Albums Ever"
published by Barnes & Noble (based on a VH-1 series) has
merely "The Sun Sessions" listed somewhere in the middle.
In passing, they refer to his "short-lived glory." There is
open ignorance and disdain for Elvis outside of diehards and
scholars...

If Elvis had been "uglier" and slightly less charismatic, perhaps
it might have been different.

We know Elvis was a success on many levels, but the consensus
elsewhere is sadly divergent.

Wed Nov 02, 2005 3:51 pm

Shouldn't the question (statement) be:

"Don't Elvis' fans take him for granted?

The answer explains why few are up in arms over Elvis's poor showing in the Variety top icons poll!!

I realise I'm being cryptic here but don't we need to focus on the important issues, not the frivolous? We lose so much energy discussing issues such as Joe's, but we miss the REAL points that influence the media, the public and by implication, the future Elvis stories!!!

HOW ELVIS IS PORTRAYED IN THE PRESS IS WHAT MATTERS...the media is a major influence on the views the next generation.

John

Wed Nov 02, 2005 5:16 pm

John Walker wrote:Shouldn't the question (statement) be:

"Don't Elvis' fans take him for granted?

The answer explains why few are up in arms over Elvis's poor showing in the Variety top icons poll!!

I realise I'm being cryptic here but don't we need to focus on the important issues, not the frivolous? We lose so much energy discussing issues such as Joe's, but we miss the REAL points that influence the media, the public and by implication, the future Elvis stories!!!

HOW ELVIS IS PORTRAYED IN THE PRESS IS WHAT MATTERS...the media is a major influence on the views the next generation.

John


John, the poll was displayed in alphabetical order, once the Beatles were established as the no.1 choice by Variety. There still is no order given to the rest of the choices. For all we know, our guy could have been no.2.

Wed Nov 02, 2005 6:26 pm

And John, most of us beat the drum on all the issues you mentioned,
probably to a fault.

We have lots of energy. :lol:

Fri Nov 04, 2005 4:02 am

Gregory, you make a good point. Many of us beat the drum...the trick is for us to do it with the influential mainstream media. Preaching to the converted serves us no purpose. John

Fri Nov 04, 2005 7:54 am

That's a good point about preaching to the converted John. However, we also have to realize that some people will never be convinced. I fight the good fight out there but I have people even after I've proven them factually wrong still cling to the falsity.

Colonel Parker was the key man in taking Elvis' success for granted. Parker had a great contempt for the tastes of the majority of Presley fans. He was almost defiant in bragging that you could put Elvis' face on something and have it sell. He never equated quality with success.

For Elvis though it must have been confusing in some ways as well. Just walking through "Hound Dog" elicits the same reaction as an all stops out "Suspicious Minds".

Fri Nov 04, 2005 7:49 pm

John and LTB, on a personal level, I try to bring people around sometimes.
I know some of us here do some "media activism" such
as when some 20-something columnist slips in a "fat Elvis" joke
into a piece, etc. But it can be exhausting.
And besides, there are
too many people I've known who "get" Elvis right away that
it seems silly to try to "save" those who dismiss him.

However, plenty also "would" like Elvis if they could get passed
the years of nonsense. Sometimes his music (or video) is enough
to break though all that.

But I agree his image still needs care. RCA made many steps in that
direction under Roger and Ernst (although slipping lately with too
many cynical gospel, X-Mas, and hits repackagings) but EPE has
totally gone off now and started hawking '70s jumpsuits *and* green-
lighting that D.O.A. 2005 TV drama with Myers-Rys badly misfiring
as "Elvis:... :roll: :evil:

It may take longer to "fix" the Elvis legacy than I thought even
a few years ago during the rise of ALLC and E1.

I sometimes think we'd be better "post-EPE."
That is, when there can no longer be an "Elvis industry," whenever that may be.
History simply will be much kinder than his
profiteering "caretakers" in Memphis
- and N.J., etc.

Fri Nov 04, 2005 8:06 pm

Gregory Nolan Jr. wrote:John and LTB, on a personal level, I try to bring people around sometimes.
I know some of us here do some "media activism" such
as when some 20-something columnist slips in a "fat Elvis" joke
into a piece, etc. But it can be exhausting.
And besides, there are
too many people I've known who "get" Elvis right away that
it seems silly to try to "save" those who dismiss him.

However, plenty also "would" like Elvis if they could get passed
the years of nonsense. Sometimes his music (or video) is enough
to break though all that.

But I agree his image still needs care. RCA made many steps in that
direction under Roger and Ernst (although slipping lately with too
many cynical gospel, X-Mas, and hits repackagings) but EPE has
totally gone off now and started hawking '70s jumpsuits *and* green-
lighting that D.O.A. 2005 TV drama with Myers-Rys badly misfiring
as "Elvis:... :roll: :evil:

It may take longer to "fix" the Elvis legacy than I thought even
a few years ago during the rise of ALLC and E1.

I sometimes think we'd be better "post-EPE."
That is, when there can no longer be an "Elvis industry," whenever that may be.
History simply will be much kinder than his
profiteering "caretakers" in Memphis
- and N.J., etc.


I just hope that "fat Elvis in a jumpsuit" isn't ingrained in our psyche forever. Where I work, (at a casino) a lot of us dealers dressed up for Halloween this past Sunday, just when I thought I escaped the jumpsuit costume, lo and behold a friend of mine walks in with that jumpsuit and about 50lbs. added to his waist, not to mention the curly wig and sideburns. Here's a thought, why don't those morons from EPE start pushing the 69 EP, karate gi's and beautiful wardrobe, or have they throw in the towel?