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Desert storm concert 1974

Wed Jun 22, 2005 4:29 pm

Thanks to a fellow fan who kindly sent me a copy of this concert.

I have just quickly played it (i am at work)

and i can't believe EP introduces Priscilla, then his daughter Lisa then his girlfriend Sheila to the audience then he rambles on why him and Priscilla spilt up and discusses the settlement. All very personal stuff.

Was the audiences stratching their heads at this point? Wondering what was going on.

I just think that it is very sad.

xjx :(

i know that it has been said a MILLION times before but couldn't have taken the responsibilty and not let EP do the gigs???

I know that it was up to EP to take responsibilty for himself but surely when it came to the gigs couldn't have someone have stopped him going out on stage???

Wed Jun 22, 2005 5:42 pm

And who do you think could have stopped Elvis from doing something that he wanted or felt obliged that he had to do?
Vernon?
Parker?

Wed Jun 22, 2005 6:14 pm

Liverbobs wrote:And who do you think could have stopped Elvis from doing something that he wanted or felt obliged that he had to do?
Vernon?
Parker?


i know what you are saying. i aggree with you.

it is just hindsight is such a wonderful thing.

what is it they say in the film 'spinal tap'?: 'Too much f**king perspective now."

Re: Desert storm concert 1974

Thu Jun 23, 2005 4:07 am

julieannbabe wrote:Thanks to a fellow fan who kindly sent me a copy of this concert.

I have just quickly played it (i am at work)

and i can't believe EP introduces Priscilla, then his daughter Lisa then his girlfriend Sheila to the audience then he rambles on why him and Priscilla spilt up and discusses the settlement. All very personal stuff.

Was the audiences stratching their heads at this point? Wondering what was going on.

I just think that it is very sad.

xjx :(

i know that it has been said a MILLION times before but couldn't have taken the responsibilty and not let EP do the gigs???

I know that it was up to EP to take responsibilty for himself but surely when it came to the gigs couldn't have someone have stopped him going out on stage???


Just the portion of what I heard presents an entirely different and most unappealing perspective of EP. It's amazing that no one stepped in; what the fans should have done was walk out.

Thu Jun 23, 2005 4:08 am

julieannbabe wrote:
Liverbobs wrote:And who do you think could have stopped Elvis from doing something that he wanted or felt obliged that he had to do?
Vernon?
Parker?


As a grown man, he "should" have had the great good sense not to air the dirty laundry and do something so offensive and uncomfortable for fans who'd paid a lot of money to see him and hear him sing.

Thu Jun 23, 2005 4:11 am

quasar3 wrote:
julieannbabe wrote:
Liverbobs wrote:And who do you think could have stopped Elvis from doing something that he wanted or felt obliged that he had to do?
Vernon?
Parker?


As a grown man, he "should" have had the great good sense not to air the dirty laundry and do something so offensive and uncomfortable for fans who'd paid a lot of money to see him and hear him sing.



you must be one special human being to judge someone 30 yrs after the fact who has given so much to so many.

Thu Jun 23, 2005 4:40 am

It's ok to write trashy books like "Elvis and Me" but not to talk about an aspect of your life to your fans?
I guess he wanted to put the record straight and get things off his chest. His fans' were the only ones to give him unconditional love and he felt comfortable telling them these things. The guy was lonely and depressed for the last 5 years of his life and he still went out and performed. Under the circumstances I'm surprised how much he kept his feelings bottled up during hundereds of concerts. It is easy to judge after 30 years. I can not fathom what it must have been like to be the world's greatest entertainer trying to live up to an image and at the same time deal with one's own loneliness, depression, illnesses and addictions.

Re: Desert storm concert 1974

Thu Jun 23, 2005 4:55 am

julieannbabe wrote: Was the audiences stratching their heads at this point? Wondering what was going on.

I just think that it is very sad.

xjx :(

i know that it has been said a MILLION times before but couldn't have taken the responsibilty and not let EP do the gigs???

I know that it was up to EP to take responsibilty for himself but surely when it came to the gigs couldn't have someone have stopped him going out on stage???


Elvis turns to the Dark Side. September 1974.

He HATED being in Las Vegas by this point.
He resented the Hilton Hotel staff and their rumors and gossip about him being "strung out".

Elvis disapproved of his stupid old geezer gambling manager sitting on his fat butt in the casino 24/7 putting concert money right back into the casino.

If Parker loses and owes half-a-mil to the casino, so what! My boy Elvis will play 10 more shows to recoup that. Elvis discovered that $$$ cycle and was angry.

I suspect Elvis did not even respect or appreciate the Vegas audience anymore.
He even insulted them at the end of that show regarding his jewelry and spending power. He even makes a smartass comment at them.
But most were probably too drunk on cocktails to notice.

Vegas accomplished something no other city could do...
bring out the WORST in Elvis, and push him to the boiling point on stage.

Moral of the story:
After '73 at the latest. Elvis should not have played Las Vegas anymore.
No more.
To hell with the Colonel who loves those casinos.
Elvis shouldn't go back there for those insipid prime-time line-up one-hour dinner shows for sake of his own sanity and temperment.
And sake of his own creativity.

At the Hilton, Elvis can't jam a long time and turn it into a 2 hour show or 3 hour marathon of music (he can't pull a "springsteen")
because the Hilton showroom has a 9pm show.
So at 8:59 Elvis must stop.
It's time for the jugglers and magicians.

But at 12am, Elvis will be back out.
To play until 12:59.

Colonel Parker got what he wanted.
He turned Elvis into a regularly-scheduled carnival midway act.

(His first attempt at putting Elvis in Vegas was April-May '56)
This is what Parker wanted from the get-go.

Even after the 1973 commercial success of Aloha, and its worldwide critical acclaim and its #1 album...

Elvis went right back to that Hilton showroom "be sure to tip your waitress" stage act crap.

And sadly allowed this redundant gig to continue, belittling his own image and drawing power and artistic priorities.

And by the Fall of '74 he had enough.

He snapped.
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Thu Jun 23, 2005 5:11 am

quasar3 wrote:
julieannbabe wrote:
Liverbobs wrote:And who do you think could have stopped Elvis from doing something that he wanted or felt obliged that he had to do?
Vernon?
Parker?


As a grown man, he "should" have had the great good sense not to air the dirty laundry and do something so offensive and uncomfortable for fans who'd paid a lot of money to see him and hear him sing.


And he did have the good sense not to do that in general, but the man was high as a kite and lost control over what it was appropriate to say and do. Sad, but true. The season had started off in a promising fashion, with the new line up of songs and it's amazing to hear the contrast between the opening show and that show. I wonder what happened in those weeks to prompt such a turnaround.

Thu Jun 23, 2005 5:24 am

Kylan wrote:you must be one special human being to judge someone 30 yrs after the fact who has given so much to so many.


Yep.
:lol:

Thu Jun 23, 2005 5:26 am

TJ wrote:And he did have the good sense not to do that in general, but the man was high as a kite and lost control over what it was appropriate to say and do. Sad, but true. The season had started off in a promising fashion, with the new line up of songs and it's amazing to hear the contrast between the opening show and that show. I wonder what happened in those weeks to prompt such a turnaround.


And that's all the more reason why someone should have stepped in to stop him. All the stories that have come out over the years about what was REALLY going on, stresses all the more the point that no one around him seemed to care enough. And he cared least of all.

Thu Jun 23, 2005 5:31 am

My disdain for Elvis doing Vegas so much has an irony.

Most of the soundboard we have to hear and enjoy (or critique) are Vegas recordings.

I met a woman in Memphis one time who impressed with the fact she saw Elvis play live 46 times.
That is so cool. I do wish I saw him 46 times.

But translate that number into = she was in Vegas for 2 weeks straight while Elvis was. that's approx. 28 shows there.

And later, a return visit for the remainder of shows she attended.

Thu Jun 23, 2005 7:33 am

quasar3 wrote:And that's all the more reason why someone should have stepped in to stop him.


And who might that be? Lamar? Vernon? Conrad? Linda?

Hardly.

Thu Jun 23, 2005 8:09 am

This whole thread is like propaganda. It makes it out to be 10 times worse than it sounds like on the cd. Perhaps I am jaded or whatever, but it doesn't seem so bad to me. Besides if you arn't there to see the expressions on his face, then an audio can be somewhat deceptive.
Who on earth is going to stop Elvis in the middle of a show? Maybe he was acting out, to push the envelope so that the hotel would fire him? Then he wouldn't have to be there.

Life goes in ways that sometimes it feels like we have no control. Perhaps Elvis felt that he had lost control and didn't know how to get back on track. I still think vocally he is very good here. The choice of material is good too. But there is always so much critism of every show. He talks to much. He talks too little. He's getting old. He's sings too many old songs. He doesn't sing enough of the oldies. Man, he had the pressure. And in Las vegas, if he cancels, he knows people came in from all over the world. Pressure.

If I was him, I surely would have told everyone to F*** Off. I bet he just got tired of hearing all the crap that was going on all the time. I think its amazing that he didn't speak out more often while on stage. Perhaps he should have went on the tonight show, or Phil Donahue show to speak out. So many shoulda coulda's in Elvis's life.

Thu Jun 23, 2005 12:16 pm

Kylan wrote:
quasar3 wrote:
julieannbabe wrote:
Liverbobs wrote:And who do you think could have stopped Elvis from doing something that he wanted or felt obliged that he had to do?
Vernon?
Parker?


As a grown man, he "should" have had the great good sense not to air the dirty laundry and do something so offensive and uncomfortable for fans who'd paid a lot of money to see him and hear him sing.



you must be one special human being to judge someone 30 yrs after the fact who has given so much to so many.



i would never judge EP. I love him unconditionally.

It is just this concert is very upsetting. :cry:

Thu Jun 23, 2005 12:18 pm

Abbi wrote:It's ok to write trashy books like "Elvis and Me" but not to talk about an aspect of your life to your fans?
I guess he wanted to put the record straight and get things off his chest. His fans' were the only ones to give him unconditional love and he felt comfortable telling them these things. The guy was lonely and depressed for the last 5 years of his life and he still went out and performed. Under the circumstances I'm surprised how much he kept his feelings bottled up during hundereds of concerts. It is easy to judge after 30 years. I can not fathom what it must have been like to be the world's greatest entertainer trying to live up to an image and at the same time deal with one's own loneliness, depression, illnesses and addictions.


no i don't think that it was okay for the 'trashy' book 'Elvis and me' to be published.

Thu Jun 23, 2005 12:23 pm

The problem was, like Elvis mentioned in an interview, that so many people and families depended on him that he could not take a long break.
Also the thing Elvis liked best was being on stage.

Thu Jun 23, 2005 4:36 pm

I only wish that a true and caring manager had stepped in at this point and showed Elvis the bad deal he now had with the Colonel in 1974. For example, when Elvis had fired him the year before, the Colonel gave him a bill for several million dollars and Elvis couldn't buy him out. I only wish a fellow entertainer or manager had shown Elvis he could get out and offered to help him leave Parker.

I am sure Sinatra or a fellow star could have backed Elvis with money and gotten him out of the Parker grind. Just imagine if Elvis paid off Parker and left, then Parker would have crapped his pants, becasue now his gambling debts would have been due and his meal ticket would be gone.

Thu Jun 23, 2005 5:34 pm

Elvis had many "friends". Did these guys not make Elvis any wiser about the business side? Several were involved with showbizz somehow!

Thu Jun 23, 2005 5:47 pm

Do you really think Elvis would have asked other stars for their money?
Did he trust any celebrity?
Did he ever ask any of these Hollywod people for their advice on how to get out of the Parker grind, the Vegas contracts, the film contracts, their opinion, anything?

I'd love to picture that, but I can't, because of the known fact that Elvis kept to himself in Los Angeles. He didn't call up say Cary Grant and asked the seasoned pro for advice or help. He could have, but he didn't. Was he too shy? Was it his ego? Was he too embarrassed? I guess we will never know. The story goes that Frank Sinatra wanted to help him stop the publication of EWH. He never accepted the offer.

And don't count on his "friend" Tom Jones to mention anything at all. He himself has said in an interview that Elvis should have gone out more and met other people.
Heck why didn't you tell him so? Afraid he would dump you?

Thu Jun 23, 2005 5:50 pm

Mike C wrote:For example, when Elvis had fired him the year before, the Colonel gave him a bill for several million dollars and Elvis couldn't buy him out.

Oh to have seen that bill! :D

I'd say it's a safe bet that Elvis only discussed the bill with Vernon who's hardly qualified to judge it's merits. Had Elvis shown it to his Lawyer I expect it would have been a different story. It's difficult to see how a manager who is on an absurd 50/50 deal with his client can convince a court that his client owes him millions!

Isn't it usually the artist who sues their manager?? Another Parker first. :shock:

Thu Jun 23, 2005 5:59 pm

What was on that bill ?

Elvis had a lawyer who didn't work with/for Parker? :shock:

Thu Jun 23, 2005 7:11 pm

ekenee wrote:I still think vocally he is very good here.


I can't agree with that. He oversings almost everything, in a really bizarre fashion. Many of the songs just aren't allowed to breathe because of unnecessary additional vocal fill ins. American Trilogy is an utter shambles compared to what had gone before.

Re: Desert storm concert 1974

Thu Jun 23, 2005 8:18 pm

The thing about this CD that I love is the fact that he lets his guard down of being a closed rockstar and just gets very personal about things.......for a man who didn't do that much interviews in his later years, that is very interesting IMO

Fri Jun 24, 2005 12:44 am

ekenee wrote:This whole thread is like propaganda. It makes it out to be 10 times worse than it sounds like on the cd. Perhaps I am jaded or whatever, but it doesn't seem so bad to me. Besides if you arn't there to see the expressions on his face, then an audio can be somewhat deceptive.
Who on earth is going to stop Elvis in the middle of a show? Maybe he was acting out, to push the envelope so that the hotel would fire him? Then he wouldn't have to be there.

Life goes in ways that sometimes it feels like we have no control. Perhaps Elvis felt that he had lost control and didn't know how to get back on track. I still think vocally he is very good here. The choice of material is good too. But there is always so much critism of every show. He talks to much. He talks too little. He's getting old. He's sings too many old songs. He doesn't sing enough of the oldies. Man, he had the pressure. And in Las vegas, if he cancels, he knows people came in from all over the world. Pressure.

If I was him, I surely would have told everyone to F*** Off. I bet he just got tired of hearing all the crap that was going on all the time. I think its amazing that he didn't speak out more often while on stage. Perhaps he should have went on the tonight show, or Phil Donahue show to speak out. So many shoulda coulda's in Elvis's life.


My sentiments Exactly!

When I first listened this concert, 5 years ago, I didnt understand what the commontion is all about. Sure, we came to see a different side of Elvis, but are we so fragile to be scared with his outburst? Com´on people! The man had a bad day and the pressure must have got in his nerve. He just had worked a new repertoire and some stupid block in the audience shouts: Hound Dog! Everyone is entitled to a bad day or two.
Theres nothing wrong with it. To me, the " I´ll Put your goddam tongue out by the roots!" comment is one of the Rockiest momments of all time.
Plus, he sings fine.