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Influences

Tue Jun 21, 2005 7:38 am

Do you consider any one individual to have been THE most influential person in EP's life?

Or were there many?

Or none?

Tue Jun 21, 2005 9:16 am

When discussing the influence an individual has within a person's life you have to consider the difference that person would have made had they been there or not been there.

Between 1959 - 1977 Gladys had a devastating effect on Elvis' life because she wasn't there.

Between 1959 - 1977 Colonel Parker had a devastating effect on Elvis' life because he was!

Tue Jun 21, 2005 10:56 am

No and yes in that order.

Tue Jun 21, 2005 1:38 pm

Gladys and Priscila.....
Unfortunately Gladys was gone too early and it was a shock!
Then Priscila leaves him, another GREAT shock!

Thu Jun 23, 2005 5:33 am

carolynlm wrote:Gladys


Influential positively or negatively?

Thu Jun 23, 2005 7:23 am

quasar3 wrote:
carolynlm wrote:Gladys


Influential positively or negatively?


She must've been a wonderful influence on the young Elvis. All accounts portray the pre '58 Elvis as a wonderful, charismatic , humble human being with simple pleasures in life.... he sure as heck didn't get his sunny disposition from Vernon or the outlaw relatives.

I understand the negative reference, though. Had Gladys not been so overprotective, would Elvis have had more self confidence to stand up to those who would later end up harming him? Interesting perspective, and what might've happened to Elvis had Gladys lived into her seventies? One things for certain ... Glady's would've convinced Elvis to fire Parker during the 60's, and she would never have allowed her son to become an ill gravy train, working his ass off to feed a network of sycophants and to feed his own excess ... mother and son fought like cats and dogs about far lesser things.

Sat Jun 25, 2005 6:21 am

TCB TED wrote:She must've been a wonderful influence on the young Elvis. All accounts portray the pre '58 Elvis as a wonderful, charismatic , humble human being with simple pleasures in life.... he sure as heck didn't get his sunny disposition from Vernon or the outlaw relatives.


Well, you are correct about Vernon, a sour, apathetic coot, and the classless, no-good relatives.

TCB TED wrote:I understand the negative reference, though. Had Gladys not been so overprotective, would Elvis have had more self confidence to stand up to those who would later end up harming him? Interesting perspective, and what might've happened to Elvis had Gladys lived into her seventies? One things for certain ... Glady's would've convinced Elvis to fire Parker during the 60's, and she would never have allowed her son to become an ill gravy train, working his ass off to feed a network of sycophants and to feed his own excess ... mother and son fought like cats and dogs about far lesser things.


I think Gladys likely did EP more harm than good; from all accounts, she was a whining, yes, overly protective woman, and was probably foundationally responsible for EP never having completely evolved into a secure man.

In that rubbish movie on CBS recently, there was only one line that I found interesting, and I do not myself know if it was actually said, but likely may have been - Gladys said to Elvis something to the effect that "people like us aren't meant to be happy" - that's not verbatim, but you get the gist.

I think that analysis was absolutely true about her - and about Elvis.

Sometimes, no matter the amount of success or wealth, position or power one may have - it just isn't enough . . . it just isn't what's needed most of all.

Sat Jun 25, 2005 11:35 am

Quasar3 should read "Elvis and Gladys" instead of propaganda by former hired helps.

Sat Jun 25, 2005 12:38 pm

quasar3 wrote:I think Gladys likely did EP more harm than good; from all accounts, she was a whining, yes, overly protective woman, and was probably foundationally responsible for EP never having completely evolved into a secure man.

"All accounts"? You need to educate yourself a bit more about Elvis Presley, let alone his mother, before drawing such ignorant conclusions.

DJC

Sun Jun 26, 2005 1:28 am

carolynlm wrote:quasar3,
Are you sure you are on the right message board? I don't think in any of your posts, you have said anything positive about Elvis.


Then you clearly haven't the ability to read between the lines.

You don't like his mother, you don't like his father.......


You don't care an iota about the man if you "really" believe that a critic of the whining mother and the apathetic father equate to being "anti-EP."


did you know them personally?

Somewhat.

I really think you are just trying to get a rise out of us.......


I couldn't care less, but remember that the reactions of fanatics only reinforce the well-known notion that the majority of EP's fans are non-discerning clods who will defend him without logic.

Sun Jun 26, 2005 1:30 am

Luuk wrote:Quasar3 should read "Elvis and Gladys" instead of propaganda by former hired helps.


Only EP book ever read was the West/Hebler saga.
Some of us don't have to rely on written tales to know the truth about EP.

Sun Jun 26, 2005 1:33 am

drjohncarpenter wrote:"All accounts"? You need to educate yourself a bit more about Elvis Presley, let alone his mother, before drawing such ignorant conclusions.

DJC


Your scope really is narrow, isn't it? :lol:

It's amusing to sit back and read all the "truths" and "knowledge" on this forum.

Interesting to think who may read this forum - or post.

Sun Jun 26, 2005 1:37 am

Is there a row going on?

quasar3...

You stick to your guns...the ones on this thread no sod all about EP...you want to no everything and anything on the memphis boy.

You look up curtis.

Sun Jun 26, 2005 1:46 am

Quasar3. You seem to suggest that you knew the entire Presley family personally. If so then your impressions of them seem at odds with everyone else who knew them (or at least all those who have written about them). So how come you havent written your own book?

Sun Jun 26, 2005 1:58 am

quasar3 wrote:
drjohncarpenter wrote:"All accounts"? You need to educate yourself a bit more about Elvis Presley, let alone his mother, before drawing such ignorant conclusions.

DJC


Your scope really is narrow, isn't it? :lol:

It's amusing to sit back and read all the "truths" and "knowledge" on this forum.

Interesting to think who may read this forum - or post.


hey guys, I think Fike has found this board and decided to pass the time away getting better by pissing off all us fanatics! :lol:

Sun Jun 26, 2005 2:07 am

The Doc is, from what I know, an accredited historian, and he has got a great knowledge of things. I would suggest to not take everything he writes so personal. If someone does not specialise in human warmth it doesn't mean he's a bad guy :wink:

Or maybe I did just classify myself as a typical proletary in the DOC's point of view :P

Sun Jun 26, 2005 3:06 am

quasar3 wrote:
drjohncarpenter wrote:"All accounts"? You need to educate yourself a bit more about Elvis Presley, let alone his mother, before drawing such ignorant conclusions.

DJC


Your scope really is narrow, isn't it? :lol:

It's amusing to sit back and read all the "truths" and "knowledge" on this forum.

Interesting to think who may read this forum - or post.


Thomas wrote:The Doc is, from what I know, an accredited historian, and he has got a great knowledge of things. I would suggest to not take everything he writes so personal. If someone does not specialise in human warmth it doesn't mean he's a bad guy :wink:

Or maybe I did just classify myself as a typical proletary in the DOC's point of view :P

The Doc is a great credit to this board, but he sometimes has to learn how to say sorry, or eat humble pie, when he (sometimes!) get's things wrong :roll:

I don't think he's wrong in this case though!

Sun Jun 26, 2005 3:14 am

quasar3 wrote:
Luuk wrote:Quasar3 should read "Elvis and Gladys" instead of propaganda by former hired helps.


Only EP book ever read was the West/Hebler saga.
Some of us don't have to rely on written tales to know the truth about EP.


Well rather than being cryptic about who you are and how you knew Elvis or his family, why don't you tell us? I realise most people don't present their full credentials on messageboards, but most don't claim to have known the Presley family. Maybe some info on how you knew them, if not wanting to share your name?

Sun Jun 26, 2005 3:51 am

bray1977 wrote:Quasar3. You seem to suggest that you knew the entire Presley family personally. If so then your impressions of them seem at odds with everyone else who knew them (or at least all those who have written about them). So how come you havent written your own book?


Certainly you don't believe everything you hear and read . . . ?
The books are insignificant, I say. Give them no validity.

Just know that those who are most in the spotlight are the least credible.

Sun Jun 26, 2005 3:53 am

Kylan wrote:hey guys, I think Fike has found this board and decided to pass the time away getting better by pissing off all us fanatics! :lol:



Typically predictable reply.

Sun Jun 26, 2005 3:57 am

Thomas wrote:The Doc is, from what I know, an accredited historian, and he has got a great knowledge of things. I would suggest to not take everything he writes so personal. If someone does not specialise in human warmth it doesn't mean he's a bad guy


"Historians" are a dime a dozen.

Nothing personal about it - this forum isn't about me or you or other posters - it's about EP . . . isn't it?

(Consider that there were a good number of "insiders" who really were not, and yet would have the general, gullible public believe otherwise.)

Sun Jun 26, 2005 4:05 am

Keith F wrote:The Doc is a great credit to this board, but he sometimes has to learn how to say sorry, or eat humble pie, when he (sometimes!) get's things wrong :roll:

I don't think he's wrong in this case though!


Well then, if that's what you think, then that's what you think.

But you could be wrong.
Maybe not . . . but perhaps.


:wink:

Sun Jun 26, 2005 4:07 am

TJ wrote:Well rather than being cryptic about who you are and how you knew Elvis or his family, why don't you tell us? I realise most people don't present their full credentials on messageboards, but most don't claim to have known the Presley family. Maybe some info on how you knew them, if not wanting to share your name?


That's not important; the overall message, for EP's benefit, is.

Sun Jun 26, 2005 4:33 am

Wow how predictable!

Sun Jun 26, 2005 11:11 am

That's why I will never be an Insider - much to exhausting. :wink: All I really wanna do is collect every EP show that is on tape out there, and at the end listen to them chronologically ...

(Consider that there were a good number of "insiders" who really were not, and yet would have the general, gullible public believe otherwise.)


You wrong the Doc. He never claimed to be an Insider. And from what I read from him in different forums, his contributions are always well considered.

But lets stop discussing about other people now. Sorry Doc, I didn't want to make you the subject.