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BMG Company Statement on Copy Control

Thu Jun 05, 2003 5:00 pm

Downloading and burning erodes music sales!

World music sales for the year 2001 fell by 5% in value and by 6,5% in
units. Europe fell slightly by 0,8% in value and saw a drop in units sold of
2,2%. In the world’s major markets - including the US and many parts of
Western Europe - this decline is attributed to a large extent to unauthorised
CD-R copying. Two years ago, on a worldwide basis, one digital copy was
made for every three music CDs sold. Last year, that ratio had shrunk
dramatically to one-to-two. In 2001, for every CD album sold, one copy was
burned. That amounts to around 2.5 billion CDs a year. At these levels of
massive copying and piracy, huge damage is being done to legitimate
recorded music sales.

Who is affected?

BMG too sees itself obliged to protect future releases by
implementing a copy control system. In the long term, massive copying
deprives music-makers of their very livelihood. It is theft of the
intellectual property of musicians, authors and composers. New trends
and talents can only emerge if music is bought and the proceeds from sales of
existing music can be invested in the development of new music.

What needs to be done?

Given this background, BMG will be using copy control technology for digital
media as has been used for a long time with comparable media such as
computer software, video games and DVDs. Until now, the technological
possibility to protect music discs from being copied with a CD burner did
not exist. In the meantime, this has changed. Various internationally
available copy protection processes are currently being examined in
cooperation with Sonopress, tested in comprehensive test series and
continuously updated to state-of-the-art technology.

Copy protection is important!

BMG attaches great importance to assuring that the copy protection used
does not lead to restrictions for consumers with respect to listening
pleasure. Those who play back their purchased product on a standard
home CD Audio player will not notice any difference at all. The usual
functions are preserved and the sound quality is not influenced in any way.
BMG is in constant discussion with consumers and technology providers in
order to guarantee an optimum solution and the best playability on as
many devices as possible.

Thu Jun 05, 2003 5:04 pm

We should still be able to make a back up copy for our own personal use, to keep the original in mint condition.



:shock:

Thu Jun 05, 2003 5:43 pm

Ummm the problem is this. It isn't cd burning it is DVD's that have ate up the cd market. If BMG was smart they would release more Elvis DVD collection of his music. They could make a ton of money. I mean they have tons of music, just put it out in bulk!!! It would kill the imports and make them a lot of money. Plus it would give Elvis credibility. In the DVD age, there is no excuse for not cashing in. People are buying, it is time they start using their head. In the age of complete seasons and so forth I believe it would sell and actually set a standard. DVD is the future, the sales prove that!!

Copy protection is a laugh, if you put out good products people will buy. Maybe people aren't buying as much as they used to. WAH WAH McDonalds and Walmart stock has gone down too. I feel sorry for them as well. lol

P.s. I am really crying...lower your prices. Cd's cost how much to manufacture. Why did they cost so much. If you guys are hurting that bad then lower the prices!!!!! I see tons of cd's starting out at 20 dollars, that is more then a lot of full length wide screen movies on DVD!!!

Thu Jun 05, 2003 5:49 pm

You're right again genesim. I tried to make this point about DVD's being the reason for the demise of CD sales ages ago. I just had to look at my collecting to see I wasn't buying much in the way of Cds anymore and spending heaps on DVDs. DVD's are selling like hot pancakes, everyones buying them and it's taking up money that would have been spent on CDs.

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Thu Jun 05, 2003 6:21 pm

It is beyond doubt that CD copying has decreased sales. Who, hand on heart now, has not downloaded from Napster,Kazaa etc.

But the decreased amount of new product has also played a part as all artists release less and less material per year. If it's not out there - you can't buy it.

Lifestyle changes are also relevant - more 12 year old boys would rather spend money on a Playstation game than music.

A large amount has been diverted to DVD - but this will settle down in time. I mean how many copies of the Matrix do you need.

The same alarm bells for the industry was brought about by the humble cassette - people will copy LP's onto cassette shrieked the industry at the time. But the comparatively low cost of the LP aborted their concerns.

If the cost of CD's were brought down to a cost of no more than, say, $10.00 then the benefits of copying would not be so great. After all with a puchased CD you get a booklet.

Notice how the suggested prices of CD's have increased over the last 12 months? This is so that when DVD A and SACD flood the market the consumer will be lead to believe that they might as well buy the High Definition version as the cost is much the same as a regular CD. That benefits the majors in that they all have a financial stake in selling SACD and DAD A hardware. And they get to sell the back catalog all over again.


Look at the product the majors produce - very little now appeals to adults - they have shrunk the market to a very narrow teenage - virtually sub-teen area. And these kids have limited funds.

And finally the Wal Marts of the world have by only stocking the top 200 have killed off the mom and pop stores to such an extent that an adult wishing to make a hobby of music collecting beyond the the top 200 is forced to download.

The industry needs to take a long inward look.

No matter what copy protection RCA etc impose - someone will produce software to hack it.

And if all else fails - you just play the Cd on your CD player and pipe it through to your computer and record it. There is a slight, very slight drop in quality but , hey, still beats a scratchy 45 any day :!:

RCA announced a few weeks ago that they were committed to DVD A and not SACD and releases will soon start to appear.

Thu Jun 05, 2003 6:22 pm

The industry usually takes the blame approach as a reason why their sales decline. (Recording blank cassettes didn't seem to hurt the industry back in the 70s and 80s). I wouldn't doubt the internet has hurt the sales but I don't think the type of product being put out helps either. There doesn't seem to be an investment into sustaining a group for longetivity...promotion focuses on the quick and immediate selling of an artist/entertainer/movie.

I agree with the argument that DVDs are the main cause in the decline of CD sales. I used to buy tons of CDs but I don't buy them much anymore. Music sounds much better on DVDs. For example, I just bought the Roger Waters DVD of his recent concert tour for $15.99. That includes the visual aspect of the concert and the surround-sound. In contrast, the 2-CD set cost $24.99 with no visuals (beyond the booklet) or surround sound. (Both contain the same songs.) Ditto with Paul McCartney's recent Back In the USA DVD (I think some songs are different from the CD, though), Jimi Hendrix Isle of Wight, Woodstock DVDs, etc.

I just bought the Girls! Girls! Girls! DVD because of the chance to hear the music in that format.

It's not the internet hurting CD sales. The industry itself is doing that.

Thu Jun 05, 2003 6:27 pm

Good points KiwiAlan, and ronnyg.



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Thu Jun 05, 2003 6:43 pm

Watch it Ronny G, they are people on this board that are dead set against DOLBY DIGITAL(throwing out Spacial separation all together) and DTS.

I for one love DVD's and can't believe more people aren't cashing in. The music world could benefit from the possibilities. When I get a DVD burner you can bet that I am gonna make Elvis MP3's to the max. It is going to be so cool to have say 1 disc with all the masters!!!

Where Have All the CDs Gone?

Thu Jun 05, 2003 9:33 pm

The record industry blames piracy and downloading for sagging sales — here's the whole story.
By James K. Willcox


Source: http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/articl ... cle_id=453


Turn on the radio and chances are you’ll hear a top-selling song from a rock, country, or hip-hop artist. But stroll through the offices of almost any major record label and you’ll hear an entirely different kind of music: the blues. After nearly a decade of unfettered growth, music sales are down for the second year in a row. And if the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA) is to be believed, downloads and piracy are the verse and the chorus of the music industry’s current sad song.

By the Numbers

Placing the blame for declining sales on downloads and peer-to-peer file-sharing networks would appear to make sense. After all, just a few years ago, when downloading was still relegated to a few students in dorm rooms, recorded-music sales were booming. Since 2000, however, sales have been falling while activity on file-sharing networks has exploded — and the RIAA believes that’s no coincidence. Although music-industry lawsuits effectively neutered early file-sharing networks like Napster and Aimster, others — like KaZaA, WinMX, and iMesh — have popped up in whack-a-mole fashion, leading many to believe the genie is already out of the bottle and can no longer be contained. KaZaA, for example, now boasts more than 200 million users, and traffic across all file-sharing sites has reached over three billion music downloads each month.

So it’s not surprising that the record industry sees downloading as the main cause of its ills. In a report issued last August, the RIAA placed the blame for the slump squarely on the shoulders of those who trade ripped files of copyrighted songs. The organization cited a survey, conducted last May by Peter D. Hart Research Associates, it said provided “the strongest evidence to date” that downloading is displacing sales.

In the survey of 860 Internet-connected music consumers between 12 and 54, those who downloaded more and bought fewer CDs outnumbered those who both downloaded and purchased more CDs by two to one. While conceding that things like the overall decline in consumer spending could be playing a role, RIAA president Cary Sherman called downloading “the main culprit” in the drop in sales, adding that “this data should dispel any notion that illegal file sharing helps the music industry.” Sherman also noted the dramatic rise in the number of people who’ve “acquired” burned CDs, although it wasn’t clear whether “acquired” meant “purchased” or “received from a friend.”

The RIAA also said that the total value of music shipments for all formats had fallen from a high of nearly $14.6 billion in 1999 to $12.6 billion in 2002. The number of CDs, cassettes, LPs, and so on shipped from warehouses fell 10.3% in 2001 and 11.2% in 2002. CD sales, by far the largest category in the statistics, dropped 6.4% in 2001 and almost 9% in 2002. These statistics for units shipped jibe with those from Nielsen SoundScan, which tracks actual retail sales. SoundScan reports that CD sales, which made up 94% of music sales in 2002, declined 8.7% that year.

New Math

While few dispute the numbers, some, such as George Ziemann, are challenging the RIAA’s inferences from them. Ziemann, an Arizona-based musician and owner of MacWizards, a music production company, was propelled into the debate when he wasn’t able to sell his band’s CDs via online auctions on sites such as eBay, Amazon, and Yahoo because they were burned on recordable CD-Rs. Ziemann says he was told that because CD-Rs are often used to record pirated material, they’re banned on many auction sites as a result of the RIAA’s antipiracy efforts (eBay allows CD-R sales if the seller stipulates he owns the copyright).

As a result of that experience, Ziemann researched the RIAA’s figures and came to very different conclusions, released in a much-circulated article, “The RIAA’s Statistics Don’t Add Up,” posted on his Web site (azoz.com). He makes two key assertions: 1) that the labels raised CD prices during a down economy, and 2) that they slashed the number of new releases by almost 25% during the past three years. He says that these factors, and not downloading, are responsible for sluggish CD sales.

To arrive at the first conclusion, Ziemann took the RIAA’s numbers for the retail value of CDs sold and divided it by the units shipped to determine an average CD price. He found that prices have steadily increased, from an average of $12.05 in 1990 to $14.23 in 2001. Although the numbers for 2002 weren’t available when Ziemann did his analysis, using the same formula we determined that the average CD price reached $14.99 in 2002. But when you exclude the promotionally priced CDs sold through record clubs or nonmusic stores like Starbucks and The Gap, the average price rose from $14.31 in 1998 to $17.09 in 2002.

Ziemann supports his contention that labels are releasing fewer new CD titles by using the RIAA’s market data through 1999 — it inexplicably stopped issuing these numbers in 2000. Combining this with an RIAA press release entitled “The Value of a CD” that said 27,000 new releases hit the market each year, he constructed a graph showing that releases fell 25% over two years, from a high of 38,900 in 1999 to 27,000 in 2001. SoundScan’s numbers show new releases falling from 38,857 in 1999 to 31,734 in 2001, a 20% drop. Although its latest figures show releases increasing to 33,443 in 2002, that is still 14% below 1999’s peak number.

In Ziemann’s assessment, the combination of fewer releases and higher prices — not free downloads — caused sales to slump. His argument is bolstered by Josh Bernoff, an analyst at Forrester Research, who pointed out in a report issued last August that this isn’t the first time booming CD sales have plunged. For instance, during the recession in 1991 — long before anyone even knew what a download was — CD sales growth fell from 15% to 4%. When you consider that the country’s gross domestic product (GDP) declined 36% in 2002 and the S&P 500 dropped an equally depressing 28.78% during the same period, the recent 9% decline in sales doesn’t seem so dramatic — particularly for a format that’s been around for 20 years.

New Kids in Town

The RIAA could be ignoring other factors that are having a negative effect on CD sales. Bernoff argues that growing competition from other forms of entertainment, such as DVD players and videogames, and the consolidation of radio-station ownership are having a much more deleterious effect on sales than downloads. For example, people in the U.S. spent almost $7 billion on video and computer games in 2002, and more than one-third of all U.S. homes now have a DVD player. Given that the price difference between many top-selling CDs and DVDs is just a few dollars, it’s not hard to imagine many people opting for a sexier, newer format that offers not just music, but a movie in multiple formats that can include directors’ cuts, commentaries, and other bonuses.

Perhaps even more significant, the consolidation in radio has resulted in Clear Channel Communications controlling 60% of the rock radio stations in the U.S. That means listeners are exposed to more homogenized playlists, so fewer artists get exposure, and listeners hear a narrower selection of songs. Also, radio promotion — where labels pay promoters to get stations to play certain songs — has become too expensive for all but the major labels. As a result, mainstream radio rarely plays music from emerging artists signed to small or midsize labels. Even MTV plays fewer and fewer music videos. So people are turning to the Internet as the primary medium through which they can discover — and perhaps buy — new music.

Also, consolidation in the music industry, where four of the five major labels are owned by large public corporations, has increased the pressure on music divisions to make “hit” records to meet quarterly earnings expectations. This has resulted in the labels signing fewer bands, paring rosters and staffs, and taking fewer marketing risks. If a new artist’s album doesn’t generate excitement quickly, the label will shift its resources to another project. While many of these artists eventually move to smaller independent labels, these labels tend to lack the money and marketing muscle to generate huge sales numbers and often lack top-shelf distribution and international sales. The result is lower sales for many artists. Consolidation has also contributed to the majors releasing fewer CD titles over the past few years.

Too Little, Too Late?

The RIAA also claims that downloads take money out of musicians’ pockets. But thanks to high-profile suits filed by artists like the Dixie Chicks and Incubus against their labels, fans are becoming aware of record-industry contracts and accounting policies that result in few artists ever making much money from the sale of their music. This might lead to fans feeling less guilty about “stealing” music.

The record industry acknowledges that less than 10% of its artists will “recoup,” or make back, the advances they’re given when they sign a recording contract. In fact, rather than worrying about lost sales, many artists view the Internet as their lifeline to attracting new fans. In a recent opinion piece for the Los Angeles Times, Janis Ian, an outspoken proponent of downloading, said that in the six months she’s been offering free downloads of her songs on her Web site, “Thousands of people have downloaded my music . . . and they’re not trying to steal. They’re just looking for music they can no longer find on the tight playlists of their local radio stations. That’s how new artists gain listeners these days — through the Internet.”

That the labels have been painfully slow to adapt to the Internet and the new ways people want to receive music could also be hurting sales. If they want people to migrate from free downloads to paid services, they have to offer subscription services that can not only compete, but add incremental value. There are plenty of examples — from cable TV to bottled water — of people paying for services or items they can get for free. But the labels still seem mired in control issues, which has resulted in lawsuits, draconian legislative initiatives that trample on people’s fair-use rights, and threats of invasive actions against the very people who buy their product.

All of this chest-beating and bullying by the labels has generated lots of ill will. Until recently, hardly anyone even knew what the RIAA was — today, its Web site is hacked and shut down about once a month. When the labels finally launched online ventures, they completely missed the mark with limited catalogs and restrictive digital rights-management schemes that impeded or prevented the things people want to do most: make CD compilations and transfer music to portable MP3 players. More recent online services such as MusicNet and Pressplay are steps in the right direction, but they have to go farther — with things like more attractive pricing and deeper catalogs — to compete with free services.

For instance, the average price of a download is 99¢ a track, so downloading an 18-track CD song by song comes to about $18. While this is only slightly more than the average price of a CD, you’re getting compressed audio and no packaging, and you have to devote time and effort to downloading the music.

That’s not to say that free downloads and file-sharing networks aren’t having an impact on the music business. In fact, given the usage statistics, it’s surprising they aren’t having a bigger impact. But they’re probably not the sole — or even major — cause of the industry’s woes. The irony is that, like other technological advances bitterly fought by the music industry — from player-piano rolls to the audio cassette — the Internet is probably its salvation. Forrester Research predicts that by 2007, 17% of the industry’s revenues, or $2.1 billion, will come from downloads. Jupiter Research’s projections are even rosier.

Recently, it appeared that the music industry might abandon its confrontational approach in favor of more diplomatic solutions. In a keynote speech in March before the National Association of Recording Merchandisers (NARM), retiring RIAA chairwoman Hilary Rosen said the industry needed to focus on buyers: “It’s time to come together. Now is our opportunity to put [consumers’] interests first.” Among the ways the industry could do this, she said, was to meet the demand for music in multiple formats, offer a deeper catalog, and enable people to make compilations “without feeling guilty or like criminals. Fighting piracy is a waste of time if the customer is not served in the legitimate marketplace.”

Such hope, however, turned out to be short-lived. That same week, the RIAA sent letters to 300 U.S. companies complaining about copyrighted materials on their corporate networks, warning, “These acts of infringement could expose your employees and your company to significant legal damages.” Rosen’s yet-to-be-named successor has a tall order to fill: find a way to stop the RIAA from shooting itself in the foot and get the record labels back in the business of effectively distributing their music.

Thu Jun 05, 2003 11:29 pm

'''''BMG attaches great importance to assuring that the copy protection used
does not lead to restrictions for consumers with respect to listening
pleasure.'''''


Aren't we so lucky that Elvis recorded for RCA when we find that the company actual thinks that making CD's that play is important. :lol:

Thu Jun 05, 2003 11:31 pm

Again, its simply DVD's. Look at the numbers, it is the fastest growing technology ever!!!

Thu Jun 05, 2003 11:35 pm

P.S. Lets not forget the fact that music sucks now. How many classics have we had lately? What artists stay around for more then a couple of years? Ohhhh NO we have to blame the small section of population that burn cd's and not the fact that those same people buy tons of CD'S!!!

Fri Jun 06, 2003 5:01 am

Plenty of good points, folks, and I hear them all, but let's face it: it's a business and illegal copying is quite naturally going to be a concern to the record industry as its profits dip. That's what businesses in capitalism do: manipulate and coax more profits out of their cash-cows, be they dead or alive. If they see a negative trend (even a minor one) that affects their bottom line, especially one so easy to identify , you can bet they will be all over it.

Whether it's a 5, 10 or 1% drop-off in sales, they want to stop the copying, which many say is at a new height due to the marked lack of a sound difference since the days of audio cassettes, etc. A whole generation is now becoming accustomed to "free" music. Talk to young people today and you'll find that downloading is rampant in a way taping was never so even five or ten years ago. Care about packaging and artwork? Get real. Music, to many younger consumers, is apparently something that freely comes out of nowhere via computer cables, no muss no fuss. As for what I've seen, record stores in big and bustling cities once crowded on fridays and saturdays have noticeably less traffic -and I find this hard to believe it's just the economy and satiation.

And ask working songwriters and musicians (if not the bogey man "evil empire" recording industry) what they think of "free" music.

To me, though, Elvis is coming up on public domain territory in the U.S., where such laws are being continually extended to protect what in other countries are much more realistic copyright time periods, so I'm not necessarily sympathetic. And we all know the way the "imports" have pushed the "real labels" to get with it and re-issue the rare stuff.

I don't really begrudge the copiers and tapers (hey, who's innocent?) but let's be real about this. They view it as their cookie jar and I can't blame them from a self-interested business standpoint. If I"m to believe the hype, communism died in 1990 or thereabouts anyway. :-)

So copy and boot away, but don't kid yourselves, and certainly don't whine about today's "bad music "(hey, you're preaching to the choir)but it's nothing new, from what I'm told. So at least try to enjoy being a self-styled "bandit."

Fri Jun 06, 2003 6:00 am

The Janis Ian comment gets at the heart of the record industries deepest fears. An age is forseeable now where musicians can get their music to listeners in good sound quality on a one tone basis making the record company expendable.

record biz

Fri Jun 06, 2003 7:19 am

the record biz sales were also dipping back in the 1980's. kids at that point were more interested in the new video games, then purchasing
the latest records.

then in the mid 80's the compact disc saved the industry's a$$.

selling their back catalog in the new format with built-in higher profits,
rescued the bottom line. at the same time, the companies spent less time and money developing new talent.

today its much the same, consumers send more and more on dvd's , video games and other formats, getting more value for their dollar,
then purchasing a full priced compact disc.

so of course, the industry would hope that dvd-audio or super-audio-compact-disc will allow them to once again, sell the same music over
and over again.

and blaming file sharing, for the moment, takes the heat off of the record company heads. industry "leaders" that are so out of touch with their audience.

while purchasing 20 jewel cases at a local mall chain "music" store ,
the 18 year old clerk said "you burn a lot of disc?", that's going to kill the record industry!".
i replied "there is nothing in the top 100 that i even would want to listen to, much less copy!". " the music i put on cd-r, you do not even stock in your store".

Fri Jun 06, 2003 8:14 am

You know what really cracks me up....Sony makes cd/dvd burners....they sell CDr's and DVDr's!!!

The fact is that the biggest acts right now are Eminem and N Sync(ok so maybe they are over..just using them as a example). Their albums sell 20 MILLION!!! I am not going to cry for them. The truth is that music does suck now. There haven't been any viable artists out for a while. The record industry would love to blame the cd pirates, but they forget that it is free promotion. Guess what... the biggest bands don't sell have as much as one blockbuster DVD. Spider-Man sold twice as much as EMINEM who was the top selling artist of the year. Times are changing.

I for one would never burn a official Elvis cd. I buy every single one.

Likethebike brought up a good point. Record companies are getting nervous because they may just be cut out of the business. To me it is different money changing hands. Somebody is profiting. The servers, advertisers..whatever. If the companies are smart, they will get on the ball. Trying to bust people is only going to make the problem worse.

This all reminds me of the POST OFFICE raising the price of stamps because the internet is cutting down on letters being mailed. I say lower the price of stamps, because there is less demand. Same goes for cd's. Want to compete, lower the price and take less profit. Concetrate on quality, and just maybe people might start paying attention again. Supply and demand. Raising prices(or keeping high prices) is unrealistic. Sooner or later the competition will crush you.

The fact is CD's are becoming more and more obsolete. DVD's is the fastest growing recording technology EVER!! The record companies are just killing themselves. LOWER THE FORKING PRICES!!!! Think about how many DVD players are making it to peoples homes in a SHORT period of time. I am betting the numbers are steadily approaching the same number of computers. That is where the sales of cd's are going. The record companies have that to be scared of, not the so called pirates. Cdr's are inferior and most collectors know this. If you like a band there is no way you are going to settle for photcopied artwork. I have bought plenty, and I refuse to cry over a dying industry, that ripped everybody off for years. 15 to 20 bucks for 1 cd!!!!! Cassetes have always be cheaper and they are more expensive to make!!!

Fri Jun 06, 2003 3:24 pm

re: LiketheBike's comment re: "The Janis Ian comment gets at the heart of the record industries deepest fears. An age is forseeable now where musicians can get their music to listeners in good sound quality on a one tone basis making the record company expendable...."

Yeah, sure, but they "control the means of production" right now and will use the law and courts to maintain this position. If I started minting bogus copies of 2003 Volkswagen Jettas, I can rest assured that VW would come after me, whether it was one or a 1000.

I hear you all on this and a lot of you are rare birds (i.e. "record collectors") who actually buy new Cds, particularly Elvis. But I'm telling you: a lot of people that I know, say under 34) think music should be essentially "free" in effect and that the industry (from high to low: the working musician / songwriter, etc.) is not taking this lightly. I'd bet on Goliath in this fight, not David (you, the lowly-burner / music lover). Hell, like Genesim says, SONY has a hand in both sides, much like the way corporations control both U.S. political parties.

Fri Jun 06, 2003 5:30 pm

Greg,

Goliath winning..yeah right. It is we that made Goliath. People will always copy, that is a fact. I see no end to that. I stick to my comments above..though nice discussion.

They can care all they want, but it isn't really going to change anything.

Fri Jun 06, 2003 5:37 pm

Well, 'Sim, I hear you, but we already have to look at that "sticky" announcement about piracy on top of FECC's mb every day, so it looks like they can throw their weight around.

Yoga Is, As Yoga Does, as it were...

Fri Jun 20, 2003 7:27 pm

BBC wrote:On Tuesday, a US senator said he wanted to develop new technology which would remotely destroy the computers of people who illegally download music tracks.

Senator Orrin Hatch, a Republican representing Utah, asked technology chiefs at a hearing in Washington about whether they could develop ways to damage or destroy the computers, though legal experts argued it would contravene anti-hacking laws.

Fri Jun 20, 2003 7:51 pm

Looking at this logically, downloading a music track isn't stealing the profit from the record label company or the royalty from the artist and the composer, unless the downloader was intending to buy the track in the first place.

I have many downloaded tracks, but I wouldn't have been buying them anyway.

Hearing [and downloading] a track by an artist can spark off an interest which subsequently leads to the purchase of their CD's.

Record companies should put their own houses in order [like the price of CD's] before blaming the internet for their lower sales.

As has been said, the sales of DVD's are soaring.

It is this which is eating into the sales of CD's.

Fri Jun 20, 2003 8:06 pm

The perfect example regarding DVD sales is my father.

He was in a Wal-Mart a couple of weeks ago and he finds a huge bin of DVD's stocked on top of each other. And there's a big sign that says $5.99. He starts looking through the bin and finds some John Wayne (huge fan) and other Westerns - and also finds the Elvis DVD "His Best Friend Remembers."

Guess what? He comes home with a brand new Sony DVD player and he bought about 5-7 DVD's. He has since purchased about 2-3 more and I just bought him 2 for Father's Day.

Rich

Sat Jun 21, 2003 4:13 pm

This BMG statement regarding Downloading and CD-R copying is a feeble effort to distract consumers from the real reasons for the declining sales of CD's....

The real reasons being:

A: Extortionately high prices for cd's.

B: Money grabbing A+R men...who seem to think that pre-teen schoolchidren make up 90% of the record buying public....they are also mistakenly assuming that they "THINK THEY KNOW" what we should all be listening to.... boy have they got that wrong.


I also think that blaming cd-r copying and downloading music as the reason the decline in cd sales...and threatening to use technology inside pc's to destroy your pc should you try to copy anything..is also another lame excuse for BIG BROTHER type manipulation by the big corporations......they dont want us to be able to copy "ANYTHING"

Just a thought!!

the squirrel

Sat Jun 21, 2003 4:23 pm

Although I believe that DVD sales have a huge impact on the low sales of CD, I also think the squirrel has nailed the other reasons for the decline in CD sales. :twisted:


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Sat Jun 21, 2003 4:26 pm

Hey squirrel how about changing your pic. I thought I was replying to the Doc. had to edit my post. LOL



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