The Wild,
Wild West
Andrew Hearn talks to Sonny West
Ever since I can remember, the name Sonny West has
been lodged up there in my brain filed right along side Elvis Presley. When I
was a kid I can remember being a little scared of Sonny, I thought that he had
a pretty evil look about him with those piercing eyes and tough image. For some
reason I had the impression that if I ever met Sonny... he’d kill me! Maybe
he’d just pick me up and throw me against the wall or he might just draw out
that Magnum 375 and tell me to beat it. When I was growing up, Sonny West was
the guy I wanted as a big brother, as a guy that would come down to the school
and scare the other kids in the playground half to death. I think it was the
press conference with Dave Hebler (seen in This Is Elvis) that painted
the picture of this cool, hairy dude that was always pretty angry.
Well, last summer I met Sonny, he didn’t kill me
(although a few of his jokes almost did) and he wasn’t angry. I’ve never been
so wrong about a person in my life in fact the hard-nut Sonny West I expected
turn out to be quite soft spoken, ultra-polite and very friendly. Now a born
again Christian, Sonny is still very devoted to his beautiful wife Judy (who he
married in 1970 with Elvis as best man) and a content family man. He lives a
clean life drinking diet Dr. Pepper and talking openly about those wild days
with Elvis.
Sonny and I are pretty now close friends talking often
on the phone and, as big John Wilkinson recently told me, his only crime was
that he loved Elvis too much. We sat and talked in great detail during my last
trip to Memphis in August 2000 and I’m honoured and thrilled to print that very
interview.
Could we
start by you telling us a little about how you first came to meet Elvis?
I first met Elvis in 1958 at the Rainbow skating rink
in Memphis, Tennessee but I had seen him before that when he came over to my
high school. I was in the tenth or eleventh grade and he came over the campus
there and sang a few of his songs. That’s Alright Mama and some of those
others songs the he had out on Sun records. They’d already been cut, the
records were out and he was down there promoting them. When I saw him I thought
‘man, this guy’s talented’ but that was the last time I saw him until 1957 or
’58 at the Tucson Rodeo grounds. He did a concert there and I went to see him.
What were
you doing for a job at that time?
I was in the airforce there at Tucson, then I got out
and found another job and met Elvis again in ’58 like I said. I had quite an
experience there with this girl named Melinda who was a very good skater. She
kept knocking me off because I couldn’t skate very well and Elvis noticed it. I
didn’t know until later but he told me he was watching and that he saw how I
took it. I didn’t get mad at the girl or anything, I just crawled over the to
side and rested. So, he said to Red, “look, I really like your cousin”.
So who
actually fixed the meeting up at the skating rink?
Red did. He
bought in my three sisters my brother-in-law and myself. We were introduced to
him but he knew two of my sisters already. In fact, Elvis had a big crush on
Caroline when she was at Humes High School. She was a cheerleader and a beauty
queen and all that. Elvis told me that he had the biggest crush on her but he
never could bring himself to go up and ask her out. So, we met him then, and in
1960 I saw him again, when he got out of the army. We worked out at karate a
little bit and then he asked if I would go to work for him. I gave notice at my
job and went out to California with him on the train.
Did you feel
nervous about working for Elvis Presley?
No, it was very relaxed.
What were
you initial duties?
A lot of it was just working out at karate. Red and I
had grown up on the streets and we could handle ourselves. I had good balance
and everything and he liked that. I would help with the cars or anything that
he needed. If he needed anything from the store I’d jump in the car and get it,
whatever he needed. The security wasn’t such a big thing when he was making the
pictures because there were security guards at the studio and on the gate and
you just couldn’t get in there.
So, when did
Elvis feel the need for bodyguards?
The real heavy security started when he started back
touring again and that wasn’t because of bad people but people unintentionally
hurting him.
There were a
few nasty incidences involving death threats and things?
Yeah, I think the first one happened in 1971 up there
in Las Vegas which was over the Nevada State line which is why the FBI came in.
It was very serious and they were very aware that it really could happen. There
are nuts up there quite capable of killing people. It got real heavy back then
but up until that time it was really taking care of the odd guy that wanted to
take a swing at him. But after that Manson thing happened we got serious and we
carried weapons. I got a legal right to carry a firearm, I got a permit to
carry a gun in Las Vegas, here in Memphis and I carried one in California too.
The only place I didn’t carry a gun was up in New York because nobody carried a
weapon there except policemen.
Even the Mayor in Los Angeles had a LAPD bodyguard
with him, I forget his last name. He was very quiet, very unassuming but very
capable. He went up to New York with the Mayor and was told to hand over his
weapon. He refused and they told him that if he didn’t, he wouldn’t be able to
enter the State.
Was Elvis
ever told about the death threats?
Well, he had to be told about them so he could be
aware at those times but he really knew all about that first one in Las Vegas.
He pulled Red, Jerry (Schilling) and myself aside and told us that if anything
happened, we had to get at him before the police got him. He wanted us to mess
him up real bad.
Did Elvis
have any input as to how his own security was arranged?
We had a thing one time in 1975 when we did that New
Years Eve show at the Pontiac Silverdome. There was a retarded type guy in town
that was always making death threats against people and the local police came
to me and told me about it. They said he’d never acted on any of his threats
but I told them that I’d feel a lot better if they could possibly take him into
custody. Elvis was going to fly in, do the show and then fly straight out again
so I asked if they could hold him for four or five hours and they agreed. They
arrested him an hour before Elvis arrived and they kept him there until we were
back on the plane.
I didn’t tell Red, I didn’t tell Elvis, I didn’t tell
anyone about it because it was handled. Well, a day or two later we were up at
the house, the guys and everyone, and there was a policeman there who had a
friend at the sheriff’s department in Pontiac. He said to Red that he’d heard
about the death threat Michigan and so Red asked me about it. I told him that
it was handled and the guy was in police custody during the show, the guy was
always doing it and I just didn’t want to take any chances. Elvis then said to
me, “Sonny, why the hell didn’t you tell me about that death threat?” and I had
to explain it all again. Elvis insisted that I still should’ve informed him about
the guy.
I thought that I didn’t really need to tell him
because there he was up there on a stage fifteen to twenty feet high, the
highest stage he’s ever been on, and he was very vulnerable. The band was on
another level and the orchestra was on the bottom stage so he was really up
there all by himself. I told Elvis that I was concerned about him that night
and that it wasn’t like Vegas were there were bodies all around and we were
close to him. We couldn’t have got to him quickly that night if we needed to so
I agreed to tell him everything after that.
Red and I talked about it and I told him what Elvis
had said. Red said, “I know I heard him. Sonny, if something like that comes
along and you’ve got it handled, just tell me and it’ll never go this far
again. If Elvis says anything tell him that we’ve talked about, we had it under
control and we didn’t want to worry him.” Red told me that he would back me up
if it ever happened again but it didn’t because the next year Red and I were
both fired.
There’s been a lot of speculation surrounding your
departure from the group. What really happened?
Well, we were trying to get him off of his
prescription medicine and we were threatening some of the other guys around
him. Some of the acts, the vocal groups, were getting stuff to him that they
were getting from doctors. We told them to stop it or we were going to hurt
them and turn the doctors in to the AMA informing them that Elvis wasn’t even a
patient of theirs, but medicine is getting to him. These guys were getting
medication in their names and then passing it on to Elvis.
Was Elvis
putting them up to that?
Yes, he’d buy them cars and stuff to keep it going.
So it ended
up getting nasty right?
We went in to speak to this one guy and Red went
through the door and the guy was hiding behind it and he broke his toe. The
bottom of the door went over his toe and he was in a lot of pain but Red told
him that if he needed to come back another time he was going to break more than
just his toe, you know? Well, it just dried up and Elvis noticed that it did.
One of the other guys finally told him why he wasn’t getting the pills, he told
him about us. He called a meeting with us, he had us come in so he could tell
us that he knew exactly what was going on and that he wanted us to stop it. He
told us that he was in control and that he knew what he was doing and that he
could stop whenever he wanted to.
Sounds like a person that’s in deep.
Exactly, he was a person that was in denial that
needed no help. Elvis told us to back off and Red said, “well, what about the
good old days when you didn’t need it?” and Elvis replied, “There are no more
good old days.” Right then I knew we were on a downward spin you know? Elvis
then said, “If you don’t back off your going to be looking for other jobs.” So
we didn’t hold back, we started to do more little things like emptying out drug
capsules when they came, we re-filled them with aspirin and stuff. Six months
later we were fired because we refused to stop.
How did
Elvis go about firing you after almost twenty years?
He told his father to give us just enough money to
live on for two or three months because eventually he was going to hire us back
but he had to show us he was still the boss. Linda Thompson was there and she
gave the figure of $5,000.00 but instead of doing that, Vernon gave us three
days notice, one week’s pay and told us he was cutting back on expenses. That
wasn’t it at all.
Elvis was getting pressure from different people in
the organisation saying that we were really going to mess things up and I think
that he had to have his stuff, he didn’t want us and so we left. We were very
hurt and so we talked about it and decided that the only way to get things done
was to give him a challenge... a challenge.
So the
challenge came in the form of a tell-all book?
We decided to write a book telling how he was hooked
on prescription medication and that he needed to get off them. Since then
people like Jerry Lee and Dean Martin come out and say they were all hooked. So
we put the feelers out for the book, got positive results and started signing
contacts. Now this is what a lot of people don’t know, we were offered money
not to do the book so we could’ve just walked away. We were told to name a
price by John O’Grady, Elvis’ private detective who worked for twenty-six years
investigating the use of Narcotics in LA. He called us at a hotel called The
Continental on Sunset Boulevard; we were with Steve Dunlevey (from America’s
Star Magazine) in his suite doing the interviews for the book. Steve told me
there was a call and I thought it was from my wife or something but it was
John. I took the call on the extension in the bedroom and after we said hello John
explained, “I’m calling about a certain party that I represent. I won’t name
any names, but I just want to tell you that I’ve been authorised by this
particular person to ask you guys to come up with a figure for not doing the
book.” I replied, “Come up with a figure? That’s not what it’s all about John.
We’ve signed contacts and we’ve already got advances.”
John O’Grady told me that I wasn’t hearing him right
saying that if we just got up and walked away we’d not need to worry about any
law suites, any money or anything. He just wanted us to come up with a figure.
I explained that there were three of us doing the book
and that we had a good reason for it. I had to talk with Red and Dave and he
agreed to call back in fifteen minutes.
I called Red and Dave into the bedroom and I told them
that the call was from John O’Grady and that he wanted us to come up with a
figure in turn for us not doing the book. They both looked at me and Red said,
“You’re kidding? Man, we know where that’s coming from.” I said that I knew
what my vote is and the other guys agreed.
This really blows the belief that you guys did the
book for money doesn’t it?
Exactly, we could’ve made easy money right there. If
we let him off then he would have always known that he could buy his way out of
anything. We could have probably got a quarter of a million a piece, or maybe
half a million, for giving up the book that day. We never even discussed a
figure or even talked about the offer after that.
Would you
say that the book came out far too late to make a difference?
It did and if only you knew the amount of people that
have come up to me saying, “God, if only you’d written that book a year
earlier.” and people have thanked us saying that we had Elvis as long as we did
because of you. A lot of fans got irate and mad about it back then but they’ve
read it again and it’s been many, many years since someone has said that they
don’t like our book. So many more actually approach me to say that they
understand why we did it.
It’s a very tame book compared to what’s been written
since. The Goldman book for instance.
That’s another story there with that Goldman book. I
mean, I was told when I was being interviewed for it that it was a really good
and in-depth study of Elvis but I wasn’t into all that. I just knew that he was
killing himself and that he was hurting the people around him, the people that
loved him. Albert Goldman came to my house and interviewed me twice for three
or four hours at a time. But I told him that if he asks me about something that
I don’t want to talk about then I wouldn’t. I warned him that I didn’t want to
be misquoted and I didn’t want anything taken out of context. He said that if
he prints what I say it’d be my exact answer and that was fair enough. He even
sent me an autographed book when it was finished but I didn’t read it, I just
put it away. Then I started hearing things and I said, “Now wait a minute.” I
went to that index page and found my name and I looked up those pages and sure
enough, there isn’t a single misquote or derogatory comment about Elvis that
came from me.
Anyway, I got Albert’s number from Lamar and I called
him and said, “Albert, I want to tell you something. I have to say that you
were fair to me about not taking what I said out of context but I think you
wrote one of the most horrible books about one of the most wonderful human
beings in this world. I don’t ever wish to see you or talk to you again.”
Do you think
Lamar made the wrong move in agreeing to be part of the Goldman book?
I think Lamar was pulled into it. Lamar initially
thought Goldman was going to do a really good book.
Tell me about your famous press conference seen in the
movie This Is Elvis.
On Good Morning America the morning after
Elvis’ death, Geraldo Rivera and Steve Dunlevey were talking on the programme
with Steve Hartman. I’m sitting there watching it and these two guys are
talking about Elvis as if they knew him but Dunlevey only knew what we’d told
him. Geraldo Rivera based his story on the fact that he’d met Elvis two or
three times. The guys are arguing on air and I’m getting so upset with these
people bickering back and forth and so I called our attorney to organise a
press conference for that afternoon. Red was away on location at the time so I
called Dave and he met me to do the conference where I had all that hair on This
Is Elvis. That’s where Dave said, “How do you protect a man from himself?”
which was a classic statement boy, that said it all. I called that news
conference and said some things about Dunlevey and Rivera because they had
talked about some kind of flirtation with drugs and they’d said we called him a
junkie. That word is not mentioned once in our book and that upset me.
I put the record straight and I said that it should
have been us there on Good Morning America instead. As a result, World
News cancelled the tour we were about to do to promote the book. It was
over two years later when I started to really promote the book.
Do you still
talk with Dave Hebler?
Oh yeah, he’s still doing seminars on karate and
everything. We did some shows together in May last year.
Dave can
handle himself can’t he?
You bet. He’s a seventh degree black belt and I kidded
him during the show saying that I’d get him to go on stage and tell everyone
what Elvis used to get him to do. We’d be out on the floor talking to the local
policeman and sometimes Elvis would come out and visit with them. Elvis used to
have me do my fast draw and no one ever could beat me. Cops kept going up
against me, private detectives, regular cops, and I’d have my gun out pointing
at them before they even had theirs cleared.
By the same token, Dave had this thirteen strike move
that he did (also seen on This Is Elvis) so at Carson City I said,
“Dave, we need to tell them about those thirteen moves, those strikes that you
do in about a second and a half on someone.” And he said, “Sonny, we need to
cut that down to about six or seven.” but he’s still very fast.
Dave had a lot to do with Elvis’ interest in karate
back then. Elvis saw Dave in Vale, Colorado on his forty-first birthday in
January 1976 just after we’d returned from that thing in Pontiac that I told
you about earlier. Elvis had files, what they call wrap sheets, on these guys
from Mexico and Los Angeles who tried to get on stage in Vegas and got kicked
off. He wanted all of them ‘done in’ man, he wanted every one of those guys
looked up and killed.
Was this the
drugs talking?
Of course, that’s what I mean. He said and did things
that just wouldn’t have happened if he hadn’t been under the influence of some
sort of medication and it just broke my heart. I used to go on ahead with
Colonel Parker to set up security and I’d meet him at the hotel, we’d go up the
elevator to the suite. We always had at least half the floor or sometimes the
whole floor. If there was about 30 rooms to a floor, we’d take at least
eighteen or nineteen of them. It was in College Park, Maryland when the
limousine pulled up and I reached in to pull Elvis out like this (Sonny shows
me a kind of a thumb lock grip). He got out and his hair was all messed up, his
eyes were glazed and he was all thick tongued. “Hey Sonny how you doin’ man?”
he slurred. I had never seen him that bad I mean, his hair always looked good
and everything but he was in real bad shape. I usually introduced him to all
the cops that were going to help us with security by their names individually
but that day I just said, “These are the guys looking after us.” And he just
said a quick hello and we quickly got him inside.
I went back out and immediately called Red and four or
five of the other guys, I think Grob and Schilling were there, and I called a
meeting. I wanted to know what had happened as Elvis just wasn’t right. I told
the guys they we need to say a prayer, as he just did not look good. We circled
and I asked the Lord to look after him that day and I’ll never forget
that.
Did he ever
try and cover up the mess he got into?
For a long time he never let it effect his performance
but towards the end it started to. He’d say, “Oh, I just got up, I’m a little
groggy” but that wasn’t Elvis. He had such a great sense of humour. There
wasn’t anyone funnier than him when he was right.
When was the
last time you went up to the house?
I went in the house for the first time in 1983. I
called Jack Soden and asked if I could take a couple of friends up to
Graceland, no special tour or anything, and he said it was fine. I went up
there and it was kind of rough on me. I went through the front door and looked
at the dining room. I stood and thought about the amount of times I’d walked
through there. I was able to hang on emotionally because there were people
around but I didn’t go back up there again until two years ago. I was doing
some stuff across the street and I saw the line building for the tour and I
said to some friends of mine, “come on guys, I’m gonna try to go up there” and
so they got with me. We got up there with the crowds and got in line with
everyone else and I walked across the front of the house and I got to where it
was two or three people deep. I wasn’t looking where I was going but all of a
sudden I turned and all I could see was Elvis’ grave. I looked at it for a
second and got goose bumps. I turned to the guys and said, “I gotta get out of
here” and I left.
As I was leaving a lady came up and asked if I was
Sonny West. I told her that I was and she said, “I want to thank you so much
because I really feel that we had him as long as we did because of you and
Red.” That touched me boy and I got a little teary eyed.
What’s the
strangest thing a fan has ever approached you about?
Well that same woman introduced me to a young man from
Mexico, maybe twenty, twenty-one years old, he didn’t speak English real well.
He asked me why Elvis didn’t like Mexican people because he’d heard that Elvis
said such bad things. I told him it was all lies and that Elvis loved Mexicans.
This guy told me that Elvis was supposed to have said they were greasy haired
people. I told him to remember that Elvis was the one who put stuff in his hair
to make it greasy and he even died it black too. There were many reports about
things Elvis was supposed to have said that he never did in fact he was upset
that he wasn’t allowed to go into Mexico because of riots.
On the set of Fun In Acapulco, Elvis got upset
with the director because he got onto a couple of the actors because they spoke
broken English. He yelled, “Jesus Christ, can’t you get the lines right?” Elvis
took him aside and said, “Sir, those people were hired by the producer, he knew
how they spoke and he knew their language but he wanted them and they’re doing
the best they can. Rehearse with them more or whatever but please don’t be
doing that. I don’t like you doing that to them” and he stopped it.
He did the same with the director of Easy Come,
Easy Go. Elvis and Pat Harrington got along really great and they were
doing an interior scene on a boat and something had happened, a joke or
something, and we were all dying laughing about it. We did about three or four
takes and we all kept cracking up each time and all of a sudden the director
said, “Okay, that’s it. All you guys get off the set” and Elvis said, “Can I
see you a minute sir?” He took him aside and told him, “I do these pictures
because I have fun doing them. Part of that fun is being with my guys and my
friends just having a nice time. If that goes then I go and I won’t work on the
picture.”
The director apologised and said that he didn’t mean
to upset Elvis to which he replied, “I’m not upset, it’s just that my guys are
my guys.” Elvis went back and talked to Pat for a minute and they did the scene
in just one take.
This same director offered me a bit part, just a line
or two, where I have a fight with Elvis in Roustabout. Firstly, I was
apparently too much of an Elvis type and the director wanted more of a contrast
for the fight scene so they gave it to this other guy called Glen Wilder who
was a former football player training to be a movie stuntman. If you see Roustabout
he’s with the real rich guy Toby who throws a punch and Elvis kicks him in the
stomach. Guess what this guy does? I’ve done that shot with Elvis many times
and you just drop flat because when he gets you you’re out. You don’t go into a
flip but this guy decides to do just that and Elvis didn’t know it. As he went
over his heel caught Elvis just by his eye and they had to write it into the
script that he had a motorcycle smash and cut his eye.
Anyway, you can hear the pop on the soundtrack where
his heel hits him, pow! Elvis just turns and looks at him with blood flowing
down his head and he was just going to go right on with the scene. The guy who
hit him was supposed to say something to Elvis but he couldn’t get his line out
and so the scene was cut. He said, “The way Elvis was looking at me I was ready
to get the hell outta there.” He knew Elvis wasn’t pleased.
Did Elvis
have any choice regarding who he worked with, whether it be co-stars or
directors?
No, Elvis never picked his director that was up to
people like Hal Wallis. It was the same with the leading ladies, they just knew
who would work well with Elvis. There were one or two ladies, I don’t really
want to name names, who weren’t what you’d really call beautiful actresses.
Elvis didn’t have an affair with all of his female co-stars either. Like him
and Shelley Fabares never dated, she married Lou Adler, the record producer.
Those two made three or four pictures together and they had a good chemistry
like Fred Astare and Ginger Rogers. They had a lot of fun together and she was
another of our favourites. She was a very sweet person...
At this point Sonny and I both realised that we
only had a few minutes to get down town to the Orpheum Theatre for the world
premier of Elvis: That’s The Way It Is. We made a run for it, Sonny in
his car and me with Marty Lacker. We made it on time and of course, enjoyed the
movie.